Real Estate Scam in Italy
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An Italian is offering to buy it to create an Italian restaurant....
He tells me he will call me from London, and he proposes to buy it through my notary with a cash arrangement.
To keep it simple, he asks me to meet him in Turin this Thursday 03/06 to discuss it.
That was the day before yesterday.
He says he will call me back.
Indeed, around noon today he calls me to confirm the appointment, but he likely won't be able to attend; however, I shouldn't worry because his son will come... it's the same.
Appointment set in a bar on Thursday around 11:30 AM.
This smells like a scam......
I sent him a text to cancel ...
But actually, my question is:
What’s the scam....?
Can someone explain it to me...???
5 answers
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Hello,
the rip-deal (a bad transaction in French). This type of scam is based on a breach of trust. Traditionally, a buyer or seller earns the victim's trust, shows interest, and proposes to pay part of the amount under the table (in cash) to evade taxes. The scammer then wants to exchange the money (often paid in foreign currencies like Swiss francs) for euros. The victim then leaves with counterfeit bills. And more often than not, this takes place in a luxury hotel.
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Best regards,
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Hello
in agreement with Jordane45 and as you say it stinks of trouble, ask him to get in touch with your notary and refuse any cash transaction; first of all, it's illegal and secondly, you risk a tax audit! -
Hello,
I am joining this forum because I was contacted by phone by a certain "Mr. Edouard and Alexander Dalmar" who claim to be diamond investors looking to place 7 to 8 million Swiss francs, notably in houses that they would buy, rent, and sell... This gentleman saw my ad on Anibis.ch and is asking me to send details in response about the property (why not in itself!...). Having left his contact details, I called him back and they do not negotiate the price and ask to pay part of it "under the table" and especially he tells me that he is based in Turin and would like to meet me but does not want to visit the property right away to see if we can "agree on the terms" beforehand!
I go down to Turin for the first time, he gives me an address to meet on a terrace where we talk. Once trust is established, the so-called son of the diamond dealer present on site leaves for 5 minutes on foot and comes back with an impressive sum of money to convince you of these numerous dealings with Swiss clients. He offers you to verify that his money is indeed real and this person makes you doubt on the phone about this money and its origin. His father, the boss of this scam, contacts him multiple times during the meeting to know what is going on. In fact, only to be sure that you are indeed naive and that the scam can proceed. These people communicate in Italian but speak French very well. I wait 2-3 days before giving updates to this gentleman.
After careful consideration, I decide to go down for the second meeting to finalize the sale and he asks me to bring a large sum of cash to change his large Swiss bills. He schedules a meeting on a new terrace, the father insists on staying on the phone to keep him informed, and the son asks to see the money, I was very reluctant about this. The son snatches the bag with the money inside and leaves. A car was waiting for him at the corner of the street, I couldn't do anything.
SO BE CAREFUL IF YOU OWN: real estate, a vehicle, gold, watches, or any valuable item.
He presents himself as a person aged 70-80 years and I can confirm that he is indeed an elderly person at the head of this network, so if you need information, do not hesitate to contact me. He lures you in by informing you that he will cover your transportation costs with 2000 Swiss francs and that he cannot come to Switzerland for various reasons.
THE MONEY IS REAL, IT IS ONLY STOLEN MONEY. -
They made me exchange my money for gold and stole everything from me. It's a Jewish Belgian who claims to be a financier and lives in Turin. He was working for a 72-year-old Irishman and his son there. It broke me. I should have gone back to Turin to find him. I should write to the Corriere or another newspaper. !!!.
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Hello,
how can you recognize a "Jewish Belgian", no doubt he has presented an authentic identity card attesting to his nationality and wore a Kippah (not the most discreet thing for a trick where the fewer "distinctive signs" one has, the better off one is unless of course it’s part of a costume to better deceive the enemy)?
The territorially competent police (Italian, therefore) are certainly aware, if he has not been arrested, it is because no one has been able to get their hands on him, if he is not of Italian nationality and is only there for his misdeeds, there is a reason...
And of course, filing a complaint is delicate, one must demonstrate the materiality of the facts (if one had a briefcase of cash on oneself, why, how much) and one is ipso facto acknowledging guilt, even if the money "in exchange" were real, of tax fraud and complicity in money laundering of tax fraud not to mention the non-declaration at customs of these amounts, punishable by a fine of 50% of the considered sum.
If there is under the table, it goes from the buyer to the seller, not the other way around, one has to be completely naïve to consider handing over or "exchanging" funds with the buyer under these conditions, one finds oneself punished for one’s own foolishness or one’s own greed.
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I will report and have reported by all means to the Police of the countries, Europe, websites, etc!!!
I received a call from an Italian
+393533984764 regarding the purchase of my house from a man who spoke French without an accent, but he seemed to be rather of North African descent or his "type". The already third question, after just and ONLY 2 other questions about the house, was: do you accept "under the table" money and the fourth: "can I come to Milan?" I refused, because it is clear that this is not how a buyer behaves, the real estate is in France and why should I have to go etc? After my refusal, I was waiting for explanations and wanted to ask questions at least, but all I got was goodbye and he hung up. There was no way to call back, no number on Viber or WhatsApp! I just wanted to understand the mechanisms of scams and have more information for the report, but he is not reachable...
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Hello there,
This remains a scam and it will simply be a "wild goose chase" if you insist on filing a report.
Phone numbers are generally for one-time use. There’s no way to trace back to the source; you don’t have the resources that the Police or Gendarmerie have to do that.
In my opinion, give up your search.
Hello
A magnificent attempt at a classic 'Rip Deal' (Very dangerous!!).
Rip deal — Wikipedia (wikipedia.org)
See you later
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