Mes barrettes seraient elle incompatible?
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Bonjour les amis,
J'ai un petit probleme de mémoire!
J ai voulu redonner un petit coup de jeune à mon (vieux) laptop(FUDJITSU Amilo L6820) en remplacant mes barettes (x2) de 256mo par 2x 1Go(2GB DDR333 PC2700 DDR 333 PC 2700 2100 2 X 1GB MEM RAM). Resultat : Demarage avec ecran tout noir.....grrrrrr
Quelqu'un pourrait il m'eclairer sur ce coup la? siouplé!
Voici le compte rendu Everst de mon laptop, j espere que ca peut vous aider..
Mille merci pour votre aide.
Pierre.
Summary
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Computer:
Computer Type ACPI Uniprocessor PC (Mobile)
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name PILOUX-975A2B3D
User Name piloux
Logon Domain [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Date / Time 2009-01-13 / 12:16
Motherboard:
CPU Type Mobile Intel Celeron, 2500 MHz (25 x 100)
Motherboard Name FUJITSU SIEMENS Amilo L Series
Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale-G i845GEV
System Memory [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DIMM1: Samsung M3 68L3223DTM-CB3 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M3 68L3223DTM-CB3 [ TRIAL VERSION ]
BIOS Type AMI (11/07/03)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)
Display:
Video Adapter Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (64 MB)
3D Accelerator Intel Extreme Graphics
Monitor Digital Flat Panel (1024x768) (100012336)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter VIA VT1612A @ Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-0]
Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB
Disk Drive FUJITSU MHT2040AT (40 GB, 4200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive Slimtype COMBO LSC-24082K (DVD:8x, CD:24x/24x/24x DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK
Partitions:
C: (NTFS) [ TRIAL VERSION ]
D: (NTFS) 19994 MB (19899 MB free)
Total Size [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Input:
Keyboard PC/AT Enhanced PS/2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Network:
Primary IP Address [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Primary MAC Address 00-50-FC-D1-0D-96
Network Adapter National Semiconductor DP83815-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8180 Wireless LAN (Mini-)PCI NIC (192. [ TRIAL VERSION ])
Peripherals:
Printer hp psc 1100 series
FireWire Controller VIA VT6307 Fire IIM IEEE1394 Host Controller (PHY: VIA VT6307)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - Enhanced USB2 Controller [B-0]
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery
DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 1.02
DMI System Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
DMI System Product Amilo L Series
DMI System Version
DMI System Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI System UUID [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer Uniwill
DMI Motherboard Product 755II5
DMI Motherboard Version
DMI Motherboard Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
DMI Chassis Version
DMI Chassis Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Asset Tag [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Type Notebook
Computer Name
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Type Class Computer Name
Computer Comment Logical
NetBIOS Name Logical PILOUX-975A2B3D
DNS Host Name Logical piloux-975a2b3d
DNS Domain Name Logical
Fully Qualified DNS Name Logical piloux-975a2b3d
NetBIOS Name Physical PILOUX-975A2B3D
DNS Host Name Physical piloux-975a2b3d
DNS Domain Name Physical
Fully Qualified DNS Name Physical piloux-975a2b3d
DMI
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[ BIOS ]
BIOS Properties:
Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
Version 1.02
Release Date 11/07/2003
Size 512 KB
Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
Supported Standards DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
Expansion Capabilities ISA, PCI, AGP, USB
[ System ]
System Properties:
Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
Product Amilo L Series
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Universal Unique ID [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Wake-Up Type Power Switch
[ Motherboard ]
Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Uniwill
Product 755II5
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
[ Chassis ]
Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Asset Tag [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Chassis Type Notebook
Boot-Up State Safe
Power Supply State Safe
Thermal State Safe
Security Status None
[ Processors / Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz ]
Processor Properties:
Manufacturer Intel
Version Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz
Serial Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Part Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
External Clock 100 MHz
Maximum Clock 2500 MHz
Current Clock 2500 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 3.3 V, 2.9 V
Status Enabled
Upgrade Socket 423
Socket Designation CPU 1
[ Caches / L1-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Varies with Memory Address
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 8 KB
Installed Size 8 KB
Supported SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Current SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation L1-Cache
[ Caches / L2-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Varies with Memory Address
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 256 KB
Installed Size 256 KB
Supported SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Current SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation L2-Cache
[ Caches / L3-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Disabled
Maximum Size 0 KB
Installed Size 0 KB
Socket Designation L3-Cache
[ Memory Devices / DIMM0 ]
Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type SDRAM
Type Detail Synchronous
Size 256 MB
Total Width 64-bit
Data Width 72-bit
Device Locator DIMM0
Bank Locator BANK0
Manufacturer Manufacturer0
Serial Number SerNum0
Asset Tag AssetTagNum0
Part Number PartNum0
[ Memory Devices / DIMM1 ]
Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type SDRAM
Type Detail Synchronous
Size 256 MB
Total Width 64-bit
Data Width 72-bit
Device Locator DIMM1
Bank Locator BANK1
Manufacturer Manufacturer1
Serial Number SerNum1
Asset Tag AssetTagNum1
Part Number PartNum1
[ System Slots / AGP ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation AGP
Type AGP 4x
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Short
[ System Slots / PCI1 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI1
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Short
[ Port Connectors / PS2Mouse ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Mouse Port
Internal Reference Designator J1A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator PS2Mouse
External Connector Type PS/2
[ Port Connectors / Keyboard ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Keyboard Port
Internal Reference Designator J1A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator Keyboard
External Connector Type PS/2
[ Port Connectors / USB1 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type USB
Internal Reference Designator J2A2
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator USB1
External Connector Type USB
[ Port Connectors / USB2 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type USB
Internal Reference Designator J2A2
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator USB2
External Connector Type USB
[ Port Connectors / LPT 1 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Parallel Port ECP/EPP
Internal Reference Designator J4A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator LPT 1
External Connector Type DB-25 pin male
[ Port Connectors / COM A ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Serial Port 16550A Compatible
Internal Reference Designator J2A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator COM A
External Connector Type DB-9 pin male
[ Port Connectors / Audio Mic In ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Audio Port
Internal Reference Designator J6A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator Audio Mic In
External Connector Type Mini-jack (headphones)
J'ai un petit probleme de mémoire!
J ai voulu redonner un petit coup de jeune à mon (vieux) laptop(FUDJITSU Amilo L6820) en remplacant mes barettes (x2) de 256mo par 2x 1Go(2GB DDR333 PC2700 DDR 333 PC 2700 2100 2 X 1GB MEM RAM). Resultat : Demarage avec ecran tout noir.....grrrrrr
Quelqu'un pourrait il m'eclairer sur ce coup la? siouplé!
Voici le compte rendu Everst de mon laptop, j espere que ca peut vous aider..
Mille merci pour votre aide.
Pierre.
Summary
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Computer:
Computer Type ACPI Uniprocessor PC (Mobile)
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name PILOUX-975A2B3D
User Name piloux
Logon Domain [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Date / Time 2009-01-13 / 12:16
Motherboard:
CPU Type Mobile Intel Celeron, 2500 MHz (25 x 100)
Motherboard Name FUJITSU SIEMENS Amilo L Series
Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale-G i845GEV
System Memory [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DIMM1: Samsung M3 68L3223DTM-CB3 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M3 68L3223DTM-CB3 [ TRIAL VERSION ]
BIOS Type AMI (11/07/03)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)
Display:
Video Adapter Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (64 MB)
3D Accelerator Intel Extreme Graphics
Monitor Digital Flat Panel (1024x768) (100012336)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter VIA VT1612A @ Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-0]
Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 24CB
Disk Drive FUJITSU MHT2040AT (40 GB, 4200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive Slimtype COMBO LSC-24082K (DVD:8x, CD:24x/24x/24x DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK
Partitions:
C: (NTFS) [ TRIAL VERSION ]
D: (NTFS) 19994 MB (19899 MB free)
Total Size [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Input:
Keyboard PC/AT Enhanced PS/2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Network:
Primary IP Address [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Primary MAC Address 00-50-FC-D1-0D-96
Network Adapter National Semiconductor DP83815-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8180 Wireless LAN (Mini-)PCI NIC (192. [ TRIAL VERSION ])
Peripherals:
Printer hp psc 1100 series
FireWire Controller VIA VT6307 Fire IIM IEEE1394 Host Controller (PHY: VIA VT6307)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - USB Controller [B-0]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801DB ICH4 - Enhanced USB2 Controller [B-0]
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery
DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 1.02
DMI System Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
DMI System Product Amilo L Series
DMI System Version
DMI System Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI System UUID [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer Uniwill
DMI Motherboard Product 755II5
DMI Motherboard Version
DMI Motherboard Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
DMI Chassis Version
DMI Chassis Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Asset Tag [ TRIAL VERSION ]
DMI Chassis Type Notebook
Computer Name
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Type Class Computer Name
Computer Comment Logical
NetBIOS Name Logical PILOUX-975A2B3D
DNS Host Name Logical piloux-975a2b3d
DNS Domain Name Logical
Fully Qualified DNS Name Logical piloux-975a2b3d
NetBIOS Name Physical PILOUX-975A2B3D
DNS Host Name Physical piloux-975a2b3d
DNS Domain Name Physical
Fully Qualified DNS Name Physical piloux-975a2b3d
DMI
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ BIOS ]
BIOS Properties:
Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
Version 1.02
Release Date 11/07/2003
Size 512 KB
Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
Supported Standards DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
Expansion Capabilities ISA, PCI, AGP, USB
[ System ]
System Properties:
Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
Product Amilo L Series
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Universal Unique ID [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Wake-Up Type Power Switch
[ Motherboard ]
Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Uniwill
Product 755II5
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
[ Chassis ]
Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer FUJITSU SIEMENS
Serial Number [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Asset Tag [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Chassis Type Notebook
Boot-Up State Safe
Power Supply State Safe
Thermal State Safe
Security Status None
[ Processors / Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz ]
Processor Properties:
Manufacturer Intel
Version Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz
Serial Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Part Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
External Clock 100 MHz
Maximum Clock 2500 MHz
Current Clock 2500 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 3.3 V, 2.9 V
Status Enabled
Upgrade Socket 423
Socket Designation CPU 1
[ Caches / L1-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Varies with Memory Address
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 8 KB
Installed Size 8 KB
Supported SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Current SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation L1-Cache
[ Caches / L2-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Varies with Memory Address
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 256 KB
Installed Size 256 KB
Supported SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Current SRAM Type Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation L2-Cache
[ Caches / L3-Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Disabled
Maximum Size 0 KB
Installed Size 0 KB
Socket Designation L3-Cache
[ Memory Devices / DIMM0 ]
Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type SDRAM
Type Detail Synchronous
Size 256 MB
Total Width 64-bit
Data Width 72-bit
Device Locator DIMM0
Bank Locator BANK0
Manufacturer Manufacturer0
Serial Number SerNum0
Asset Tag AssetTagNum0
Part Number PartNum0
[ Memory Devices / DIMM1 ]
Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type SDRAM
Type Detail Synchronous
Size 256 MB
Total Width 64-bit
Data Width 72-bit
Device Locator DIMM1
Bank Locator BANK1
Manufacturer Manufacturer1
Serial Number SerNum1
Asset Tag AssetTagNum1
Part Number PartNum1
[ System Slots / AGP ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation AGP
Type AGP 4x
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Short
[ System Slots / PCI1 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI1
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Short
[ Port Connectors / PS2Mouse ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Mouse Port
Internal Reference Designator J1A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator PS2Mouse
External Connector Type PS/2
[ Port Connectors / Keyboard ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Keyboard Port
Internal Reference Designator J1A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator Keyboard
External Connector Type PS/2
[ Port Connectors / USB1 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type USB
Internal Reference Designator J2A2
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator USB1
External Connector Type USB
[ Port Connectors / USB2 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type USB
Internal Reference Designator J2A2
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator USB2
External Connector Type USB
[ Port Connectors / LPT 1 ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Parallel Port ECP/EPP
Internal Reference Designator J4A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator LPT 1
External Connector Type DB-25 pin male
[ Port Connectors / COM A ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Serial Port 16550A Compatible
Internal Reference Designator J2A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator COM A
External Connector Type DB-9 pin male
[ Port Connectors / Audio Mic In ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Audio Port
Internal Reference Designator J6A1
Internal Connector Type None
External Reference Designator Audio Mic In
External Connector Type Mini-jack (headphones)
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9 réponses
stl tes barrettes ne son absolument pas compatible tu as 2 génération d'avant avec tes barrette
yoanf26
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pour ton pc il y a corsair et kingston qui passe a 100%
salut
faut voit quel fréquences de RAM sont supportées par ta carte mère, tes barettes de 256 Mo, sont à 166 Mhz, celle que tu as acheté à 333 Mhz... donc, voir en fonction de ta carte mère, si elle supporte la PC2600
faut voit quel fréquences de RAM sont supportées par ta carte mère, tes barettes de 256 Mo, sont à 166 Mhz, celle que tu as acheté à 333 Mhz... donc, voir en fonction de ta carte mère, si elle supporte la PC2600
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d'aprés mes infos,sur ton pc,tu peux mettre 1go max dessus et tu n'as que deux slots sur ta carte mère.Il n'est pas compatible avec les barettes de 1 go et les ram en pc2700
Voici les barettes compatibles avec ta CM:
512MB SODIMM PC2100
256MB SODIMM PC2100
128MB SODIMM PC2100
Donc le max que tu peux mettre est 2x512mo en pc2100
d'aprés mes infos,sur ton pc,tu peux mettre 1go max dessus et tu n'as que deux slots sur ta carte mère.Il n'est pas compatible avec les barettes de 1 go et les ram en pc2700
Voici les barettes compatibles avec ta CM:
512MB SODIMM PC2100
256MB SODIMM PC2100
128MB SODIMM PC2100
Donc le max que tu peux mettre est 2x512mo en pc2100
voici ce que je t'ai trouvé
http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Memoires/2-Ordinateur-Portable/31771-AMILO-L-6820-desktop-memory.htm
http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Memoires/2-Ordinateur-Portable/31771-AMILO-L-6820-desktop-memory.htm
apparemment,on a pas les memes infos.Sur mon configurateur de ram,il me donne de la SODIMM.Et d'autres comme celui de yoanf26,de la simple DDR SDRAM.Logiquement et le plus souvent pour un portable s'est de la SODIMM.Déjà ca,c'est bizarre
Aprés plusieurs recherches sur plusieurs sites,le pc3200 est compatible et sur d'autres sites,non compatibles.
Le mieux c'est de nous donner la propriétés du bus mémoire avec everest pour avoir l'Horloge effective
Exemple pour un FUDJITSU Amilo L6820 que j'ai vu:
Propriétés du bus mémoire:
Type du bus DDR SDRAM
Largeur du bus 64 bits
Horloge réelle 133 MHz (DDR)
Horloge effective 267 MHz
Bande passante 2133 Mo/s
Aprés plusieurs recherches sur plusieurs sites,le pc3200 est compatible et sur d'autres sites,non compatibles.
Le mieux c'est de nous donner la propriétés du bus mémoire avec everest pour avoir l'Horloge effective
Exemple pour un FUDJITSU Amilo L6820 que j'ai vu:
Propriétés du bus mémoire:
Type du bus DDR SDRAM
Largeur du bus 64 bits
Horloge réelle 133 MHz (DDR)
Horloge effective 267 MHz
Bande passante 2133 Mo/s
T'inquiète.je trouves les memes infos que toi sur un autre configurateur de ram que j'ai l'habitude de me servir.Et apparemment,la pc2700 en DDR doit etre compatible avec son pc
Un grand merci a Yoan, Derby,Bernard et Raphy!
Ca fait vraiment plaisir de voir autant d'implication pour résoudre les problemes des autres.
Je n'ai pas tout decrypter mais le principal ; refourguer mes barettes pour d'autres que vous m'avez conseillé;
J'aurrai du me douter que mettre un carbu d'avion sur une mobylette ne l'aurrait pas fait avancer plus vite !lol!
Merci a tous pour votre temps et interet. Longue vie au forum.
Pierre.
Ca fait vraiment plaisir de voir autant d'implication pour résoudre les problemes des autres.
Je n'ai pas tout decrypter mais le principal ; refourguer mes barettes pour d'autres que vous m'avez conseillé;
J'aurrai du me douter que mettre un carbu d'avion sur une mobylette ne l'aurrait pas fait avancer plus vite !lol!
Merci a tous pour votre temps et interet. Longue vie au forum.
Pierre.
