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I was scammed by two people, a French intermediary in Paris who saw the sale of my house on leboncoin.fr. He put me in touch with an investor, supposedly very wealthy who had made millions in oil. Now he buys real estate and wants to buy my house. He resides in Torino, supposedly of Norwegian nationality, fictitious name? Edward Olsen, mother from Dubai, and he claims to have residence in Dubai as well. He asks me to come to Turin and we met his son, Adil, who asks me to prepare a cash payment of 135,000 Euros in small denominations because they supposedly work with gas stations. In return, the father promises to prepare double in large bills and the rest would be with my notary in Pays de Gex, France. He wanted to meet me in a hotel, the Torino Palace, but he trapped me on the street. The exchange takes place and he gives me fake 500 Euro bills in exchange for real 100 and 200 Euro bills. I filed a complaint with Interpol, the local police in Turin, and the gendarmerie in Pays de Gex. Another couple from Pays de Gex had been scammed by people using the same names.
HELLO
I just received the same offer!
I posted an ad on VIVASTREET almost a year ago to sell my house located in an overseas territory.
Last week, I received a message from a woman, in phonetic French, inviting me to contact her by phone as she was interested in my house.
To my surprise (first she speaks perfect French with hardly any accent); OH DIVINE SURPRISE! she doesn’t even want to see it, but to acquire it right away, as her "financial agent" has indicated it to her as a good investment (there are 2 rental apartments in addition to the villa and she could spend vacations there!?).
On the other hand, she asks me if I accept an under-the-table deal, assuring me that she will immediately pay me 10% upon signing the agreement.
The agreement will have to be signed in MILAN, as being pregnant with a difficult pregnancy, she cannot travel (and she cannot wait too long for the return of her absent financial agent for 3 months). The rest of the transaction will, of course, be handled by the notary I have chosen.
Additionally, she offers to increase the transaction by 5000 euros to cover my travel expenses.
Like anyone would, I immediately suspect something fishy: money laundering or the potential circulation of counterfeit bills under the table; I mention this to my notary who confirms that it’s a scam, but it’s so tempting that she tells me to ask her to put our notaries in touch.
I call her back, and she replies that the conditions cannot be discussed by phone and that I should let her know when I can come to MILAN, so that I can meet her "financial agent" (ah, he’s back!??).
Fortunately, I have read your messages and I am convinced that it’s a scam.
I will ask for the contact details of the various parties and to have them send me any proposed documents by fax for me to review.
I just received the same offer!
I posted an ad on VIVASTREET almost a year ago to sell my house located in an overseas territory.
Last week, I received a message from a woman, in phonetic French, inviting me to contact her by phone as she was interested in my house.
To my surprise (first she speaks perfect French with hardly any accent); OH DIVINE SURPRISE! she doesn’t even want to see it, but to acquire it right away, as her "financial agent" has indicated it to her as a good investment (there are 2 rental apartments in addition to the villa and she could spend vacations there!?).
On the other hand, she asks me if I accept an under-the-table deal, assuring me that she will immediately pay me 10% upon signing the agreement.
The agreement will have to be signed in MILAN, as being pregnant with a difficult pregnancy, she cannot travel (and she cannot wait too long for the return of her absent financial agent for 3 months). The rest of the transaction will, of course, be handled by the notary I have chosen.
Additionally, she offers to increase the transaction by 5000 euros to cover my travel expenses.
Like anyone would, I immediately suspect something fishy: money laundering or the potential circulation of counterfeit bills under the table; I mention this to my notary who confirms that it’s a scam, but it’s so tempting that she tells me to ask her to put our notaries in touch.
I call her back, and she replies that the conditions cannot be discussed by phone and that I should let her know when I can come to MILAN, so that I can meet her "financial agent" (ah, he’s back!??).
Fortunately, I have read your messages and I am convinced that it’s a scam.
I will ask for the contact details of the various parties and to have them send me any proposed documents by fax for me to review.
Hello,
I received the same offer as you. I listed my house for sale on VIVASTREET in a DOM, and within a week, I received this offer, even offering me €5,000 for my travel expenses to Italy and to settle the matters with my correspondent's notary. In fact, I only have her name, ELISA, and her phone number 00393891041123. That being said, she is still waiting for my response since I told her I would discuss it with my husband. This story is incredible.
I hope many people will read these messages and won't fall into the trap. I can tell you that I didn't sense the scam right away; I was so happy to find a buyer, but after discussing it with my husband, we ended up finding it all suspicious, especially buying a house without seeing it; it seemed a bit much.
Best regards
I received the same offer as you. I listed my house for sale on VIVASTREET in a DOM, and within a week, I received this offer, even offering me €5,000 for my travel expenses to Italy and to settle the matters with my correspondent's notary. In fact, I only have her name, ELISA, and her phone number 00393891041123. That being said, she is still waiting for my response since I told her I would discuss it with my husband. This story is incredible.
I hope many people will read these messages and won't fall into the trap. I can tell you that I didn't sense the scam right away; I was so happy to find a buyer, but after discussing it with my husband, we ended up finding it all suspicious, especially buying a house without seeing it; it seemed a bit much.
Best regards
I just listed my house on Vivastreet last week and someone from Italy contacted me saying they were interested because their financial advisor found the price correct. They gave us their phone number so we could call them back to organize a meeting in Milan as soon as possible. Of course, they would pay my travel expenses and give me 5000 Euros, and that the transaction would take place at a notary of my choice. Strange - no one is coming to visit the property???? I understood right away it was a scam.
Good evening,
I am joining this rather scary forum because I have just been contacted by email by a certain Mr. Christian Aligrer, who claims to be an agent for diamond investors who have 7 to 8 million euros to invest, particularly in houses that they would buy, rent out, and sell for a profit.... This gentleman saw my ad on Le Bon Coin and is asking me to send details in response about the house (why not, in principle!...) Having left me his contact information, I called him back, and he asked me if I am the sole owner of this house, whether his investors are negotiating the price, it is possible to pay a part "like that," and he especially indicates that he is based in Strasbourg and that one of his investors is currently in Nice and would like to meet me, but does not want to visit the house right away to see if we can "agree on the terms" beforehand!
At first, I thought, like some suggested in previous messages, about money laundering, but I rather think, it’s true one had to think about it, but to be honest, one must be a "scammer at heart" to hand over fake bills under the table, but what about the papers at the notary (in cases where, as you say, poor people could be scammed by this system! going all the way) if one is given a bank check (aside from those from Africa, which I understood one should be wary of)
Are there "real fake bank checks"? that a notary would not detect?
All this sends shivers down my spine, imagine going to a meeting set up alone, being kidnapped, forced to sign papers... Well, I’ll stop my paranoia, but still.....
Do you have any other information on this type of scam? - By the way, I forgot to mention that a few months ago my husband was contacted by another Italian investor who wanted to bring him over there (I just discovered that this is "quite common") but he replied that if the house interested him, he could come over....
I am joining this rather scary forum because I have just been contacted by email by a certain Mr. Christian Aligrer, who claims to be an agent for diamond investors who have 7 to 8 million euros to invest, particularly in houses that they would buy, rent out, and sell for a profit.... This gentleman saw my ad on Le Bon Coin and is asking me to send details in response about the house (why not, in principle!...) Having left me his contact information, I called him back, and he asked me if I am the sole owner of this house, whether his investors are negotiating the price, it is possible to pay a part "like that," and he especially indicates that he is based in Strasbourg and that one of his investors is currently in Nice and would like to meet me, but does not want to visit the house right away to see if we can "agree on the terms" beforehand!
At first, I thought, like some suggested in previous messages, about money laundering, but I rather think, it’s true one had to think about it, but to be honest, one must be a "scammer at heart" to hand over fake bills under the table, but what about the papers at the notary (in cases where, as you say, poor people could be scammed by this system! going all the way) if one is given a bank check (aside from those from Africa, which I understood one should be wary of)
Are there "real fake bank checks"? that a notary would not detect?
All this sends shivers down my spine, imagine going to a meeting set up alone, being kidnapped, forced to sign papers... Well, I’ll stop my paranoia, but still.....
Do you have any other information on this type of scam? - By the way, I forgot to mention that a few months ago my husband was contacted by another Italian investor who wanted to bring him over there (I just discovered that this is "quite common") but he replied that if the house interested him, he could come over....
Yes, of course, the same problem happened to my sister, but it was in Spain. The photocopies indeed come from a notary. My sister contacted her notary, and for him, everything was normal. The only difference when she told me about it and I saw the documents was that they were asking her for €4,500 to supposedly pay the notary fees, and she would be reimbursed upon signing in France. To get more information, she had to call a phone number, but it was in Belgium.
I told her to forget it, that it was definitely a scam, which of course remained unanswered.
I told her to forget it, that it was definitely a scam, which of course remained unanswered.
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