An indoor TV antenna for €0?
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Hello,
Instead of asking a question, I have a tip for you on how to make a TNT antenna for free.
First, get a TV cable (either TV or satellite, it doesn’t matter, the important thing is to have a rigid central wire) and plan for a 3-meter cable to have some slack to move and direct it as you wish.
At the end that is not connected to your decoder/PC card, strip the cable for a length of 12.5 cm / about 13 cm, no more.
Then, conduct directional tests to find the position and tilt of the central wire in order to receive the best signal/power rate.
(For me, I can catch TNT channels with a signal quality of 100 for a signal strength of 30)
(With a slightly longer cable but keeping the stripping length, you can make an outdoor antenna if your walls or partitions are a problem.)
That's the tip that cost me nothing, and it avoids investing in expensive antennas.
Instead of asking a question, I have a tip for you on how to make a TNT antenna for free.
First, get a TV cable (either TV or satellite, it doesn’t matter, the important thing is to have a rigid central wire) and plan for a 3-meter cable to have some slack to move and direct it as you wish.
At the end that is not connected to your decoder/PC card, strip the cable for a length of 12.5 cm / about 13 cm, no more.
Then, conduct directional tests to find the position and tilt of the central wire in order to receive the best signal/power rate.
(For me, I can catch TNT channels with a signal quality of 100 for a signal strength of 30)
(With a slightly longer cable but keeping the stripping length, you can make an outdoor antenna if your walls or partitions are a problem.)
That's the tip that cost me nothing, and it avoids investing in expensive antennas.
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I am a former teacher-researcher in electronics, specifically in high-frequency waves, and I am a bit surprised that the trick works 99% of the time. I do not doubt the very positive testimonies. In fact, I will try it at home!
A piece of stripped wire is a "dipole" in technical terms and it is not directive at all. It seems to capture well nonetheless because we have the option to angle the stripped end to place it in the most favorable reception area, in the electromagnetic field where the signal can be 5 to 10 times greater than the normal field.
Isn't there a risk that inside a room the reception depends on the movement of people? Have you noticed such a phenomenon? The main problem with adjusting a YAGI antenna or others is that our body is mostly water, and it influences the wave field. Ideally, we would adjust the orientation from a distance: not easy? Especially do not position yourself between the transmitter and its antenna for the adjustment.
I will make sure to give you the results of my experiment.
As for antenna amplifiers, they need to be placed as close as possible to the antenna, which is not easy for a rooftop antenna. If the signal is too weak, they will work very poorly (noise). It is better to optimize the antenna and only as a last resort put an amplifier.
Papiroro
A piece of stripped wire is a "dipole" in technical terms and it is not directive at all. It seems to capture well nonetheless because we have the option to angle the stripped end to place it in the most favorable reception area, in the electromagnetic field where the signal can be 5 to 10 times greater than the normal field.
Isn't there a risk that inside a room the reception depends on the movement of people? Have you noticed such a phenomenon? The main problem with adjusting a YAGI antenna or others is that our body is mostly water, and it influences the wave field. Ideally, we would adjust the orientation from a distance: not easy? Especially do not position yourself between the transmitter and its antenna for the adjustment.
I will make sure to give you the results of my experiment.
As for antenna amplifiers, they need to be placed as close as possible to the antenna, which is not easy for a rooftop antenna. If the signal is too weak, they will work very poorly (noise). It is better to optimize the antenna and only as a last resort put an amplifier.
Papiroro
Here is your requested photo
you don't have to use an F connector, if you directly solder the copper wire onto the coaxial cable, one side on the braid and the other on the core
http://images.imagehotel.net/?pfr01dspsw.jpg
The home-made antenna, designed for DTT, is shown operational for receiving the usual horizontal polarization
you don't have to use an F connector, if you directly solder the copper wire onto the coaxial cable, one side on the braid and the other on the core
http://images.imagehotel.net/?pfr01dspsw.jpg
The home-made antenna, designed for DTT, is shown operational for receiving the usual horizontal polarization
So many misconceptions about indoor antennas and fanciful information read...
See the technical file on marketed indoor antennas
https://www.jechange.fr/telecom/internet
To build a basic indoor UHF mono-quad antenna for €0, the recipe has been known for a long time by all technicians, radio amateurs, and DIY enthusiasts; it simply involves stripping a regular coaxial cable (Vatc or Vatc 17 or 19) to a length of about 45 cm (average wavelength around 650 MHz), separating the core from the braid, and then connecting the two ends to create a frame made up of 4 identical sides of 11 cm. (= 1/4 wavelength) To hold the quadrilateral in position, with the coaxial cable heading down for the usual H polarization, secure it to a support, like cardboard, etc...
The plane of the frame antenna must be perpendicular to the axis of the signals. If the cable extends laterally, the selected polarization is Vertical, rare in France (used by the Belgians and the Swiss). Although basic, this bidirectional antenna, trimmed, resonates in the UHF band (DTT) and already has the properties of a real antenna since its theoretical gain is 2 dBi (at least zero dB) and directives on the sides.
Some homemade antennas made with a hanger or a fork...!! often have no gain, or even negative gain (= attenuation) and no antenna properties, omnidirectional in all planes, like a light bulb...
To improve performance, it can be followed by a low-noise antenna preamplifier, < 2 dB, a gain of 15 to 20 dB is sufficient, 36 or 42 dB is useless... except to sell...
See also Wikipedia...
See the technical file on marketed indoor antennas
https://www.jechange.fr/telecom/internet
To build a basic indoor UHF mono-quad antenna for €0, the recipe has been known for a long time by all technicians, radio amateurs, and DIY enthusiasts; it simply involves stripping a regular coaxial cable (Vatc or Vatc 17 or 19) to a length of about 45 cm (average wavelength around 650 MHz), separating the core from the braid, and then connecting the two ends to create a frame made up of 4 identical sides of 11 cm. (= 1/4 wavelength) To hold the quadrilateral in position, with the coaxial cable heading down for the usual H polarization, secure it to a support, like cardboard, etc...
The plane of the frame antenna must be perpendicular to the axis of the signals. If the cable extends laterally, the selected polarization is Vertical, rare in France (used by the Belgians and the Swiss). Although basic, this bidirectional antenna, trimmed, resonates in the UHF band (DTT) and already has the properties of a real antenna since its theoretical gain is 2 dBi (at least zero dB) and directives on the sides.
Some homemade antennas made with a hanger or a fork...!! often have no gain, or even negative gain (= attenuation) and no antenna properties, omnidirectional in all planes, like a light bulb...
To improve performance, it can be followed by a low-noise antenna preamplifier, < 2 dB, a gain of 15 to 20 dB is sufficient, 36 or 42 dB is useless... except to sell...
See also Wikipedia...
Dear Gil
We've just reinvented the diode.
When I was a kid, a long time ago, I used to make galena radios that I sold to my friends. But the galena with its glass tube and the little point that had to touch the galena.
The antenna was connected to the neutral of the 110v mains at the time.
I admit I used to steal the little neon lamps from the push buttons in the hallways to incorporate them into the receiver to determine the neutral from the phase to avoid that inevitable electric shock.
Then the germanium diodes OA75 came out, which replaced the galena.
I know nobody is interested, but it felt good to talk about it.
Best wishes, Gil, and thank you for sharing this little moment of nostalgia with me.
We've just reinvented the diode.
When I was a kid, a long time ago, I used to make galena radios that I sold to my friends. But the galena with its glass tube and the little point that had to touch the galena.
The antenna was connected to the neutral of the 110v mains at the time.
I admit I used to steal the little neon lamps from the push buttons in the hallways to incorporate them into the receiver to determine the neutral from the phase to avoid that inevitable electric shock.
Then the germanium diodes OA75 came out, which replaced the galena.
I know nobody is interested, but it felt good to talk about it.
Best wishes, Gil, and thank you for sharing this little moment of nostalgia with me.
Hello to all the nostalgic ones,
I too have experienced the small piece of galena, the Pericone assemblies at Perlor-Radio, for self-taught individuals the rich collection of Eugène Aisberg... and tutti quanti... It was a wonderful time when anyone, even a novice, could engage in perfectible assemblies: the 2X25W Acer stereo amplifier to build yourself from Cibot (oops, the unbalanced 3055s), among others. That era is over.
I have evidence of this, having recently moved to Mutzig, none of those who claim to be knowledgeable in the field of TNT transmission/reception, nor even the slightest local geek, could give me a reliable answer regarding the geographical coordinates and the characteristics concerning the local TNT transmitters to which I need to point my dipole before deciding on any construction of this same dipole with little investment in €uros. For those who know Mutzig, I live on the west side in higher ground (above the former brewery), 500 meters as the crow flies from Gresswiller and below the gigantic antennas of the transmission regiment that overlook the town, with an unobstructed view to the south on my part.
So if someone could inform me about the position of the transmitters and their respective channels, I would be infinitely grateful.
I too have experienced the small piece of galena, the Pericone assemblies at Perlor-Radio, for self-taught individuals the rich collection of Eugène Aisberg... and tutti quanti... It was a wonderful time when anyone, even a novice, could engage in perfectible assemblies: the 2X25W Acer stereo amplifier to build yourself from Cibot (oops, the unbalanced 3055s), among others. That era is over.
I have evidence of this, having recently moved to Mutzig, none of those who claim to be knowledgeable in the field of TNT transmission/reception, nor even the slightest local geek, could give me a reliable answer regarding the geographical coordinates and the characteristics concerning the local TNT transmitters to which I need to point my dipole before deciding on any construction of this same dipole with little investment in €uros. For those who know Mutzig, I live on the west side in higher ground (above the former brewery), 500 meters as the crow flies from Gresswiller and below the gigantic antennas of the transmission regiment that overlook the town, with an unobstructed view to the south on my part.
So if someone could inform me about the position of the transmitters and their respective channels, I would be infinitely grateful.
Hi,
I couldn't believe your antenna was for 0 euros, but after a few tests, it worked perfectly with optimal reception. Thanks for the info!
I couldn't believe your antenna was for 0 euros, but after a few tests, it worked perfectly with optimal reception. Thanks for the info!
There is still this realization diagram with mini/maxi dimensions for making a biquad antenna for TNT:
http://images.imagehotel.net/?uqzs4z8grr.jpg
http://images.imagehotel.net/?uqzs4z8grr.jpg
It all depends on where you are geographically and what the initial signal is like. If you are in a large city or a place with a relay antenna nearby, a good clear view, and not too much interference, then even a simple fork or small crustacean fork will suffice.
But as soon as you are not next to a relay antenna, poorly exposed, full of interference... then even the best indoor antenna with a gain of 50dB, which is also amplified by another identical indoor antenna, will do nothing, especially for TNT.
So it may work for you because you are in a good area, but it doesn't work everywhere.
But as soon as you are not next to a relay antenna, poorly exposed, full of interference... then even the best indoor antenna with a gain of 50dB, which is also amplified by another identical indoor antenna, will do nothing, especially for TNT.
So it may work for you because you are in a good area, but it doesn't work everywhere.
You need to be more precise ....
your message suggests that you have an analog satellite dish with an analog decoder; if you input the signal into a digital terrestrial television decoder, I doubt anything interesting will happen
Close to a DTT transmitter, a simple cable is enough; further away, it’s trickier ....
your message suggests that you have an analog satellite dish with an analog decoder; if you input the signal into a digital terrestrial television decoder, I doubt anything interesting will happen
Close to a DTT transmitter, a simple cable is enough; further away, it’s trickier ....
This antenna works very well! But it can be greatly improved when the overall length (cable + exposed wire) is a multiple of the average wavelength. 12.5 cm being a very respectable golden number, we get 25 cm, 50 cm, 1 m, 2 m, 4 m, etc. This significantly improves the whole setup and avoids certain unexpected dropouts.
I'm in front of the Eiffel Tower and I have the FNAC HD TNT recorder, but my indoor cable - which I use as an antenna because the wall socket only transmits the cable in analog - gives variable quality rates, especially on FR3 and NT1. I've tried your solution and so far it's perfect!!!
Thank you very much
Thank you very much
Many years ago, I lived in Meudon, in the 92 area. There was no wall antenna socket where I was in the apartment; even without the slightest antenna or fork, I managed to receive part of the signal from channels like TF1 and Canal+. With just a simple fork, I had magnificent quality from the TV channels, yes, just a simple pastry fork! No need for an antenna or any tinkering, the fork was more than enough.
I've moved quite a bit, and now, for example, if I want to receive terrestrial signals, whether analog or digital, I can't do it, despite trying two of the most powerful indoor antennas; I can't even get the slightest signal.
So, all this to say that it's totally random; it all depends on where you are (in a big city and/or with an unobstructed signal without big walls). If the path that the signal from the channels has many obstacles, it will be more than difficult, even impossible.
So honestly, the technique proposed above makes me laugh. If you are in a very well-exposed place without obstacles, it will work!
I've moved quite a bit, and now, for example, if I want to receive terrestrial signals, whether analog or digital, I can't do it, despite trying two of the most powerful indoor antennas; I can't even get the slightest signal.
So, all this to say that it's totally random; it all depends on where you are (in a big city and/or with an unobstructed signal without big walls). If the path that the signal from the channels has many obstacles, it will be more than difficult, even impossible.
So honestly, the technique proposed above makes me laugh. If you are in a very well-exposed place without obstacles, it will work!
You shouldn't mix everything up!
An indoor antenna, for example, will have a diameter of around 10-30 cm and its range will depend on its orientation, just like a satellite dish. If misaligned, there's either no signal or a very poor one.
With the "cable system," it's no longer a circular field but a length of field proportional to the length. In fact, instead of being a field, let's say, of a dish focused on a point (the transmitter/repeater), it will be a few centimeters around the cable multiplied by its length. So, if the cable is, let's say, 2 meters long, there will be a possibility of reception of 2 meters. However, the quality of reception won't necessarily be great, far from it, because there's no signal amplification. And instead of having an antenna pointing at a point, it'll be an imprecise field. Therefore, if with an antenna you don't have a very good image because the indoor antenna was close to all the audio/video equipment, you also have the thickness of the walls and electrical cables in the walls + since the antenna is often near other equipment, that ends up causing interference, to say the least.
Try completely moving the antenna away from the hi-fi/video corner to avoid any interference and you might find a spot that gives you a signal. As for your current cable, maybe you've hit a joint of two plasterboard or concrete blocks, etc., and therefore, the signal comes through better.
But I confirm that the cable isn't good everywhere, far from it.
It's a matter of luck, and that's it. It's great if it works at your place, but it doesn't work everywhere or as we want.
An indoor antenna, for example, will have a diameter of around 10-30 cm and its range will depend on its orientation, just like a satellite dish. If misaligned, there's either no signal or a very poor one.
With the "cable system," it's no longer a circular field but a length of field proportional to the length. In fact, instead of being a field, let's say, of a dish focused on a point (the transmitter/repeater), it will be a few centimeters around the cable multiplied by its length. So, if the cable is, let's say, 2 meters long, there will be a possibility of reception of 2 meters. However, the quality of reception won't necessarily be great, far from it, because there's no signal amplification. And instead of having an antenna pointing at a point, it'll be an imprecise field. Therefore, if with an antenna you don't have a very good image because the indoor antenna was close to all the audio/video equipment, you also have the thickness of the walls and electrical cables in the walls + since the antenna is often near other equipment, that ends up causing interference, to say the least.
Try completely moving the antenna away from the hi-fi/video corner to avoid any interference and you might find a spot that gives you a signal. As for your current cable, maybe you've hit a joint of two plasterboard or concrete blocks, etc., and therefore, the signal comes through better.
But I confirm that the cable isn't good everywhere, far from it.
It's a matter of luck, and that's it. It's great if it works at your place, but it doesn't work everywhere or as we want.
Hello,
A great tip to receive TNT HD in the Lille area in a collective building connected to Numericable...
I found the solution for 0 euros...
I am a Numericable subscriber and I have a Sony television with an MPEG4 HD TNT tuner. I thought I could receive TNT HD today, but nothing despite a new channel search.
The problem is that the channel search on the digital channel can only be done via the cable (when selecting antenna search, it does not detect any channels, Numericable disconnected it).
You just need to connect a basic indoor antenna (I retrieved mine from a small cathode television over 10 years old: it’s simply a connection and two metal antennas) and plug it into the back of the television.
I then did a new channel search via the antenna and magic.... over 30 channels detected and finally I can enjoy TF1, FR2, Arte, and M6 in HD.
Here’s a little jab at Numericable, which forces its customers to equip themselves with an HD box to decode their DVB-C signal. It’s a shame, especially since in June 2008, after acquiring my television, I was able to enjoy several HD channels, including the Euro in full on TF1 HD to my great pleasure (when the channel search was done via cable and not the antenna).
And, from one day to the next, nothing "channels not set," so it's clear that Numericable is fully capable of broadcasting the signal in DVB-T without any additional equipment costing 10 euros a month.........
The technical service doesn’t want to understand and explains to you that it’s not possible and that you absolutely need to equip yourself with the HD cable box. It’s theft...
Moreover, this solution allows you to have better picture quality without losing subscriber channels since the decoder is connected to the AV port.
I hope this will be useful to many of you.
A great tip to receive TNT HD in the Lille area in a collective building connected to Numericable...
I found the solution for 0 euros...
I am a Numericable subscriber and I have a Sony television with an MPEG4 HD TNT tuner. I thought I could receive TNT HD today, but nothing despite a new channel search.
The problem is that the channel search on the digital channel can only be done via the cable (when selecting antenna search, it does not detect any channels, Numericable disconnected it).
You just need to connect a basic indoor antenna (I retrieved mine from a small cathode television over 10 years old: it’s simply a connection and two metal antennas) and plug it into the back of the television.
I then did a new channel search via the antenna and magic.... over 30 channels detected and finally I can enjoy TF1, FR2, Arte, and M6 in HD.
Here’s a little jab at Numericable, which forces its customers to equip themselves with an HD box to decode their DVB-C signal. It’s a shame, especially since in June 2008, after acquiring my television, I was able to enjoy several HD channels, including the Euro in full on TF1 HD to my great pleasure (when the channel search was done via cable and not the antenna).
And, from one day to the next, nothing "channels not set," so it's clear that Numericable is fully capable of broadcasting the signal in DVB-T without any additional equipment costing 10 euros a month.........
The technical service doesn’t want to understand and explains to you that it’s not possible and that you absolutely need to equip yourself with the HD cable box. It’s theft...
Moreover, this solution allows you to have better picture quality without losing subscriber channels since the decoder is connected to the AV port.
I hope this will be useful to many of you.
Numericable, like any cable operator, uses the signal from an outdoor antenna to transmit its signal, which is different from the "classic" terrestrial signal. To receive this Numericable signal, you must be a subscriber. Now, as soon as you are subscribed to Numericable (or another cable service), you are not obligated to use the boxes they offer/recommend in order to access the channels. You can very well purchase a special cable decoder, just as you can receive terrestrial channels on a television without being connected to the TV output. However, you won't have all the channels from all the packages, just a few channels like TF1, M6, Arte, Paris Première, Eurosport...
But since cable networks are different from the classic terrestrial network, the signals are different as well, so they are not on the same channel numbers, and you can easily receive all the signals.
It's not a question of Numericable or any other provider.
Now, regarding your story about the antenna from an old TV, I repeat once again: even though some people are convinced that a cable is much better than an amplified indoor antenna or one on the roof, it all depends on where you are located, how the field is between the transmitter/repeater and where you want to watch TV; it greatly depends on the quality of the equipment and the interference.
Be aware that a device connected to the power supply, even in standby mode, will cause interference. Multiply this by the number of devices that are on and in standby, and you will have significant interference. For your information, it's no coincidence that weather station-style devices with the "radio control" function (which allows, for example, to set the time automatically) do not work next to hi-fi/video equipment but rather on the other side of the room where there is nothing.
So, depending on where you might be, how you position the antenna or cable, the quality of the cables, the settings on the TV products... if you end up at a junction of two drywall or concrete blocks, or at the end of an electrical line or next to a window..., you will have a better chance of receiving a signal, sometimes perfectly, than if you are behind 5-meter thick walls, with no windows, surrounded by electrical devices and poorly oriented.
Therefore, we need to stop saying that cable is wonderful compared to an antenna that you might have paid 100 euros for, which will do nothing. Give it a better, longer antenna cable, orient the antenna correctly, and it will have just as much effect as the cable alone, if not better.
But since cable networks are different from the classic terrestrial network, the signals are different as well, so they are not on the same channel numbers, and you can easily receive all the signals.
It's not a question of Numericable or any other provider.
Now, regarding your story about the antenna from an old TV, I repeat once again: even though some people are convinced that a cable is much better than an amplified indoor antenna or one on the roof, it all depends on where you are located, how the field is between the transmitter/repeater and where you want to watch TV; it greatly depends on the quality of the equipment and the interference.
Be aware that a device connected to the power supply, even in standby mode, will cause interference. Multiply this by the number of devices that are on and in standby, and you will have significant interference. For your information, it's no coincidence that weather station-style devices with the "radio control" function (which allows, for example, to set the time automatically) do not work next to hi-fi/video equipment but rather on the other side of the room where there is nothing.
So, depending on where you might be, how you position the antenna or cable, the quality of the cables, the settings on the TV products... if you end up at a junction of two drywall or concrete blocks, or at the end of an electrical line or next to a window..., you will have a better chance of receiving a signal, sometimes perfectly, than if you are behind 5-meter thick walls, with no windows, surrounded by electrical devices and poorly oriented.
Therefore, we need to stop saying that cable is wonderful compared to an antenna that you might have paid 100 euros for, which will do nothing. Give it a better, longer antenna cable, orient the antenna correctly, and it will have just as much effect as the cable alone, if not better.
A big thank you to roomsty, we tried your tip and it's great, we have an even prettier image than with the Neuf box. Yes, we have the TV with the Neuf box and we learned from a SFR technician that watching TV took up megabytes, thus lowering the speed on the computer. We have the TNT integrated in the TV and now we have the channels via TNT. Thanks again for your tip, which really works!!!! Well done!!!!
For your information, we are in Lorraine.
For your information, we are in Lorraine.
Great for me in Dijon. I think the DTT will become unique in 2011, so I will switch this "home" antenna to the splitter when the time comes.
Honestly, a free DTT antenna is awesome!!!!
Honestly, a free DTT antenna is awesome!!!!
Yes, when I lived in the Paris region, close to the relay and without disturbances, a simple fork or crustacean pick was enough for perfect reception. A cable gave me too much power, so it was ugly. But later, if you find yourself in a place with physical or electrical disturbances, it won't work because the antenna needs to be well oriented and amplified. (Even putting a finger on the plug allowed for perfect reception!)
At my home, where I am now, despite being the son of an electrician, I can't receive a single TV channel unless I go through ADSL. It's the same for radio, where I had to buy an Ethernet radio, and it's the same for any mobile phone. This shows that I receive absolutely nothing, no matter how many amplified antennas I set up one behind the other, how many thick coaxial cables I use for the antenna connected to an antenna amplifier or directly connected, nothing works. Even the antenna that the landlord installed on the roof is ineffective for receiving anything... and I live in the center of a big city, but it's all physical and electrical disturbances, so nada.
In short, this technique works but ONLY in certain cases. And let's not spread nonsense (I'm not talking about you) by saying it's the cheapest and best method for every situation.
At my home, where I am now, despite being the son of an electrician, I can't receive a single TV channel unless I go through ADSL. It's the same for radio, where I had to buy an Ethernet radio, and it's the same for any mobile phone. This shows that I receive absolutely nothing, no matter how many amplified antennas I set up one behind the other, how many thick coaxial cables I use for the antenna connected to an antenna amplifier or directly connected, nothing works. Even the antenna that the landlord installed on the roof is ineffective for receiving anything... and I live in the center of a big city, but it's all physical and electrical disturbances, so nada.
In short, this technique works but ONLY in certain cases. And let's not spread nonsense (I'm not talking about you) by saying it's the cheapest and best method for every situation.
I wrapped 25 cm of this "central" stripped wire around an old radio "stick" antenna and I placed a square of aluminum foil measuring 30 cm on each side by wrapping the antenna diagonally in the aluminum square. I slipped it behind my furniture and connected the other end to my digital TV; it's invisible and very effective.
hello from Artigues de Lussac, near St Emilion, 33
I tried your "trick" without really believing it, because at my place, in addition to a thick forest of giant fir trees, it's very hilly! Well, as incredible as it may seem, it wooooorks!! Except for M6, W9.... I was told it's because they are on the same frequency... hence the total blackout for those channels! Reception is perfect.
I tried your "trick" without really believing it, because at my place, in addition to a thick forest of giant fir trees, it's very hilly! Well, as incredible as it may seem, it wooooorks!! Except for M6, W9.... I was told it's because they are on the same frequency... hence the total blackout for those channels! Reception is perfect.
Hello
I’m really happy for you because unfortunately for the others, your internal antenna which cost you nothing wouldn’t work for me. Here, with a "pro" installation costing €250, I don’t get all the channels every day, the multiplexes come and go and there’s nothing to do because there are "conflicts" between two transmitters located in the same direction. I’m being kindly told to wait until 2011 when the analog signal disappears to make way for digital, which can then thrive.
Lucky you!
Happy New Year anyway.
I’m really happy for you because unfortunately for the others, your internal antenna which cost you nothing wouldn’t work for me. Here, with a "pro" installation costing €250, I don’t get all the channels every day, the multiplexes come and go and there’s nothing to do because there are "conflicts" between two transmitters located in the same direction. I’m being kindly told to wait until 2011 when the analog signal disappears to make way for digital, which can then thrive.
Lucky you!
Happy New Year anyway.
A big thank you to roomsty, we tried your tip and it’s great, we have an even nicer image than with the neuf box, yes we have TV with the neuf box and we learned from an SFR technician that watching TV used up megabytes, so low speed on the computer, we have the integrated TNT in the TV and there you go, today we have the TNT channels, thanks again for your tip, which really works!!!! Well done!!!!
For your information, we are in Lorraine.
For your information, we are in Lorraine.
Hello,
I tried this system and it works really well. It's surprising. I receive all the unencrypted channels perfectly. I should mention that I am four or five kilometers away from the transmitter and there are no obstacles between it and the house.
I tried this system and it works really well. It's surprising. I receive all the unencrypted channels perfectly. I should mention that I am four or five kilometers away from the transmitter and there are no obstacles between it and the house.
The list of false arguments used by salespeople is long.
The fact that antennas are labeled "TNT compatible" suggests that one would need to change antennas to switch to TNT. However, if the old installation covers the same channels and is oriented in the right direction, there is no reason to change antennas.
This statement should be moderated, as new generation equipment is generally less sensitive.
Regarding the manufacture of an antenna, I have come to the following conclusion:
An antenna is 20% electronics and 80% mechanics. What I mean is that commercial antennas are based on well-known radioelectrical principles, and the difficulty lies in designing an antenna that can withstand wind and weather, and whose electrically active parts will retain their characteristics over time.
In conclusion, a bit of wire indoors can work if the signal strength is off the charts, but if we install this makeshift solution outdoors, we should expect to replace it regularly.
If we want to create an outdoor antenna, we need to invest time and purchase materials (copper, aluminum, PVC, silicone sealant). In short, it never costs €0.
The fact that antennas are labeled "TNT compatible" suggests that one would need to change antennas to switch to TNT. However, if the old installation covers the same channels and is oriented in the right direction, there is no reason to change antennas.
This statement should be moderated, as new generation equipment is generally less sensitive.
Regarding the manufacture of an antenna, I have come to the following conclusion:
An antenna is 20% electronics and 80% mechanics. What I mean is that commercial antennas are based on well-known radioelectrical principles, and the difficulty lies in designing an antenna that can withstand wind and weather, and whose electrically active parts will retain their characteristics over time.
In conclusion, a bit of wire indoors can work if the signal strength is off the charts, but if we install this makeshift solution outdoors, we should expect to replace it regularly.
If we want to create an outdoor antenna, we need to invest time and purchase materials (copper, aluminum, PVC, silicone sealant). In short, it never costs €0.
many inaccuracies...
- an antenna that previously provided satisfaction in analog may no longer be suitable in digital due to several reasons that have been explained multiple times..
- new equipment is generally more sensitive
- in digital, a weak signal, less powerful than in analog, can provide a usable image..
- an antenna that previously provided satisfaction in analog may no longer be suitable in digital due to several reasons that have been explained multiple times..
- new equipment is generally more sensitive
- in digital, a weak signal, less powerful than in analog, can provide a usable image..
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I also bought several (5 in total) before coming across the real deal that picks up perfectly where the others give nothing or completely struggle:
(drum roll) it’s the ONE FOR ALL SV 9365, (be careful, exactly that one) for both TNT and DAB, FM, and analog channels, it lives up to the task;
This Christmas 2009, I gave it to a friend who couldn’t pick up anything in his town (Couvin in Belgium, near the French border) thinking I could easily buy a replacement and well, you can’t find it anymore in Belgium! Fortunately, I was able to get one on son-video.com for 46 euros including shipping, this time I’m keeping it no matter what!