Is the DDJ-SX enough or not?
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Hello,
Hello everyone,
I've been wanting to start mixing for about 2 years now. I've done some research online and found an all-in-one mixer with built-in players, a Pioneer DDJ-SX, priced at €1000, which I think is reasonable for an all-in-one controller...
To be honest, I don't know anything at all (my knowledge is limited to the Djay app on Mac, which I manage quite well ^^'). I just want to know if this all-in-one setup might be a bit overkill for a beginner... and also, are there any disadvantages to mixing on a single unit instead of, for example, a DJM and CDJ setup?
And just to know, what else do you need to start besides this? A headphone, a computer, speakers, and then...?
Thanks in advance... :D
Hello everyone,
I've been wanting to start mixing for about 2 years now. I've done some research online and found an all-in-one mixer with built-in players, a Pioneer DDJ-SX, priced at €1000, which I think is reasonable for an all-in-one controller...
To be honest, I don't know anything at all (my knowledge is limited to the Djay app on Mac, which I manage quite well ^^'). I just want to know if this all-in-one setup might be a bit overkill for a beginner... and also, are there any disadvantages to mixing on a single unit instead of, for example, a DJM and CDJ setup?
And just to know, what else do you need to start besides this? A headphone, a computer, speakers, and then...?
Thanks in advance... :D
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If I was expecting such a quick response!! :O
Sorry for the delay ^^'
So, for mixing I prefer the DDJ-SX, it's more recent :)
For headphones, I already own a Beats Studio (I think that's enough??)
As for the software, it would be good for me to prepare my mixes a bit (without going full David Guetta either ;) ) so I will go for Magix Music Maker.
(By the way, you gave me a scare when I saw the other two software on Google Images O___o)
But for the HD speakers, what do you recommend?
Then for effects, we’ll see later, I’m just starting out so... maybe later why not ;)
Again, sorry for the delay, I'll pay more attention this time ;) thanks for your help.-
Hello :)
The Beats Audio headphones will be more than enough
Magix Music Maker is easy enough, but if you don't want to switch software once you've gone through this one, I would recommend either Fruity Loops or Cubase (preferably Cubase 6).
For speakers, I recommend the HD speakers made with Kevlar, inspired by the construction of B&W (Bowers and Wilkins) speakers, to achieve extraordinary sound quality.
Example: https://www.citysound.net/fr/b1030a-caja-acustica-amplificada-100w-pareja-behringer/pid7455#.UPBom-Q0Ea8
You won’t have super powerful sound, but the sound will be great (at the same time, you won’t be throwing a party with it ;) )
Otherwise, you can do like me and buy some big speakers directly, you’ll get great and very powerful sound, and you’ll be able to throw parties ;)
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The mixer you chose is a very good one! You also have the DDJ T1 and S1 from Pioneer, which are not bad either, maybe less complete.
For a beginner, it seems nice, especially if you want to host parties; Pioneer is reliable for that.
Don't start with something too small, the mixer you chose will teach you more things at once than a smaller one.
I have a DJAM Ultimate from Audiophonie, it's good, but I've almost exploited all its remix capabilities; I just need to apply everything, in a few months mine will be outdated while yours you can keep for a long time.
For music equipment, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to produce and then mix it with other music, etc., you need Cubase or Fruity Loops or Magix Music Maker (the simplest), a MIDI keyboard (all this is for production). Then, for mixing, you need HD quality speakers, a good headset like Sennheiser or something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh6KlNWtBM :p a good mixer, and an extra if you like to add effects, you can get things like a Korg Quadpad, a RMX 1000...
After that, for doing live, you can get a MIDI keyboard, a Quadpad (for piano loops and effects), and a Korg EMX for example, and you're good to go.
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Ok, for the software I think I will have a hard time managing big software like the ones you just mentioned, but I'll stick with Magix Music Maker for now ;)
I'd rather buy big speakers on which I can have very powerful and quality sound, I prefer to spend a good amount on the speakers and not talk about it anymore ^^ (maximum €800)-
With 800 euros, you won't get far in terms of sound equipment. If you want to be safe, get passive speakers because if you choose active ones, some will have quite a few problems. Moreover, replacing an amplifier for active speakers is expensive and you can't do it yourself unless you know what you're doing. :)
An active speaker is very convenient because you can add as many speakers as you want as long as they are all already amplified.
Passive speakers are more for powerful sound.
Check this out http://www.centralsono.com/3133-pack-delta-215-hpa-a3200.html (my setup :p)
I doubt you'll buy something like that since you might not really need it as it's a sound system that can accommodate 300 people and can even be used outdoors....
If you buy sound equipment, get something powerful so you'll have some leeway.
Speakers to avoid: Kool Sound, Gemini, BOOST, DAP AUDIO, IBIZA SOUND IMG STAGE LINE... and many others.
Go for RCF, JBL, WHARFEDAL (be careful, these are powerful high-quality speakers but they are fragile, however they have excellent sound quality), BST, Bose (seems decent), Cerwin Vega, HPA...
With 800 euros for a good brand, you'll get your speakers, but they won't be necessarily very powerful. Then again, it depends on the future parties you want to have.... :)
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They don't look bad, the speakers :D, I was saying 800€, but if I have to spend double, I will. However, wouldn't the sound be better if I go for http://www.centralsono.com/3136-pack-delta-215-delta-218b-hpa-a3200-.html
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Okay, it's 4 to 5 times what I originally planned, but 5200w isn’t bad, right?-
It's too much XD Already mine, be careful I'm waking up the neighbors, but in a room or in a venue it's going very well. If you want, I can show you what it looks like on video ;)
But at first
that's what I wanted to get, or otherwise what you can do is take something like mine plus a delta 218 b (a real beast ^^) or 1 or 2 extra subwoofers because the highs and mids are really powerful :)
After buying my gaming PC, I will get this http://www.centralsono.com/3114-enceinte-passive-wharfedale-delta-18b.html
You can do the same as me if you want with a suitable HPA amplifier
http://www.centralsono.com/2057-sono-amplificateur-hpa-a3200.html that's the one I have and it seems to be around 700 watts at 8 ohms while the subwoofer does 800 :/
Or you can get this http://www.centralsono.com/2052-sono-amplificateur-hpa-a1400.html and connect it in mono bridge and I think that's what I'm going to do :) -
For the video, why not, but I don't think the quality through the video is terrible :S
As for the amplifiers, I think I've understood, but if your thing is 700 watts and the amplifier handles up to 1100 watts for 1, why wouldn't that be enough??
And also, is it possible to connect, for example, 1 speaker with 1 sub on the same amplifier??
I'm asking this question since I would like to set up (2 speakers + 1 amplifier) (1 enclosure 1 sub + 1 amplifier)
And also, is it necessary to have 2 subs or is 1 enough?
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Well, listen, you already have a hard time distinguishing between a subwoofer and speakers :)
A subwoofer is the resonance box that allows you to capture the vibrations, resonances, and frequencies of your sub. By the way, there are several styles of subwoofers. When you make one yourself, there are calculations to do, choices to make, etc. There are subwoofers with ramps and double ramps, double ports... You also have to choose the subwoofer itself. Haven't you noticed that some have strange shapes sometimes?
Look at the Delta 215 (the same as mine); at the back, there’s a special shape. The subwoofer isn't rectangular; it extends back, which helps to concentrate your sound waves even further in a room.
Small bonus: if you have a Hi-Fi system and find it doesn't have enough bass, position your speakers higher up ;)
As for the speakers, those are your drivers in slang; you choose them based on what you want to do with them ;)
You were telling me, "For the amps, I think I understood, but if your thing does 700 watts and the amp handles up to 1100 watts, why wouldn't it be enough??"
Of course, you'll manage in terms of power. The problem is that you'll pay more for an amp that runs at just over 50%. Plus, you won’t have peace of mind because imagine if you push your amp a bit too hard, and you lose your speakers :)
Furthermore, I’ll give you a piece of advice to start on a solid basis: an amp always works at full power! If your amp’s volume is at minimum or halfway, you shorten the lifespan of your amp. So, you need a suitable amp and a mixer to then adjust your sound as you want :)
However, please reformulate your questions properly, following the definitions I gave you (a subwoofer is a box, a speaker is a driver, but we can simplify the language or explanations like this: a speaker is a driver + a subwoofer, we can say it like that too).
I hope you understood me ^^
(I took 30 minutes to write this text while watching Wanted; I hope you won’t mind the mistakes XD)
And I hope you'll understand everything :p
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Yes, it is possible to connect one speaker and one subwoofer to a single amplifier. (In short, mixing two different objects on the same amplifier.)
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Actually, do you want to connect a speaker a bit like the Delta 215 and add a sub? If so, then logically yes, because you have two SpeakOn inputs at the back of the amp (not really recommended since you probably won't have the same power or impedance! Everything works in pairs or almost). It also depends on the power of the speaker and the subwoofer :p You calculate the watts you'll end up with (you need to use 2 speakers with the same impedance!) and then go for it, buddy :D
I suggest using 2 speakers (the same model) connected to a single amplifier, and next to that you should get a filter, a mixing console to distribute your sound as you like, an equalizer, and another amp to provide extra bass :)
Personally, I'm going to buy the subwoofer I showed you in the previous comment, 46 cm, be careful, and then I'll get a second one later :)
How many watts do you want?
Active or passive speakers?
For what kind of party (if you have any)?
If you have parties, how many people will be there? :p
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Ok ok,
So, I won't be able to answer your question why?
Because I have absolutely no idea about watts xD
Active or passive speakers, what's the difference by the way ^^'
And how many people will be there? Well... It depends actually, but I think a maximum of 150,
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^^ I suspected it
so second lesson :p
Passive speakers are speakers that require an external amplification source, meaning an amp outside the speaker
in contrast, active speakers do not need an amp because it is already built into the speaker, making it an independent speaker!
As for watts, it's quite a vague notion because there are speakers like the XLS series (215) from Cerwin Vega, the speakers will produce 700 watts and you'll have the output of a speaker that produces 1200 watts from another brand. JBL speakers are powerful; I have a friend who has 2 JBLs of 500 watts each and they blow more than mine, which I remind you produce 1000 watts each, so 2000 watts RMS
Anyway, for 150 people you can get speakers that make between 500 watts RMS to 700 watts RMS and that should be enough.
Be careful not to buy speakers imported from unknown Chinese warehouses that claim to be 500 watts max ^^ because in reality the speaker may be 250 watts RMS :) (I'm not criticizing the Chinese in their speaker manufacturing, that's why I added "unknown Chinese warehouse ;) )
You need to consider the power in RMS!
When you see a HiFi system that says 155 watts RMS, the RMS is an effective power! This means it produces 155 usable watts on average but can reach more than 155 watts; then we will talk about "peak" or "max" power ^^
The 155 watts can peak at 200 watts or more!
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for Magix Music Maker, you can get it from this site https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0094DX2JK/ref=asc_df_B0094DX2JK11635269/?tag=googlefrshopp-21&creative=22926&creativeASIN=B0094DX2JK&linkCode=asn
free shipping, enjoy it :)
what else do you want to know while we're at it? :)
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Sure, thanks for the site ;)
Otherwise, just to weigh the good and the bad of the DDJ-SX, what do you think are the negatives??
Because I've seen a lot of videos, reviews, etc. about the deck but there's always been positive feedback :S
Why would this deck be so perfect if it only costs 1000€
(even if that's already a good amount for the quality/price ratio it offers ... !!)
Why are there similar ones costing around 6000€ in separate parts?
(2 CDJ-2000 nexus and 1 DJM-2000 nexus)
Wouldn't it take an additional 5000€ just to have the option to mix REAL CDs? :X
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She is very very comprehensive and has everything a great one should have!
Nothing much to say!
Just one thing, go check it out, you're going to like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkCsM4Sgsg
This guy explains everything from A to Z, he helped me a lot! ;) -
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