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Hello everyone,
I'm having a bit of trouble finding a solution to my parents' problem.
They have a large house (250m2) and during the installation, the electrician placed the box very poorly (at one end of the house and locked in a closet).
It's impossible to move it, and of course, there is no WiFi throughout the house, which is annoying since the 4G network isn't very good.
I would like to install a WiFi repeater for them, but with the constraint that to facilitate daily use, I would prefer there to be only one SSID for the whole house.
Is there a solution that allows me to add a repeater that could use the SSID and password of the box, all within a budget of around fifty euros?
Thank you in advance.
I'm having a bit of trouble finding a solution to my parents' problem.
They have a large house (250m2) and during the installation, the electrician placed the box very poorly (at one end of the house and locked in a closet).
It's impossible to move it, and of course, there is no WiFi throughout the house, which is annoying since the 4G network isn't very good.
I would like to install a WiFi repeater for them, but with the constraint that to facilitate daily use, I would prefer there to be only one SSID for the whole house.
Is there a solution that allows me to add a repeater that could use the SSID and password of the box, all within a budget of around fifty euros?
Thank you in advance.
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Hi!
For about fifty euros, there aren't too many solutions.
Either:
- Install a repeater (preferably with an Ethernet cable to place it far from the box for better performance) you can use the same SSID as the box, but devices will not switch automatically; they will select the access point only at the moment of connection. If you move away, the devices won't switch to the closest access point but will maintain the connection to the initial AP. A basic repeater costs around 30 euros.
- Install a MESH system and disable the Wifi of the box: with a unique SSID (87 euros for 3 units Tenda Nova
Simple operation, you connect one unit to the box via Ethernet (which will also emit Wifi near the box) and you place the other two around the house. Devices will connect and switch to the closest access point in real time.
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TheBledard
For about fifty euros, there aren't too many solutions.
Either:
- Install a repeater (preferably with an Ethernet cable to place it far from the box for better performance) you can use the same SSID as the box, but devices will not switch automatically; they will select the access point only at the moment of connection. If you move away, the devices won't switch to the closest access point but will maintain the connection to the initial AP. A basic repeater costs around 30 euros.
- Install a MESH system and disable the Wifi of the box: with a unique SSID (87 euros for 3 units Tenda Nova
Simple operation, you connect one unit to the box via Ethernet (which will also emit Wifi near the box) and you place the other two around the house. Devices will connect and switch to the closest access point in real time.
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TheBledard
Yes, I think I will go for the Tenda, simply for the price/performance ratio.
I will give feedback and close this when I have tried the solution for a few days.
Thanks again, have a great holiday yourself too. ;)
I will give feedback and close this when I have tried the solution for a few days.
Thanks again, have a great holiday yourself too. ;)
Hi,
They have a large house (250m2), and during the installation, the electrician placed the box very poorly (at one end of the house and locked in a closet).
It is not the electrician's role to place the box; he installs the communication cabinet in the location designated by the architect, that's all.
And it's the box's place to be installed at the communication cabinet.
If the box is at this cabinet, it's probably because there are RJ45 sockets installed everywhere to connect devices via ethernet network.
The good idea is therefore to install one or two wifi access points on wall-mounted RJ45 sockets if we want additional wifi for mobile devices throughout.
I find it hard to believe that one cannot invest more than €50 in a decent wifi network to cover a house when one has a 250 m² home, which does indicate a certain financial comfort.
If you don't have wall-mounted RJ45 sockets connected to the main panel, then it's indeed necessary to supplement the box with a mesh wifi system; in this case, the Tenda Nova is a good choice, relatively economical compared to other equivalent systems.
It's Chinese, but they all are...
One cannot rely on a box to cover an entire house of this size with wifi; they are increasingly insufficient at this level except in a two-room apartment, so the FAI customer must take charge if he wants a network that suits him.
They have a large house (250m2), and during the installation, the electrician placed the box very poorly (at one end of the house and locked in a closet).
It is not the electrician's role to place the box; he installs the communication cabinet in the location designated by the architect, that's all.
And it's the box's place to be installed at the communication cabinet.
If the box is at this cabinet, it's probably because there are RJ45 sockets installed everywhere to connect devices via ethernet network.
The good idea is therefore to install one or two wifi access points on wall-mounted RJ45 sockets if we want additional wifi for mobile devices throughout.
I find it hard to believe that one cannot invest more than €50 in a decent wifi network to cover a house when one has a 250 m² home, which does indicate a certain financial comfort.
If you don't have wall-mounted RJ45 sockets connected to the main panel, then it's indeed necessary to supplement the box with a mesh wifi system; in this case, the Tenda Nova is a good choice, relatively economical compared to other equivalent systems.
It's Chinese, but they all are...
One cannot rely on a box to cover an entire house of this size with wifi; they are increasingly insufficient at this level except in a two-room apartment, so the FAI customer must take charge if he wants a network that suits him.
In fact, my dad is a bricklayer and he asked advice from his electrician who told him that the best place for the box would be next to the computer in the office (which is connected via RJ45 since there are indeed sockets all over the house). So, in this case, it’s really the electrician who defined the location of the box, even though it’s not really his area.
As for the story about the €50, it’s simply because it's not a priority for them, even though my mom complains about her WiFi every time I go over there (twice a year, I live on the other side of France).
My initial idea was to place WiFi repeaters, but it needs to be very simple to use and there should only be one SSID, with devices able to connect automatically to the best one.
They are not tech-savvy at all, and it really needs to be such that once I’ve set up the thing for them, they shouldn’t have to worry about anything, except for having the WiFi password written somewhere so they don’t forget it.
As for the story about the €50, it’s simply because it's not a priority for them, even though my mom complains about her WiFi every time I go over there (twice a year, I live on the other side of France).
My initial idea was to place WiFi repeaters, but it needs to be very simple to use and there should only be one SSID, with devices able to connect automatically to the best one.
They are not tech-savvy at all, and it really needs to be such that once I’ve set up the thing for them, they shouldn’t have to worry about anything, except for having the WiFi password written somewhere so they don’t forget it.
The box,
it's properly located in the communication cabinet, like this:
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It's a shame to have VDI wiring in RJ45 and not use it to connect one or more access points where needed.
Afterwards, whether using the same SSID or not, it's just a matter of configuration.
Otherwise, mesh wifi is the best if there’s no RJ45.
it's properly located in the communication cabinet, like this:
. It's a shame to have VDI wiring in RJ45 and not use it to connect one or more access points where needed.
Afterwards, whether using the same SSID or not, it's just a matter of configuration.
Otherwise, mesh wifi is the best if there’s no RJ45.
Yes, that's exactly it.
I confirm that it's unfortunate, and I completely agree with you. But they have a different vision than us on this point. They don't want maximum bandwidth; they want Wi-Fi everywhere, simply with a single SSID, so they don't have to think about it and disconnect from one Wi-Fi to connect to the one that works.
To be honest, they have satellite TV, not through a set-top box, and it's simpler for them.
I confirm that it's unfortunate, and I completely agree with you. But they have a different vision than us on this point. They don't want maximum bandwidth; they want Wi-Fi everywhere, simply with a single SSID, so they don't have to think about it and disconnect from one Wi-Fi to connect to the one that works.
To be honest, they have satellite TV, not through a set-top box, and it's simpler for them.
ah I almost forgot,
with most mesh wifi systems, and Tenda is one of them, I believe,
you can create a backhaul (internal network between the access points) via ethernet through the box when you have wiring, it can seriously improve performance by reducing wifi frequency congestion.
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and ... There you go!
with most mesh wifi systems, and Tenda is one of them, I believe,
you can create a backhaul (internal network between the access points) via ethernet through the box when you have wiring, it can seriously improve performance by reducing wifi frequency congestion.
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and ... There you go!
That is to say that I could, rather than having them communicate via Wi-Fi, have them communicate through the Ethernet network?
I can tell I'm going to have a blast setting all this up myself!!
I believe they won't be able to explain what's set up and that it's going to end with me getting a call around 11 PM while half-drunk to explain to my friends how to solve their Wi-Fi issues. ^^
I can tell I'm going to have a blast setting all this up myself!!
I believe they won't be able to explain what's set up and that it's going to end with me getting a call around 11 PM while half-drunk to explain to my friends how to solve their Wi-Fi issues. ^^
;-)
Thank you for the details!
I will explore all of this by Monday, and once I have everything installed, I will come back here to give a little report on the tests before and after, and on the ease of installation. I have never installed one before, so I am truly starting from scratch.
Have a great Christmas, thanks again.
Thank you for the details!
I will explore all of this by Monday, and once I have everything installed, I will come back here to give a little report on the tests before and after, and on the ease of installation. I have never installed one before, so I am truly starting from scratch.
Have a great Christmas, thanks again.
Hello everyone! I hope you had a good Christmas.
My mother received the Tenda Nova this morning, and I just finished the installation, so I’m going to give you a little summary. The tests were done with an Oppo Find X2 Pro. It's worth noting that my mother is using an Oppo Find X2 Lite (since yesterday...) and a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet.
Before the installation, I validated the WiFi speed test throughout the house. In the room where the box is installed, it’s 400 down and 400 up. That’s perfect, nothing to complain about.
In the living room, near the kitchen, it immediately drops to about 120 down and 100 up (with spikes up to 120). I go 5 - 6 meters further near the sofa, and it drops to 60 down and 60 up.
Finally, the last test in their bedroom, and there, unlike her, I stay well connected to the WiFi, but the speed is 10 down and 15 up.
Now let’s move on to the installation. Well, first I had to check the current installation to realize that it was impossible to connect the first Nova directly to the box because there are no available power outlets left. It’s not a problem; I connected it in the same room directly to the wall socket, and it works perfectly.
Apart from this little issue that posed a problem, everything else is very simple. You follow the step-by-step guide on the app (in French and very well done), and everything synchronizes automatically.
The most complicated part was finding two discreet and well-placed spots to get WiFi throughout the house.
To finish, I initiate the Nova update and will conduct tests (I had to try twice for the update; it only completed 2 out of 3 the first time).
The tests are done and the result is clear, I have strong WiFi everywhere with exactly the same speed, which makes me think I positioned them quite well. However, no matter where I am, I have 100 down and 100 up, which is a bit disappointing.
So, for my parents, I think I will leave them with this solution, which should perfectly suit their needs, but if I need to do it for myself, I would go for a slightly more powerful product.
My mother received the Tenda Nova this morning, and I just finished the installation, so I’m going to give you a little summary. The tests were done with an Oppo Find X2 Pro. It's worth noting that my mother is using an Oppo Find X2 Lite (since yesterday...) and a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet.
Before the installation, I validated the WiFi speed test throughout the house. In the room where the box is installed, it’s 400 down and 400 up. That’s perfect, nothing to complain about.
In the living room, near the kitchen, it immediately drops to about 120 down and 100 up (with spikes up to 120). I go 5 - 6 meters further near the sofa, and it drops to 60 down and 60 up.
Finally, the last test in their bedroom, and there, unlike her, I stay well connected to the WiFi, but the speed is 10 down and 15 up.
Now let’s move on to the installation. Well, first I had to check the current installation to realize that it was impossible to connect the first Nova directly to the box because there are no available power outlets left. It’s not a problem; I connected it in the same room directly to the wall socket, and it works perfectly.
Apart from this little issue that posed a problem, everything else is very simple. You follow the step-by-step guide on the app (in French and very well done), and everything synchronizes automatically.
The most complicated part was finding two discreet and well-placed spots to get WiFi throughout the house.
To finish, I initiate the Nova update and will conduct tests (I had to try twice for the update; it only completed 2 out of 3 the first time).
The tests are done and the result is clear, I have strong WiFi everywhere with exactly the same speed, which makes me think I positioned them quite well. However, no matter where I am, I have 100 down and 100 up, which is a bit disappointing.
So, for my parents, I think I will leave them with this solution, which should perfectly suit their needs, but if I need to do it for myself, I would go for a slightly more powerful product.
Thank you for your quick response!
The mesh does indeed seem like the best solution. The other two boxes communicate only via WiFi with the first box, right?
I'm not familiar with this brand though, is it a reliable brand? In terms of performance, will it be sufficient to enjoy fiber optic? Speeds of 30-40 Mbps will be enough over WiFi; they won't notice the difference with 200 Mbps anyway. ????
I saw this model on Amazon, isn't it preferable since it's a well-known brand?
https://www.amazon.fr/TP-Link-Deco-E4-3-pack-Syst%C3%A8me/dp/B07SGF4N8D/ref=asc_df_B07SGF4N8D/?tag=bingshoppin0f-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584345022364542&psc=1
Why consider the Tenda Nova:
- TRI-BAND: this means that there are two standard bands for clients (2.4 GHz for WiFi N and 5 GHz for WiFi AC for client devices), but also a third band, also 5 GHz, dedicated for the units to communicate with each other via WiFi. Thus, the WiFi communication between the units does not impact the signals between the units and the clients!
- Gigabit Ethernet: the Ethernet ports (WAN/LAN) are at 1000 Mbps
Why not consider the Tenda Nova: uncertain reliability (but according to Amazon reviews, it is a good product)
Why consider TP LINK: brand image, reliability in network computing
Why not consider TP LINK:
- Dual band only: the bands used for the units to communicate with each other are the same as for the clients: this reduces the throughput
- Fast Ethernet ports: right from the start (WAN), even if you have 200 Mbps Fiber, the first unit will only receive 100 Mbps (compared to 1000 Mbps for the Tenda Nova). Adding WiFi losses, the throughput will definitely be reduced!
So I would tend to compare the Tenda Nova with the TP LINK M9 Plus (which is, however, much more expensive).
If we have multiple APs configured on the same SSID, devices will connect to the access point with the best signal, not the one they have lost.
Otherwise, no PRO network with dozens of APs would work.