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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre -  
jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   -
Hello everyone,
Until yesterday, I had W10 as well as Microsoft Money 2004. This accounting software was working fine.
I wanted to reinstall W10 because several small things were not working well anymore. And of course, I wanted to reinstall my applications, including MS Money.
Unfortunately, it doesn't want to know anything. The error message when installing Money is as follows: Unable to open the installation package. Contact the application vendor to verify that it is a valid Windows Installer package.
I know there is a 2005 version, but I am much more comfortable with the 2004 version.

Has anyone faced this problem?
Thank you in advance for your responses.

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foulq Posted messages 1584 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   397
 
Hello,
Look over here:

https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-32829485-compatibilite-w10-et-money-2004#1

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foulq.
It's crazy how many people ask for help and don't know how to say thank you.

Windows 10, Brave.
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Thank you for your quick response, but it seems that this is not due to Internet Explorer.
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100
 
Hello,

I personally use 2001, which refuses to install unless the system date on the PC is set to a date contemporary to its existence, even if you have to reset the date to its proper value after the installation.

It’s also possible that the installation archive of Money 2004 (whether CD or downloaded) might be corrupted (you would then need to find one online, but it seems that at least for the French versions, Money 2005 has become free, though not the previous versions) or that you may need to right-click on the installer, Compatibility mode, for example Windows XP.
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1 > brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 
Hello,
I modified the date as you suggested, but the problem has not been resolved and seems quite different.
In fact, when starting the installation of Money 2004, there is a prerequisite installation of "MS Money System Extension". And it seems that this extension is causing the problem.
The error message returned is as follows:


But I can't see what needs to be done, especially how to modify the permissions for this key in the registry.

And to think that it was working so well before I decided to reinstall W10...
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100 > LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre
 
Hello,

I no longer remember how the Money 2004 key is activated, locally or via an Internet connection: in the latter case, we could fail either because Microsoft no longer manages Money 2004 licenses, or more likely because Money automatically launches an old version of IE that is no longer supported (though I don't really believe that).

The situation suggests a corruption of the registry, a lack of rights on the installer, or both, but in doubt and since we cannot access a restore point due to the new installation, everything needs to be removed and started over, preferably after disabling third-party antivirus software, firewalls, and UAC which could also be partly responsible.

We assume that system and hidden files are displayed along with file extensions.

-Uninstall Money
-Even after that, there will still be leftovers:
go to the Microsoft Money folder (mine is customized, but normally under Program Files (x86)), delete it if it still exists
-in C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared, delete the Investor folder and the Works Shared folder
-in Windows Installer, search for the xxx.msi installation file for Money: it will be fairly easy to find since it dates back to the 2000s: hover the mouse over it or right-click the suspected file, properties, details: if it indeed relates to Microsoft Money, delete it.
-in Windows Prefetch, override the security warning, delete anything related to "MNY" and "MSMONEY"
-empty the Windows Temp folder
-in users, "you", AppData, Local: empty the Temp folder.
-in users, "you", AppData, Roaming, Microsoft, Installer: one of the alphanumeric folders contains MnyIco: delete it

Now we need to focus on the registry.
-search for regedit.exe and open it
-make a backup: file, export, give it a name, save it for example on the desktop
-with the cursor placed on "computer", go to edit, search, Money, check everything except whole word:
each time an occurrence is found, if it’s an exclusively Money folder, right-click, delete; if it’s a Money key among others on the right, right-click on that key, delete.
-go to edit, search next, and continue until the end of the registry.
-go back to computer, perform the same search for mny then for Works Suite

Restart the PC
Right-click on the Money installer, security tab, on the current user account, and if there is no full control, edit to grant permissions.
If that still doesn't help, go back to the registry and search for the key of the error message (without UNKNOWN), do the same: right-click, permissions, give full control.

The error may also be due as I mentioned to a date issue or compatibility with older Windows versions but usually, in these cases, the software warns during installation.
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello and thank you for all these details.
But unfortunately, it has not been conclusive. In fact, it's your last hypothesis that keeps coming back: the key to the error message (unable to open it) even though all permissions are set to "Full control".

Here is a screenshot.


It's incomprehensible (at least for me).
Thank you anyway and have a nice Sunday.
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100
 
Hello,

We're running out of solutions.

2001 works (I use it every day), and apparently 2005 does too.
However, on one hand, 2001 has become impossible to find online except for a trial version, and I don't install it from a CD but from an executable; on the other hand, it's said that 2005 was patched afterwards to work.

It's unclear whether you're trying to install 2004 from a CD or an executable.
In the first case, the autorun feature under Windows 10 may interfere, and in any case, we can't modify file permissions on a CD.
I have a working installation of Office 2007 that I no longer use, and the CD files have been copied from a CD to a partition: perhaps we could try this route; there, we can modify the file permissions and won't have an autorun problem.

If the failure persists, it's either related to connection requests from the installer to IE6 and MSN that fail or to XP compatibility not being activated; it’s possible that the suggested workarounds won't work, and we’ll be stuck with it, or your 2004 media is corrupted.

Windows 10 allows native mounting of ISO files without using a virtual machine or third-party software; you just need to enable the optional Windows virtualization feature and then click on the ISO.

To my knowledge, only international versions of 2004 are available online; as long as French Windows accepts them, you can download the ISO: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Money_2004_Standard_Microsoft_2003
mount it, do the usual rigmarole (file permissions, XP compatibility, registry):
https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-32418971-money-2004-sous-windows-10
https://answers.microsoft.com/fr-fr/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/money-suite-financiere-2005-et-windows-10/b2780986-18c2-49c9-9801-e94a21024d6e?page=2&auth=1
If it works (too bad for the English for now), then it's your 2004 media that is the problem.

As long as the aborted 2004 installation logged files and the registry, of course, they need to be cleaned before each attempt.

If all else fails, we'll have to migrate to 2005...
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello,

After following your advice, visiting the links you suggested, and doing some research online, I am still stuck.
However, I have made some progress because now, after multiple attempts and adjustments, the SysPack file (the Money extension) is correctly installed (after several adjustments to the modification rights of the Registry keys). Unfortunately, the main file never wanted to cooperate.
This time the error message is as follows:


OK, we don't know which package it is, but I assume it's the one I have. So, I am not losing hope; I am still searching for leads so that it can work again someday.

Thank you for your help.
If I have any information or leads, I won't hesitate to let you know (it might help).
Have a nice day.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello LilienM..

Where are you with your MsMoney issue?
What support did you try to install it with?
Do you have the option to do a system restore to revert to a configuration prior to everything that was done above because it seems a bit complicated to me ...
▶️ If I understood correctly, it's since you reinstalled W10 that you're experiencing the problem .... and it could be the source of the issue ..(subject to confirmation) ..how did you reinstall W10 and from what source or support?
See you!
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello,

Well, after spending a few days making trials, various modifications, and adjustments here and there, I was forced to install the latest known version of Money, namely 2005. Which only partially satisfies me. I find this version less user-friendly than the old one. Slower too. And then, it seems that you can't create bar charts. In short, I miss 2004.
As you rightly point out, it was during a clean reinstallation (actually a recovery (PC Settings, Update and Security, Recovery)) that the issue appeared. Everything was working perfectly before.
I believe the only solution (?) would be to get the original CD of Money 2004. And even then...

Thank you for reading.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello LilienM....

Thank you for the feedback...
I’m glad for you if everything is okay!
As you know, MsMoney has been abandoned for ages by Microsoft, and over time, with Windows updates, there are bugs, and the best way to fix all this is to do a clean uninstall of MsMoney, then reinstall it, and everything should be fine in principle..

In my opinion, your issue probably came from your poorly installed Windows 10 or updates??

As for version 2005, it is very close to 2004, and I am a bit surprised that you can't create charts (I've never done it personally, but I'm almost certain it's possible)

To conclude, I suggest you keep the 3 links below safe
Link No. 1 below ► MsMoney FAQ Translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&prev=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dautoupdate.dll%2Bmoney%26hl%3Dfr%26biw%3D1173%26bih%3D782%26prmd%3Divnsfd&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.mvps.org%2Ffaq%2F

Link No. 2
Link No. 3

Talk to you later for your comments, but if none ► Subject resolved
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100 > jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention  
 
Hello,

Money 2005 is not reported as having any particular difficulties under Windows 10; the issue was installing Money 2004, and I don’t see how it has been resolved.

Windows 10 has been reinstalled, but I don’t quite see how its latest updates would affect software dating back to 2003.

And you may have noticed that all at least conceivable workarounds have been considered, even though you insist that simply uninstalling and reinstalling properly is enough, which proves it’s not...
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505 > brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 
Hello brucine ......

It's too bad you can't read between the lines because LilienM managed to install MsMoney 2005 instead of the 2004 version which, in my opinion, should install if the CD isn't defective??
Personally, I’m not one to make long speeches, and when I don’t know, I keep quiet!

As for resolved, it's up to LilienM to mark it as resolved or not, as noted above!
It's all well and good to chime in after abandoning the help that LilienM needed ... or to say anything in post #7 ... and I think he understood that he had to manage on his own!

For your information, I suggest you check ► This link which should give you an idea about my knowledge of MsMoney
Regards, and let's leave it at that!
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100 > jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention  
 
I personally use Money, including on operating systems not designed to run it for over 20 years, but it's true, you are the expert suggesting to install Money 2005 instead, which is what everyone has known from the very beginning.

I personally don't know if the 2004 CD is defective (or even if there is one).

Apart from this hypothesis that you hold as certain in your great wisdom and which of course has no solution, and aside from 2005 which has been patched, all older versions of Money pose various issues on recent operating systems that we can try to address: I did not give up on LilienM before running out of solutions (except of course installing 2005) either because I am incompetent, or because there are none, and I obviously see, like you, only solved problems from all the questions on this forum.

But since we're talking about bringing our opinions and I am willing to admit that you are much more knowledgeable not only than me, which isn’t very difficult, but than the entire world, we are still waiting for you to propose functional solutions other than the hypothesis of a potentially defective support, which nothing indicates.

Yes, indeed, when one doesn't know, one should refrain rather than not only hammering on open doors but also proclaiming that such an obviousness resolves the issue.
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello Brucine, hello Jmarion3,

No, no, there's no need to overthink it, I thank you both for your good advice.
I took the best of your comments and suggestions and did everything that could be done. Each of you helped me a lot.
In the end, I installed the 2005 version which, for me, is less enjoyable than the previous version (it's certainly a matter of taste).
But there you go, sometimes things don't go as we would like.
It's okay, I'll get used to this version.

In the meantime, thanks again for everything.
Sending you a friendly hello from Savoie.

Have a good day.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello LilienM..

Thank you for the feedback and your calm demeanor.....
Regarding the graphical states that I have never personally used, I think it's quite possible.. I searched and simulated a dummy state and here's what it looks like roughly...

However, I'm not sure if this is exactly what you want
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
This is indeed what I am looking for and what I have always used.
However, with this 2005 version, I do not have the line you highlighted "Change display".

And when I click "Customize", here’s what I get:



It can be observed that, apart from "Status", nothing is clickable (all options remain greyed out).
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brucine Posted messages 24400 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   4 100
 
Hello,

did you receive my private message?
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello ...

We have the same version of MsMoney (for your information, I am the one who uploaded this version on CCM from a copy of my CD)

Have you tried the following
✅Launch MsMoney
✅Reports (in the top toolbar)
✅Edit report settings on the left
✅Edit report settings
✅Use advanced reports

And in principle, you should be able to edit reports in the form of status bars just like in my screenshot above

Talk to you later.
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Everything is in accordance with what you state: I am indeed using the advanced states. Unfortunately, I still come up empty-handed.
I am always missing that darn line "Change display," without which I only have access to states.
But I will keep searching.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
When you click on the States tab in the toolbar, do you see the same page as my screenshot below?

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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Yes, the same but with an extra block: my favorites.

Otherwise, I've made progress and, after battling, I was able to obtain some graphs (for example, the revenues for each month). I'm still unable to create a graph representing the evolution of the net worth month by month (which I was obviously doing before).

So, there is certainly some progress.



Thank you for your patience. And I’m searching...
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Good news ► You're making progress ....
"I still can't produce a graph showing the evolution of the wealth month by month (which I obviously used to do)." ...► Not having any wealth to manage, unfortunately, I can't simulate a graph to help you .. but I think you're on the right track ...!
I don't know version 2004 and can't compare it to 2005 other than that they are compatible and in my opinion have the same functionalities but perhaps presented differently??

If you're sure that the CD of MsMoney 2004 is in good condition, why not try reinstalling it if your Windows is fine ► If you make a backup, you don't have much to lose except time ...
Personally, I would try it but by uninstalling MsMoney as indicated in my link N°2 above and reinstalling it via link N°3
I assume you purchased MsMoney 2004 (does it happen to have a note like Deluxe or something on its cover) in a store or elsewhere because at one time MsMoney was included in a Microsoft office suite, so there was no installation CD specific to it ...

See you later and thanks for the follow-up..
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello,

"Heritage" is the term used in Money. It refers, in this case, to all the money you have and any assets that you own and have chosen to include in Money. It's a generic term, nothing more.
Indeed, the two versions are compatible, but it seems that when moving from one version to the next, you have to go through a conversion (which Money does naturally). And I think that the issues encountered regarding the graphs come partly from this conversion.
As for 2004, I have all the files but no CD (I've always had it since the beginning and it has obviously always worked well).

In short, after a few days of using 2005 (already 9), I'm inevitably starting to get the hang of it. Maybe one day I'll reinstall 2004 (I've kept the work files).

In the meantime, I greatly thank you for your involvement.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello LilienM ......

I understood the term Heritage well, but that is not the issue ..
As mentioned earlier, I am not familiar with this 2004 version; however, I know that there have been several versions of it (if I remember correctly, Deluxe and others ...) and does the one you have have options that MsMoney 2005 does not possess??

If you could send me all the files in your possession via a free file hosting service, I would like to try them out on one of my machines to better understand ..

For now, I think we can't do much better due to lack of comparison...
Best regards
See you later
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LilienM Posted messages 21 Status Membre 1
 
Hello,

If you could send me all the files you have via a free host, I would like to try it on one of my machines to understand better ..
Sure, why not?
How should I do it? Do I need your email?

Have a great day.
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505
 
Hello ....

I can't paste my email address here but in PM ► No problem ► Check your private messages on CCM

Edit ► I think there's an issue because my PM isn't going through ?? ► Have you properly configured your PM - CCM settings to allow receiving messages in your profile
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jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   5 505 > jmarion3 Posted messages 49468 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention  
 
For your information ► LilienM has opted for wisdom and prefers to stick with MsMoney 2005, which suits him...(Confirmation in MP from 09/26/21)
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