Socotel S63 on SFR box

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jeannets Posted messages 28331 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   -

Good evening, I would like to know if the Socotel S63 can make calls with my SFR box 7. I have difficulty finding information on the internet, but from what I've gathered, this type of phone can receive calls and can communicate normally, but for outgoing calls, it depends on the boxes. Generally, I found that it only works for SFR. Otherwise, a converter is needed for other incompatible boxes, but for SFR, I don't know if one is needed or if SFR boxes recognize the pulses.

Thank you for the information. TEST and REVIEW of the SFR BOX 7: Fiber at the best value for money

Here is my SFR box 7 in the photo below.

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jeannets Posted messages 28331 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   Ambassadeur 6 597
 

Hello,

No, you shouldn't use the S63 in pulse mode on internet BOXes... It's simple, the pulses create voltage spikes in the digital circuits and it damages them quickly... and if you're spotted, you could get into trouble. No extra loud ringing either.

Moreover, the corresponding exchanges no longer exist...

It's better to buy a set of cordless phones like "Trio or Quatro" and distribute them around your house as needed; it's much more reliable (you can find the whole set for under €100).

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Phono57 Posted messages 2 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   3
 

Hello.

The S63 SOCOTEL can have three types of dial for numbering:

1) The mechanical dial: it's a decimal emission, it is incompatible with numbering on most Boxes.

2) The decimal key keypad: (keypad) also incompatible with most Boxes.

3) The DTMF key keypad: (keypad, Voice frequency emission) is compatible with all Boxes.

To find out if your Box is compatible with a mechanical or key dial, you should inquire with your service provider or better, test it yourself by connecting the device to the Box and performing a dialing test (for this, use a Gigogne/RJ11 adapter).

There is no risk to the Box by connecting an old key or dial phone to it.

With a key phone: If you hear a frequency when dialing that's OK, it is using voice frequencies and is compatible with the Box. If you hear "Tac - Tac," that's not good, it's a decimal keypad. Keypads that have "R" and "T" keys are decimal, those that have "*" and "#" keys can be either one or the other, to be tested...

To operate a SOCOTEL S63 (or other U43) with a mechanical dial, you need to add a converter that will transform the decimal cutting into voice frequencies.

There are several types of converters that are more or less easy to install and with results that are not always satisfactory (coming from abroad and therefore not specifically designed for the S63, U43). I recommend the converter type IMPULSOPHONE which has proven itself on SOCOTEL (also compatible with U43), and is available for sale on eBay.

It should be noted that a key phone in decimal is not compatible, to my knowledge, with any converter currently on the market.

Best regards.

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val
 

Good evening,

would the phones with decimal buttons not be transformable?

And unusable for transmission on a Freebox?

:(

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jeannets Posted messages 28331 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   6 597 > val
 

Hello,

yes, indeed... this model is quite old... and its buttons only replicate the impulses of the old dial...

For Internet Box versions, you absolutely need models with "Voice Frequencies"...

The "Trio" models around €60 are quite common... and a simple wired model is available at "Leclerc" for €15...!!!

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373
 

Hello,

A connected S63 to a box can very well receive calls, but is unable to make a call. (I have never heard of a box being destroyed due to connecting a pulse telephone)

It used to work on pulses and we switched to voice frequency for dialing a long time ago (mid-80s).

To be able to make a call, it needs to be converted from pulses to voice frequency.
By using circuits like "Rotatone" or "Pulse to tone" or DTMF converters, we can transform an S63 to make it compatible with a box.

This issue has been discussed many times here:
https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/s/telephonie-fixe-283/user%3Abaladur13+rotatone

The problem today is probably finding these circuits on the market. Here is one:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001371778226.html

Note: some S63 models, the less old ones, had a switch underneath allowing the switch from pulses to voice frequency, check yours.


Very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room.
Especially when it isn't there...

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Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

Thank you for your response! Well, if my box is compatible with the pulses, that's great and it will be more economical!

(Some are compatible, it has already been proven in several videos) or I will need one of those converters, but I don't know if it's easy to install. Then there are websites selling this dial model with a converter already installed, and these phones are refurbished, but they are much more expensive.

We'll see!

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Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

Maybe with a casing that converts impulses into digital signals, this problem could be avoided.

I was wondering about this question because I had seen these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmADkCK6ck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pULLVHqtsq8

Thank you very much! I'm quite nostalgic lol, I already have a cordless DECT. But with an S63 but not the dial with the numeric keypad I think it could work.

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quentin2121 Posted messages 9063 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   1 311
 

Good evening,

And would a Socotel 63 work with an SFR NB6V box, and with what adjustments?

With this ?

Or with this ?

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > quentin2121 Posted messages 9063 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

The model or brand of the box doesn't matter... The S63 rotary phone needs to be converted to voice frequencies.

For the transformation see message 3

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quentin2121 Posted messages 9063 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   1 311 > baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention  
 

With a DTMF converter like in message 5, do the two wires come out of the phone jack?

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > quentin2121 Posted messages 9063 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention  
 

Yes, these are two wires from the cable going into the phone.

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jeannets Posted messages 28331 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   6 597 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

I think we need to be careful and check what is coming out of this phone... before plugging it into a BOX.

Because these types of dials, with a numeric keypad, had a standardized shape and could be mounted on other telephone sets... including hotels and similar... and some keyboards reproduced the impulses or vocal frequencies, as needed.

So be cautious... A keyboard could emit impulses..

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373
 

It's not a question of incompatibility between the box and the phone; the incompatibility lies with the telephone network that has abandoned the pulse dialing system for over 30 years.

As for the installation... it should be relatively simple.

Connect two wires from the phone on one side and a telephone cable RJ11/RJ11 on the other.


Very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room.
Especially when it's not there...

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

Not all keyboard users are necessarily in vocal frequencies.
The first ones to emerge were always impulse-based, then there surely were those with a switch allowing for selection and perhaps, I cannot affirm this, models that only used vocal frequencies.

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

That's not what Wikipedia says

S63 appeared in 1963 and the decimal numbering appeared in 1978

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

Excerpt from the Wikipedia link

Starting from 1978, the phones benefit from a new evolution with the incorporation of a new adjustable ring tone and an anti-squeal system when connecting multiple phones in parallel. The first versions of the push-button dialing appeared the same year before being rolled out starting in 1981 alongside the rotary dial version. It is during this period that the French telephone network completes its automation. The model with dual-tone multi-frequency DTMF began to be distributed in 1982.

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

There are those with a switch accessible under the device

On the other hand, what about those only on Vocal frequencies? I don't know if this can be determined from the reference written under the device.

However, once connected, it can be quickly determined by trying to dial
see https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-34433758-socotel-s63-sur-free#3

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baladur13 Posted messages 47552 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 373 > Lucas2b1705 Posted messages 15 Status Membre
 

OK... So the first one needs a modification, the second one can be used without any problem by switching to Voice frequencies

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