Unpaired pairs on RJ45 cables

hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   -  
hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   -

Hello,

An electrician wired a network in my house like this (5 years ago):
The fiber arrival is redirected to a router (10/100/1000) that "distributes" internet to several RJ45 sockets in the house (the cables are all cat 6).

A few days ago, I wanted to check the continuity of the cables in order to identify the sockets on the router, but it turns out that the pairs are not respected at all.
For example, port 1 on one end is connected to port 7 on the other end and port 3 is connected to port 6 (but there are some correct ones, anyway), etc... and it's different for all the cables!!!

My question is as follows:
What is the impact on the quality of my connection?

Thanks in advance.


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brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   14 422
 

Hi,

When you talk about ports, I think you mean the positions on the RJ45?

If you connect 1 to 7, the cable simply won't work, whereas swapping 3 and 6 and vice versa shouldn't have any impact, the pair is still respected.

You can swap the order of the wires in a twisted pair, it doesn't change the operation.

What you should not do is unpair and even less connect a different point at each end with the same wire.


And there you go, here it is ....

But goodness, the spacing is so annoying!!

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hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   177
 

I am indeed talking about the colored wires that are not wired “normally.”

If we assume that the straight RJ45 cable is like in the photo, then mine look more like crossed cables but in a messy way!!!

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brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   14 422
 

Do the colored wires go well to the same place at both ends and properly follow their pair?

If we put the green pair in place of the brown pair, it looks messy, but it doesn't change the functioning.

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hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   177 > brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

No, it's actually wired haphazardly!!
For example, the brown wire in 8 is in 6 on the other side.

You say it doesn't change anything, but I doubt it because the crossover cable has a purpose that the straight cable doesn't have...

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brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   14 422 > hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 
 For example, the brown wire in 8 is in 6 on the other side.

This can't work ....

It could be that this is a crossed cable (double cross)

simple cross:

1 - 3

2 - 6

3 - 1

4 - 4

5 - 5

6 - 2

7 - 7

8 - 8

double cross:

1 - 3

2 - 6

3 - 1

4 - 7

5 - 8

6 - 2

7 - 4

8 - 5

Simple crossed cables were for 10/100 and doubles for some old gigabit switches.

But now gigabit ports are auto MDI/MDIX and automatically crossover or direct.

However, we never wire wall jacks as crossed, always straight.

I advise you to put everything back in place and run the tester again to check.

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hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   177 > brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

The examples of inversions I give may not be the real ones because I admit I don't remember the actual inversions (which I hadn't noted down anyway!)

Regarding what you say about auto MDI/MDIX switches, doesn't that mean that regardless of how the pairs are connected (whether done correctly or haphazardly), the switch "corrects" the error???

How can we tell if it is auto MDI/MDIX?

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brupala Posted messages 111947 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   14 422 > hebus888 Posted messages 851 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

Current gigabit switches all are, network cards too.

After that, they can't fix everything either, just the crossovers.

When you give examples, it's better if they are true, otherwise we are just talking into the void.

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Didi64_549 Posted messages 2761 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

Hello,

If you are on fiber optics, none, because it's the Wi-Fi that is taken into account.

Not RJ45 either, because your cable can be connected to any port.

It depends if there are multiple apartments and how they distinguish them for maintenance, if any.


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