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Hello!
I have a rotary phone of the Socotel type, I bought a "transformer" so that it can work on my ADSL line but there's a little hiccup, what do the wire colors correspond to?
Photo of the yellow cable before I detach it from the T socket
Photo of the blue, white, and red cables before I detach them from the T socket
Photo of the 4 cables to connect to my new box.
The famous box (I didn't receive any instructions with it) I tried a first solution, I do get a dial tone but I can neither receive nor make calls, so my wiring is wrong. Note that the green cable (top left) and red cable (top right under the blue one) are those from the box.
A thousand thanks to those who can provide their help.
I have a rotary phone of the Socotel type, I bought a "transformer" so that it can work on my ADSL line but there's a little hiccup, what do the wire colors correspond to?
Photo of the yellow cable before I detach it from the T socket
Photo of the blue, white, and red cables before I detach them from the T socket
Photo of the 4 cables to connect to my new box.
The famous box (I didn't receive any instructions with it) I tried a first solution, I do get a dial tone but I can neither receive nor make calls, so my wiring is wrong. Note that the green cable (top left) and red cable (top right under the blue one) are those from the box.
A thousand thanks to those who can provide their help.
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Good evening,
Diagram of the Socotel S63
What are the references (brand and model) of this "transformer" that actually needs to convert impulses into voice frequency?
See also: http://jla.1313-blog.overblog.com/2017/09/convertisseur-dc/dtmf.html
Very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room. Especially when it's not there...
If I can believe the markings on the "transformer" circuit...
These are the telephone line wires that you need to connect between L1 and P1
On the T-connector of the phone, the line wires are in 1 and 3 of the socket (blue wire (1) white (3))
Only these two wires are needed. Do not connect the others
So try to connect the blue wire to L2 and the white wire to P1
as indicated on the circuit; if, when picking up the handset, the LED does not light up, then swap the wires between L1 and L2 (green and red, I suppose)
The RJ11 connector of the "transformer" box should be connected with an RJ11/RJ11 cable to the telephone output of the box.
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These are the telephone line wires that you need to connect between L1 and P1
On the T-connector of the phone, the line wires are in 1 and 3 of the socket (blue wire (1) white (3))
Only these two wires are needed. Do not connect the others
So try to connect the blue wire to L2 and the white wire to P1
as indicated on the circuit; if, when picking up the handset, the LED does not light up, then swap the wires between L1 and L2 (green and red, I suppose)
The RJ11 connector of the "transformer" box should be connected with an RJ11/RJ11 cable to the telephone output of the box.
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Very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room.
Especially when it's not there...
thank you
So by using only blue and white it doesn't work at all, I added yellow to L1 and now I have the tone but I can neither transmit nor receive. (the light turns on)
So I still tried reversing the red and green cables from the box... the light turns on but the problem remains.
I admit I'm tired, I'll try other combinations tomorrow.
When you say that the red and yellow wires are useless in my box, what are they for on the phone please?
So by using only blue and white it doesn't work at all, I added yellow to L1 and now I have the tone but I can neither transmit nor receive. (the light turns on)
So I still tried reversing the red and green cables from the box... the light turns on but the problem remains.
I admit I'm tired, I'll try other combinations tomorrow.
When you say that the red and yellow wires are useless in my box, what are they for on the phone please?
On the S63 diagram, these are wires for an outdoor bell (see ringer on the said diagram).
The T-junction in the diagram is called a "male connector".
It is still necessary to check that in the telephone the yellow and red wires are properly connected to each other, in other words, that the previous phone was not configured to work with an external bell...
The T-junction in the diagram is called a "male connector".
It is still necessary to check that in the telephone the yellow and red wires are properly connected to each other, in other words, that the previous phone was not configured to work with an external bell...
Thank you for your response.
I understand the issue with the outdoor ringtone, but if I call myself and pick up even without the ringtone, it could work, right?
I don't know if I can post a video here, but actually when I touch the red wire on terminal L1, it makes the phone ring, but if I keep it in place, the phone doesn't ring. So I still can't make or receive calls.
I have another phone at the office that I will try, but it has buttons...
I understand the issue with the outdoor ringtone, but if I call myself and pick up even without the ringtone, it could work, right?
I don't know if I can post a video here, but actually when I touch the red wire on terminal L1, it makes the phone ring, but if I keep it in place, the phone doesn't ring. So I still can't make or receive calls.
I have another phone at the office that I will try, but it has buttons...
The same circuit as yours (except that L2 and P1 are swapped ??? 
The phone is well connected between L2 and P1
Here there are only two wires... but as mentioned before, it should be checked that there is indeed a "strap" between the blue and red wires in the phone
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The phone is well connected between L2 and P1
Here there are only two wires... but as mentioned before, it should be checked that there is indeed a "strap" between the blue and red wires in the phone
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Very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room.
Especially when it isn’t there...
Thank you for your patience and help
Yes, I had seen that box, but it doesn't work either when swapping the wires
So there has been some progress. At the office this morning, I plugged in the box with my other phone, but this time I used the touch feature.
and it works perfectly! I can make and receive calls! However, this evening I just got home with that infamous phone, and when I call and pick up, there is a horrible noise, and I can't make an outgoing call.
So I think it might be the box. At home, I have a Freebox, and at the office, a Livebox... and then I realize something that makes me think it all must come from there... at home, I have fiber, and at the office, I have ADSL... since I switched to fiber this month, I didn't think for a second about that.
In conclusion, tomorrow I'm going to take my rotary phone to the office, and if it works there, it means I can't use it with a box that has fiber...
Sorry for the lengthy message.
Yes, I had seen that box, but it doesn't work either when swapping the wires
So there has been some progress. At the office this morning, I plugged in the box with my other phone, but this time I used the touch feature.
and it works perfectly! I can make and receive calls! However, this evening I just got home with that infamous phone, and when I call and pick up, there is a horrible noise, and I can't make an outgoing call.
So I think it might be the box. At home, I have a Freebox, and at the office, a Livebox... and then I realize something that makes me think it all must come from there... at home, I have fiber, and at the office, I have ADSL... since I switched to fiber this month, I didn't think for a second about that.
In conclusion, tomorrow I'm going to take my rotary phone to the office, and if it works there, it means I can't use it with a box that has fiber...
Sorry for the lengthy message.
This module... isn't, who knows, intended for rotary dial phones but for touch-tone ones....
This would explain why the link on eBay specifies
Indeed, there are no # or * on rotary phones.
This would explain why the link on eBay specifies
DIALOR2.0 enhanced version has a "redial" and "set aside" # "and" * ", such as function, makes the old telephone also can compare with modern telephone!
Indeed, there are no # or * on rotary phones.
By connecting the white wire to L1 and the blue wire to L2 (where the green and red wires from the box are connected.... you connect the phone directly to the box...
It works for receiving of course ... but not for transmitting as the pulses are not converted into voice frequency by the circuit.
Try the following with the telephone cable wires
Blue and red to L2 - White to P1
It works for receiving of course ... but not for transmitting as the pulses are not converted into voice frequency by the circuit.
Try the following with the telephone cable wires
Blue and red to L2 - White to P1
Well, here I am at the end of the problem and it's solved!
1) switch to English to understand what you're buying because China is nice but there's no manual
2) the box works perfectly with push-button phones
3) it cannot work with a rotary phone
4) the box is fine for ADSL but does not work with fiber
Special thanks to Baladur13 for his patience!
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It's only by continually trying that one ultimately succeeds. In other words... the more you fail, the more chances you have of it working...
SFR would be resisting retro phones ?????
I don't exactly know how the fixed line connectivity works in France, but in the case of ADSL, isn't it connected to a "copper" socket directly? It's possible that there are differences between the copper socket and the output socket of a box that uses the fixed line via VoIP.
I don't exactly know how the fixed line connectivity works in France, but in the case of ADSL, isn't it connected to a "copper" socket directly? It's possible that there are differences between the copper socket and the output socket of a box that uses the fixed line via VoIP.
Me,
I mainly understand that these anachronistic gadgets only work when they feel like it, no rules and no one guarantees anything.
At the base, there may be a power supply issue for the handset at 48V, again the rules are not very clear and are probably more suited to modern phones than to antiques with their 20mA.
In short,
you have to be a player with these things and it is certain that we will win less and less, sooner or later, all phones will be IP, of course there are still adapters like the PAP2T, but that's not the way the wind is blowing.
After all, the charm of retro is fine,
but zero functionality, that's not exciting either, so retro on a shelf is good too.
I mainly understand that these anachronistic gadgets only work when they feel like it, no rules and no one guarantees anything.
At the base, there may be a power supply issue for the handset at 48V, again the rules are not very clear and are probably more suited to modern phones than to antiques with their 20mA.
In short,
you have to be a player with these things and it is certain that we will win less and less, sooner or later, all phones will be IP, of course there are still adapters like the PAP2T, but that's not the way the wind is blowing.
After all, the charm of retro is fine,
but zero functionality, that's not exciting either, so retro on a shelf is good too.
The transformer: it's one I bought on eBay, but I'm not sure if I made a wise choice...
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/282403585527?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Thank you for the link, which unfortunately reinforces the idea that there's little chance it will work, and sadly I don't have the skills to build it myself. I would still like to try with the one I have if I only knew which wire goes where....