Difference between Project Manager and Business Analyst
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Dexter
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Hello,
I wasn't quite sure where to post this question in the long list of forums, sorry if I got it wrong...
So everything is in the title
What do you think is the difference between a project manager and a project owner assistant???
I am currently doing an internship, I am responsible for a website under development, for my supervisor I am the web project manager and I describe myself more as a project owner assistant.
I have redefined the specifications, participated in meetings with the project management team, I have relationships with both parties to define the progress of the project, I have created the test plan. I will likely be doing the acceptance testing and maybe a little user training.
So could you please tell me if I am a web project manager or a project owner assistant.
Best regards
Dexter
I wasn't quite sure where to post this question in the long list of forums, sorry if I got it wrong...
So everything is in the title
What do you think is the difference between a project manager and a project owner assistant???
I am currently doing an internship, I am responsible for a website under development, for my supervisor I am the web project manager and I describe myself more as a project owner assistant.
I have redefined the specifications, participated in meetings with the project management team, I have relationships with both parties to define the progress of the project, I have created the test plan. I will likely be doing the acceptance testing and maybe a little user training.
So could you please tell me if I am a web project manager or a project owner assistant.
Best regards
Dexter
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Hello,
Having held all these positions throughout my career, here is my perspective.
The MOA (also known as the project sponsor) is the one who expresses a need (I want a website that does this/that, etc.) and pays for it.
The project manager writes, in technical terms, the expressed needs, monitors the project's progress, coordinates actions, conducts testing, etc.
The AMOA is something else.
It is a person who supports the MOA in their tasks (hence ASSISTANT to project ownership)
This is typically a senior consultant who helps a junior MOA by guiding them on phases, calls for tender, monitoring, deliverables, etc.
According to your description, you are only a project manager.
Knowing that the term "project manager" means that you have the responsibility for the technical translation of the functional needs expressed by the MOA.
Whether or not you have a team, it remains the same.
Then, we sometimes distinguish between "technical project manager" (who gets hands-on with the code) and "functional project manager" (who only monitors teams, reporting, budget tracking, etc., which is already no small feat).
Best regards,
Olivier
Having held all these positions throughout my career, here is my perspective.
The MOA (also known as the project sponsor) is the one who expresses a need (I want a website that does this/that, etc.) and pays for it.
The project manager writes, in technical terms, the expressed needs, monitors the project's progress, coordinates actions, conducts testing, etc.
The AMOA is something else.
It is a person who supports the MOA in their tasks (hence ASSISTANT to project ownership)
This is typically a senior consultant who helps a junior MOA by guiding them on phases, calls for tender, monitoring, deliverables, etc.
According to your description, you are only a project manager.
Knowing that the term "project manager" means that you have the responsibility for the technical translation of the functional needs expressed by the MOA.
Whether or not you have a team, it remains the same.
Then, we sometimes distinguish between "technical project manager" (who gets hands-on with the code) and "functional project manager" (who only monitors teams, reporting, budget tracking, etc., which is already no small feat).
Best regards,
Olivier
So... in the realization of an IT project, there are several stakeholders corresponding to the phases of the project:
- the Business Owner (MOA), who decides what the final IT system should do,
- the Technical Owner (MOE), who develops the IT system according to the wishes of the Business Owner,
- the Assistant to the Business Owner (AMOA), who assists the Business Owner in determining and formulating their needs (in the form of a needs statement, specifications document, specifications...) and/or carries out the acceptance phase. They are the intermediaries between the Business Owner and the Technical Owner.
A project manager is simply the one who oversees a mission (manages resources, deadlines, etc.). The mission can be the determination and formulation of needs (AMOA project manager), development (MOE project manager)...
So you are the AMOA project manager.
- the Business Owner (MOA), who decides what the final IT system should do,
- the Technical Owner (MOE), who develops the IT system according to the wishes of the Business Owner,
- the Assistant to the Business Owner (AMOA), who assists the Business Owner in determining and formulating their needs (in the form of a needs statement, specifications document, specifications...) and/or carries out the acceptance phase. They are the intermediaries between the Business Owner and the Technical Owner.
A project manager is simply the one who oversees a mission (manages resources, deadlines, etc.). The mission can be the determination and formulation of needs (AMOA project manager), development (MOE project manager)...
So you are the AMOA project manager.
Hello,
If you are developing the website, you are getting much closer to the role of project manager than that of a business analyst. A business analyst does not get involved in operational tasks; they assist the project owner in carrying out these tasks.
Best regards.
If you are developing the website, you are getting much closer to the role of project manager than that of a business analyst. A business analyst does not get involved in operational tasks; they assist the project owner in carrying out these tasks.
Best regards.
The project manager is not necessarily a project owner (MOE), there are simply project managers who are project stakeholders (MOA).
More often, the title of project manager corresponds to a project stakeholder (MOA). Of course, some people, as soon as they oversee other people or manage on their own, demand the title of project manager...
There is no true assistant to the project stakeholder (AMOA) role; we speak of support services for project ownership, but definitely not an assistant to project ownership (even though it is widely used).
In conclusion, we use project manager / project leader for project stakeholders (MOA).
More often, the title of project manager corresponds to a project stakeholder (MOA). Of course, some people, as soon as they oversee other people or manage on their own, demand the title of project manager...
There is no true assistant to the project stakeholder (AMOA) role; we speak of support services for project ownership, but definitely not an assistant to project ownership (even though it is widely used).
In conclusion, we use project manager / project leader for project stakeholders (MOA).
Hello,
To respond to Arth, it really does come across as pompous, but that's how it is,
it's just a term to refer to a job or function.
In big projects, these people are useful for coordinating actions.
But if you go down that path, we need to review all the terms for all professions, .... but that won't stop some people from taking themselves seriously,.... and others from doing their job properly.
Minister of Culture for a guy who supports Hadopi and doesn't even know what it means, do you think that's serious???? ;-), .... but this time it's with your money.
Well, that's not all, but I'm looking for a project manager position..... ;-)
Ag
To respond to Arth, it really does come across as pompous, but that's how it is,
it's just a term to refer to a job or function.
In big projects, these people are useful for coordinating actions.
But if you go down that path, we need to review all the terms for all professions, .... but that won't stop some people from taking themselves seriously,.... and others from doing their job properly.
Minister of Culture for a guy who supports Hadopi and doesn't even know what it means, do you think that's serious???? ;-), .... but this time it's with your money.
Well, that's not all, but I'm looking for a project manager position..... ;-)
Ag
I still think they are quite useful for successfully carrying out projects; otherwise, it would be chaos if everyone did whatever they wanted without being accountable for what they come up with...
Afterwards, I respect your opinion even though I disagree.
But that doesn't solve my understanding problem.. :)
Afterwards, I respect your opinion even though I disagree.
But that doesn't solve my understanding problem.. :)
Hi Dexter, I think you're playing the roles of both Project Manager and Business Analyst.
The role of the Business Analyst in a project is to express needs and provide the means to achieve them (basically pay) and in the end, to check if these objectives have been met.
The Project Manager's mission is to ensure that the Technical Management delivers the right product, within the deadlines and resources agreed upon with the Business Analyst. Their job consists of coordinating and managing all these people to complete the project.
Since you are involved in project monitoring with the Technical Management and at the same time you are creating specs and conducting tests, I would say that you are currently fulfilling both roles.
The role of the Business Analyst in a project is to express needs and provide the means to achieve them (basically pay) and in the end, to check if these objectives have been met.
The Project Manager's mission is to ensure that the Technical Management delivers the right product, within the deadlines and resources agreed upon with the Business Analyst. Their job consists of coordinating and managing all these people to complete the project.
Since you are involved in project monitoring with the Technical Management and at the same time you are creating specs and conducting tests, I would say that you are currently fulfilling both roles.
Hi,
Well, am I really all that??? Me, who doesn't do much, finding myself as a business analyst and project manager lol
I’m just joking, but thank you very much, I think your explanations will be very helpful in understanding my role and during my internship defense. I’ll keep them in mind.
Have a great day! ++
Well, am I really all that??? Me, who doesn't do much, finding myself as a business analyst and project manager lol
I’m just joking, but thank you very much, I think your explanations will be very helpful in understanding my role and during my internship defense. I’ll keep them in mind.
Have a great day! ++
Perfectly agree with Lys.
Except that the project manager of a small team does more than just oversee; otherwise, they would be very bored.
A project manager in a functional role can participate in drafting test specifications, and a project manager can be involved in development, configuring applications in production, ...
For me, you're clearly in a functional role.
Except that the project manager of a small team does more than just oversee; otherwise, they would be very bored.
A project manager in a functional role can participate in drafting test specifications, and a project manager can be involved in development, configuring applications in production, ...
For me, you're clearly in a functional role.
Dexter:
What do you see as the difference between a project manager and a project management assistant???
A project manager or a PMA:
What do you see as the difference between a project manager and a project management assistant???
What do you see as the difference between a project manager and a project management assistant???
A project manager or a PMA:
What do you see as the difference between a project manager and a project management assistant???
Moreover, in this nice table there should also be an AAMOA, to support the assistant, and there aren't enough people paid to do nothing or to do their job poorly.
Oh dear ...
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The wolf, solitary and mysterious.
Oh dear ...
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The wolf, solitary and mysterious.
The specifications document represents the need.
The project manager, on the other hand, writes the technical specifications for his teams (potentially detailed functional specifications with client approval), which must respond to the specifications document. But he does not modify the specifications document! At best, he comments on it and negotiates.
So there is indeed a small AMOA part in the described work, if it is indeed the specifications document that is being modified.
Xavier