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Hello,
I am hesitant to enroll in the automation and industrial computing training at AFPA. I would like some recent positive feedback?
Because in my circle, some people have had very bad experiences with AFPA. I've been told that the trainers are more like salespeople than educators. They are not allowed to get involved. There are no course materials. Trainees are on self-study. The trainer is not there to help the trainee. Their role is to monitor computers, install software, and surf the internet. Companies avoid AFPA trainees because they are considered incompetent and poorly trained.
I am hesitant to enroll in the automation and industrial computing training at AFPA. I would like some recent positive feedback?
Because in my circle, some people have had very bad experiences with AFPA. I've been told that the trainers are more like salespeople than educators. They are not allowed to get involved. There are no course materials. Trainees are on self-study. The trainer is not there to help the trainee. Their role is to monitor computers, install software, and surf the internet. Companies avoid AFPA trainees because they are considered incompetent and poorly trained.
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Since there are no course materials, the trainees are self-training. The trainer is not there to assist the trainee... so in my opinion, you should listen to the advice of those around you and seek training elsewhere.
I have been to several AFPA centers since then. I spoke with some trainees. It’s a beautiful fairy tale that you wrote above.
What you are writing is completely false. Are you a salesperson? There is no methodology. It’s like trying to teach a language to a baby without human contact or educational tools. “But, my child: why aren’t you talking?”
Moreover, there is no dedicated space (stores, stockrooms, technical libraries, computer rooms, etc.) as you mentioned above.
I talked with several trainees from different sessions. There is none of what you mention. Some told me: you need a DUT level with a good base in C++ to do this BTS in industrial computing automation. So, if you manage, it’s all about reviewing, rely on the mutual help of the trainees.
Otherwise, you will very quickly be left behind. With all the will in the world, if you’re alone you’re done for. You will see depending on the group’s atmosphere, its cohesion.
Others told me about their helplessness in the face of a deaf administration. Do you find it normal that out of twelve trainees, seven will never validate their diplomas due to lack of internships? Where is the integration, the follow-up, the solidarity? They are losing a year. We could almost conclude: If you are a beginner, if you are not from the field for ten years, you will waste a year of your life, a year of ARE, don’t go.
What you are writing is completely false. Are you a salesperson? There is no methodology. It’s like trying to teach a language to a baby without human contact or educational tools. “But, my child: why aren’t you talking?”
Moreover, there is no dedicated space (stores, stockrooms, technical libraries, computer rooms, etc.) as you mentioned above.
I talked with several trainees from different sessions. There is none of what you mention. Some told me: you need a DUT level with a good base in C++ to do this BTS in industrial computing automation. So, if you manage, it’s all about reviewing, rely on the mutual help of the trainees.
Otherwise, you will very quickly be left behind. With all the will in the world, if you’re alone you’re done for. You will see depending on the group’s atmosphere, its cohesion.
Others told me about their helplessness in the face of a deaf administration. Do you find it normal that out of twelve trainees, seven will never validate their diplomas due to lack of internships? Where is the integration, the follow-up, the solidarity? They are losing a year. We could almost conclude: If you are a beginner, if you are not from the field for ten years, you will waste a year of your life, a year of ARE, don’t go.
When I read some comments, I wonder where they really went for their training? Because I completed one in 2013 in heating maintenance at the vocational high school level and there was at least a 100% pass rate in the exam with congratulations for everyone. Also, if the trainers teach nothing, it's straight out the door because I can't imagine bosses losing 2 days for the pretty eyes of the AFPA; there has to be a minimum, it’s mandatory, even if overall it’s true that trainers need to be pushed, but as one internet user said, it all depends on the AFPA you're in; I was in Colmar and it was fine.
I attended an AFPA training course 20 years ago, it was a real training.
Today at another center, it has nothing to do with real training anymore.
Staff on site constantly passing the buck. A trainer who can't even find the solutions to the exercises he himself poses to the trainees. Absent most of the time. The training has turned into a vacation camp where those who want to work are hindered by those who think they are on holiday. No discipline, nothing at all in reality. If you are looking to train, especially stay away from AFPA or you'll end up depressed at best.
Today at another center, it has nothing to do with real training anymore.
Staff on site constantly passing the buck. A trainer who can't even find the solutions to the exercises he himself poses to the trainees. Absent most of the time. The training has turned into a vacation camp where those who want to work are hindered by those who think they are on holiday. No discipline, nothing at all in reality. If you are looking to train, especially stay away from AFPA or you'll end up depressed at best.
It's true what you learned about Afpa. This center is worthless, you're left to fend for yourself and if you don't understand certain concepts, your only support is Google!!! Or, if you're lucky, a colleague who's there just for the diploma, because they've been in the job for at least two years. So, the trainers take care of everything else, as long as they don't train the trainees!!! They are gatekeepers, computer monitors or ghosts - because they often disappear. If I had done my training as a secretary assistant elsewhere, I wouldn't have failed my diploma. I only received a certificate... that is to say, half. And believe me, I'm far from being an idiot!
Since your opinion seems to be decided, and you have only found witnesses against in your environment (having failed the final exam, or having had a bad trainer, or not finding an employer immediately after their training), don't hesitate, go get trained elsewhere.
This will free up a spot for someone ready to apply the structured self-training methods that have made AFPA's success and that allow for continued progress autonomously once hired.
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Retirement is great! Especially in the Antilles...
Raymond (INSA engineer, AFPA director)
This will free up a spot for someone ready to apply the structured self-training methods that have made AFPA's success and that allow for continued progress autonomously once hired.
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Retirement is great! Especially in the Antilles...
Raymond (INSA engineer, AFPA director)
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Technical training on products:
AS2E offers technical training on all Siemens products from the IA/DT division (Industry Automation and Drives Technologies):
SIMATIC programmable controllers
Variable speed drives
SIMATIC-NET networks
SIMATIC-HMI Human/Machine interfaces
Instrumentation
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Hello,
I spent several months at AFPA this year.
And honestly, it's really not great at all.
The restrooms are enough to make you vomit, there's nowhere to eat or heat up your meal. I had a disastrous training experience, no support for the group, always putting us down. The management is rude. Classes? Not really, we have to figure things out on our own, no methodology. The equipment is in terrible condition. During my exam, the jury didn’t even pay attention to me. The jury was talking about rags, etc. Really, do not choose an AFPA training program.
I spent several months at AFPA this year.
And honestly, it's really not great at all.
The restrooms are enough to make you vomit, there's nowhere to eat or heat up your meal. I had a disastrous training experience, no support for the group, always putting us down. The management is rude. Classes? Not really, we have to figure things out on our own, no methodology. The equipment is in terrible condition. During my exam, the jury didn’t even pay attention to me. The jury was talking about rags, etc. Really, do not choose an AFPA training program.
Hello,
I’m currently in TSAII training at Afpa Istres... It’s pathetic... No competent trainers! Let me explain, it’s the third trainer since early March, and still not a qualified professional in automation and industrial computing, just a presence act on his part to stay polite (like a monitor at school). Then, no equipment, no software, etc. We had to find cracked software online... Also, there is no support or schedule. We are managing by ourselves! If you want to obtain this diploma, it requires a colossal amount of personal work to be done. Don't take Afpa training, it's a profit-driven company and not educational.
I’m currently in TSAII training at Afpa Istres... It’s pathetic... No competent trainers! Let me explain, it’s the third trainer since early March, and still not a qualified professional in automation and industrial computing, just a presence act on his part to stay polite (like a monitor at school). Then, no equipment, no software, etc. We had to find cracked software online... Also, there is no support or schedule. We are managing by ourselves! If you want to obtain this diploma, it requires a colossal amount of personal work to be done. Don't take Afpa training, it's a profit-driven company and not educational.
Hello,
as for me, I’ve given up on AFPA.
I followed two training sessions. The first went very well, the secretary assistant training, which has been in place for a long time; they are seasoned with it.
As for the second one, it's a different story.
The employment office asked AFPA to create a session for the CCP 2 of the payroll manager training, in 3 months (during these 3 months, there are still 3 weeks of internship and 1 week of revision, so 2 months of training). It should be noted that a single CCP in payroll doesn't lead to much. We were told we could take the second CCP!! Yes, but they took all our CPF hours, and for AFPA to organize the CCP2, the employment office has to request it, and for that, businesses' managers need to express the need. Basically, we’re not ready to take the CCP 2.
So to summarize, AFPA sold us this training as a complete professional title of level 3, whereas in the end, we have nothing (half of the title, and it’s impossible to be a payroll manager!!).
Our first trainer resigned (which I understand), but no one thought that we, adult trainees, should be informed. We weren't asking for details, but not to learn it through rumors or from other trainees.
They found someone to replace her (4 replacements), but there was no one to visit us during the internships; it was a trainer who didn’t know us who called. In total, for 2 months of classes, we had 5 trainers!!!!!!!
AFPA also didn’t provide us with the tools to succeed. Indeed, we worked on a payslip from before 2018, while the payslips have been simplified since January 1, 2018.
The method used to process the payslips during the courses had nothing to do with what we were asked in the exam!! Indeed, in the exam, we used a workgroup created on Excel linking the 4 sheets of the binder in which we had to complete EVERYTHING (example: each rate for each employee and employer contribution). In training, we copied/pasted the basic payslip and processed them one by one.
I still hear the training manager saying: "don’t worry, anyway, you'll be judged on methodology (i.e., if we know how to calculate a CP or an AM....), not on the rest".
In the end, we were not judged on methodology, but on the final payslip,
A jury insulting me as a liar when I explain to them how the training went!!!
A session that only has a 50% success rate (for those who were already doing accounting).
AFPA is degrading, they need money, and that’s the only thing that matters to them.
And yes Mr. PENTIER, this is no longer the AFPA you once knew.
as for me, I’ve given up on AFPA.
I followed two training sessions. The first went very well, the secretary assistant training, which has been in place for a long time; they are seasoned with it.
As for the second one, it's a different story.
The employment office asked AFPA to create a session for the CCP 2 of the payroll manager training, in 3 months (during these 3 months, there are still 3 weeks of internship and 1 week of revision, so 2 months of training). It should be noted that a single CCP in payroll doesn't lead to much. We were told we could take the second CCP!! Yes, but they took all our CPF hours, and for AFPA to organize the CCP2, the employment office has to request it, and for that, businesses' managers need to express the need. Basically, we’re not ready to take the CCP 2.
So to summarize, AFPA sold us this training as a complete professional title of level 3, whereas in the end, we have nothing (half of the title, and it’s impossible to be a payroll manager!!).
Our first trainer resigned (which I understand), but no one thought that we, adult trainees, should be informed. We weren't asking for details, but not to learn it through rumors or from other trainees.
They found someone to replace her (4 replacements), but there was no one to visit us during the internships; it was a trainer who didn’t know us who called. In total, for 2 months of classes, we had 5 trainers!!!!!!!
AFPA also didn’t provide us with the tools to succeed. Indeed, we worked on a payslip from before 2018, while the payslips have been simplified since January 1, 2018.
The method used to process the payslips during the courses had nothing to do with what we were asked in the exam!! Indeed, in the exam, we used a workgroup created on Excel linking the 4 sheets of the binder in which we had to complete EVERYTHING (example: each rate for each employee and employer contribution). In training, we copied/pasted the basic payslip and processed them one by one.
I still hear the training manager saying: "don’t worry, anyway, you'll be judged on methodology (i.e., if we know how to calculate a CP or an AM....), not on the rest".
In the end, we were not judged on methodology, but on the final payslip,
A jury insulting me as a liar when I explain to them how the training went!!!
A session that only has a 50% success rate (for those who were already doing accounting).
AFPA is degrading, they need money, and that’s the only thing that matters to them.
And yes Mr. PENTIER, this is no longer the AFPA you once knew.
Yes, it's sad
In the accounting manager training: incorrect answers corrected, balances displayed on the board with minimal explanation because we need to go fast, exercises from 2015 that aren't updated, if you don't understand, you receive the displayed contempt of the overly excited and sometimes aggressive trainer.
Half of the trainees have already followed an unvalidated BTS or have professional experience. The other half struggles and hangs on to keep up without causing a stir. The trainers are not about to question themselves, and it quickly becomes clear that we will definitely be at a disadvantage if we shed light on a shoddy training.
In the accounting manager training: incorrect answers corrected, balances displayed on the board with minimal explanation because we need to go fast, exercises from 2015 that aren't updated, if you don't understand, you receive the displayed contempt of the overly excited and sometimes aggressive trainer.
Half of the trainees have already followed an unvalidated BTS or have professional experience. The other half struggles and hangs on to keep up without causing a stir. The trainers are not about to question themselves, and it quickly becomes clear that we will definitely be at a disadvantage if we shed light on a shoddy training.
Hello,
Feedback on AFPA training registration:
Organization to avoid:
- Awful organization: I called 3 times to register for a training and ended up going to the center myself in the absence of an appointment for the tests, only to learn that the tests were on that day (I took the tests without a calculator or preparation).
- Unsuitable educational organization.
- Awful reception.
- No tools provided during training to learn except for the base Excel software.
- Conceited trainers.
- Dilapidated premises.
- Note: Diploma very poorly recognized by employers.
Feedback on AFPA training registration:
Organization to avoid:
- Awful organization: I called 3 times to register for a training and ended up going to the center myself in the absence of an appointment for the tests, only to learn that the tests were on that day (I took the tests without a calculator or preparation).
- Unsuitable educational organization.
- Awful reception.
- No tools provided during training to learn except for the base Excel software.
- Conceited trainers.
- Dilapidated premises.
- Note: Diploma very poorly recognized by employers.
I completed a training course as an accounting assistant for 6 months at the AFPA two years ago. First of all, I didn't want to take this training in the first place since it wasn't my professional activity but rather accounting secretary. There was actually a training course at another training center, but Pôle Emploi decided otherwise. So, I went through this training, and the conclusion after these 6 months: I found myself with trainees who had already been in this profession for years, piles of sheets full of mistakes as learning materials (there were so many that cumulatively they reached almost the height of a small step ladder), almost all the time in self-study (the trainer was either too technical or absent, so I had to learn almost everything by myself with the help of the internet, long live YouTube), constant chaos. Furthermore, the AFPA doesn't even comply with the laws in force, such as article 6353-1 of the Labor Code regarding the obligations of training centers towards trainees, which is not even mentioned in my training contract. This article states that the training center must provide, among other things, the evaluation grid that must be given to the trainee at the end of the training, as well as the scores of your exams if you are taking a training course with a professional title at stake. This law also states that you have a deadline of one year to retake the title that you either partially or totally failed. I had to really push to find out if I had passed or failed my exam. Since I failed, I received nothing from Pôle Emploi or the AFPA. In addition, we were told the modules we had failed, and we had five years to retake them, that was in 2017. However, I learned during an interview for access to the VAE in May 2019 that the retake period for professional training modules was no longer five years but for life, just like the VAE modules. This law was amended in 2016. I can believe that at first, the training manager at the AFPA was unaware, but by the end, she certainly knew, and it was kept quiet. I don't believe that the person who told me this lied to me, but feel free to verify whether this information is true or false. I apologize in advance if it is false. Everything I just recounted is true, I did not lie.
I am astonished and outraged by these statements that portray a completely different AFPA from the one I have known and practiced throughout my professional career!
There is especially a lack of understanding of the term self-training and its implementation:
The trainee is placed in a company situation, in a reconstituted professional environment, and receives work instructions for the day or the week, with objectives to achieve, a methodology to follow, and all the necessary tools available in the workshop or in dedicated spaces (stores, stocks, technical libraries, computer rooms, etc.); the trainer continuously supervises the progress of each trainee's tasks, corrects mistakes, provides useful advice, and answers questions posed by the trainees.
This pedagogical method, widely used in Switzerland and Canada, is particularly suited to an adult and motivated audience, and deliberately rejects the classic school methods of the National Education, which have not succeeded with most trainees coming to AFPA. Moreover, it has the advantage of training the individual to not just "consume" courses provided by a teacher, but to seek the right information in the right place, to take initiative, to validate their attempts, to measure their progress, and to assess their knowledge, all practices that they can naturally continue to exercise in the context of continuing education, in the company where they will work.
But I am not surprised that less autonomous, less dynamic people, who prefer the security represented by lessons, assignments, and printed courses, may feel uncomfortable in this somewhat too modern atmosphere.
You will thus understand why work psychologists, when conducting selection tests for candidates, seek to know their degree of maturity and verify the reality of their motivation. One could almost conclude
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Retirement is great! Especially in the West Indies... Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
There is especially a lack of understanding of the term self-training and its implementation:
The trainee is placed in a company situation, in a reconstituted professional environment, and receives work instructions for the day or the week, with objectives to achieve, a methodology to follow, and all the necessary tools available in the workshop or in dedicated spaces (stores, stocks, technical libraries, computer rooms, etc.); the trainer continuously supervises the progress of each trainee's tasks, corrects mistakes, provides useful advice, and answers questions posed by the trainees.
This pedagogical method, widely used in Switzerland and Canada, is particularly suited to an adult and motivated audience, and deliberately rejects the classic school methods of the National Education, which have not succeeded with most trainees coming to AFPA. Moreover, it has the advantage of training the individual to not just "consume" courses provided by a teacher, but to seek the right information in the right place, to take initiative, to validate their attempts, to measure their progress, and to assess their knowledge, all practices that they can naturally continue to exercise in the context of continuing education, in the company where they will work.
But I am not surprised that less autonomous, less dynamic people, who prefer the security represented by lessons, assignments, and printed courses, may feel uncomfortable in this somewhat too modern atmosphere.
You will thus understand why work psychologists, when conducting selection tests for candidates, seek to know their degree of maturity and verify the reality of their motivation. One could almost conclude
not serious, please abstain!
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Retirement is great! Especially in the West Indies... Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
Hello Sir,
I just wanted to say that you may have experienced the ideal AFPA, but unfortunately, not all of them are equal (it's like teachers), I have personally experienced it, yet I belong to a generation where autonomy and work are considered normal. I had a trainer who spent her time talking on the phone and managing her husband's business throughout the class days, one who would leave during work hours to do her shopping and would be gone for half an hour and return three hours later... I also work with the OPCOs and I can tell you that there are many closures of AFPA and it's not over, when you sell a program of 1200 hours or 1800 hours and you don't even have the trainer and you hand the responsibility to one of your employees who has never taught payroll management but will have to improvise because there are 8 candidates who signed a contract, I call that amateurism, nonsense, even fraud.
I just wanted to say that you may have experienced the ideal AFPA, but unfortunately, not all of them are equal (it's like teachers), I have personally experienced it, yet I belong to a generation where autonomy and work are considered normal. I had a trainer who spent her time talking on the phone and managing her husband's business throughout the class days, one who would leave during work hours to do her shopping and would be gone for half an hour and return three hours later... I also work with the OPCOs and I can tell you that there are many closures of AFPA and it's not over, when you sell a program of 1200 hours or 1800 hours and you don't even have the trainer and you hand the responsibility to one of your employees who has never taught payroll management but will have to improvise because there are 8 candidates who signed a contract, I call that amateurism, nonsense, even fraud.
In my humble opinion, your monochrome vision is devoid of common sense. Your entrance tests are conducted for integration into your training, so if one passes this stage, it means we fit in, or I need explanations. The comments from the dissatisfied are numerous, so the methodology of today needs to be revised. Your training programs need to be reassessed, and they are certainly not up to the expected level in the professional field after having lengthy discussions with entrepreneurs. For example, a professional title equivalent to a Bac +2 (French higher education certification) Technician in Systems and Networks, which normally takes 3 years, 2 years in accelerated mode, is promised by Afpa in 8/9 months with 7 weeks of internships included. When you take a Microsoft certification, you have courses, a method, and practical work, which have much more value than the AFPA courses to date. Recruiters are aware of the level of training centers and the trainers in place. They are not fooled, and the trainee emerging from their training also realizes this, leading them to find work below their qualification for which they were trained. It is truly unfortunate to reach this conclusion, but the more you stubbornly deny the facts, the more they resurface. The proof is that many Afpa centers are closing down, and training programs like CNAM, CESI... in alternating formats are gaining an advantage. You are certainly a good educator, a professional in training, but you are part of a minority in your centers.
In my humble opinion, your monochromatic vision makes no sense. Your entrance tests are conducted for integration into your training, so if we pass this step, it means we are suitable, or I need explanations. The comments from dissatisfied individuals are numerous, so the current method needs to be reviewed. Your training programs need to be reevaluated, and they are certainly not at the expected level in the professional field after having had long discussions with entrepreneurs. For example, a professional title at the Bac +2 level for higher technicians in systems and networks, where the program content is usually spread over 3 years, 2 years in accelerated mode, the Afpa promises it in 8/9 months with 7 weeks of internships included. When you take a Microsoft certification, you have courses, methods, and practice, which have much more value than the AFPA courses to date. Recruiters are aware of the level of training centers and the trainers in place. They are not fooled, and the trainee coming out of their training is too, and thus finds work below their qualification for which they have been trained. It is unfortunate to arrive at this conclusion, but at the AFPA, the more you stubbornly deny the facts, the more they resurface. The proof is that many Afpa centers are closing, and training programs like CNAM, CESI... in alternating modes are gaining the advantage. You are certainly a good educator, a professional in training, but you are part of a minority in your centers.
There is none so deaf as he who does not want to hear.
I am not a salesman (in fact, there are none at AFPA).
I have been a training center director throughout my career.
I have known more centers, trainers, and trainees than you will know in your entire life.
I no longer believe in fairy tales, nor in Santa Claus, nor in the investigations of ex-future-trainees.
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Retirement is great! Especially in the Antilles... Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
I am not a salesman (in fact, there are none at AFPA).
I have been a training center director throughout my career.
I have known more centers, trainers, and trainees than you will know in your entire life.
I no longer believe in fairy tales, nor in Santa Claus, nor in the investigations of ex-future-trainees.
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Retirement is great! Especially in the Antilles... Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
No, it is simply a tissue of lies.
They make you believe that it is AUTONOMY in order to be prepared for the job market... but in reality, it is called savings!
Why come to training if it's to be left to oneself? Isn't the purpose of "training" to be educated above all? I agree with phases of autonomy at the end of the session so that the trainee is prepared for both the exam and the job market. But it is not a packet of papers that will teach you a profession!
Just look at the reputation of AFPA, GRETA...
Moreover, isn't it AFPA that has been using the same exam topics for years? That proves their seriousness!
Also, do not despise people as you do; you increasingly make us think of a worker from this kind of center "Ex-future-trainee." The people who complain are clearly just useless to you, failing their training.
P.S.: From a director of a training center who values HUMANITY BEFORE MONEY!
They make you believe that it is AUTONOMY in order to be prepared for the job market... but in reality, it is called savings!
Why come to training if it's to be left to oneself? Isn't the purpose of "training" to be educated above all? I agree with phases of autonomy at the end of the session so that the trainee is prepared for both the exam and the job market. But it is not a packet of papers that will teach you a profession!
Just look at the reputation of AFPA, GRETA...
Moreover, isn't it AFPA that has been using the same exam topics for years? That proves their seriousness!
Also, do not despise people as you do; you increasingly make us think of a worker from this kind of center "Ex-future-trainee." The people who complain are clearly just useless to you, failing their training.
P.S.: From a director of a training center who values HUMANITY BEFORE MONEY!
jeanbarr01 had clearly specified "I would like recent positive reviews"!
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It's great, retirement! Especially in the Caribbean...
Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
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It's great, retirement! Especially in the Caribbean...
Raymond (INSA, AFPA)
Happy retirement,
I was in teaching and wanted to change professions.
I am disappointed with this training; the trainer seems to be getting herself together a little too late for my taste. She seems to fear my reaction. She is mistaken because I am a kind-hearted person, and the other trainees didn't need me to be dissatisfied.
I was in teaching and wanted to change professions.
I am disappointed with this training; the trainer seems to be getting herself together a little too late for my taste. She seems to fear my reaction. She is mistaken because I am a kind-hearted person, and the other trainees didn't need me to be dissatisfied.