False buyer The Central

To make this testimony effective, a few details are still missing, notably the email address used.

Reminder for participants:</strong>

Keep in mind that all names, surnames and copies of documents provided by these scammers have been stolen from people totally unrelated to these scams.

For information, the mechanisms of these scams here: Scams on private party classified sites

To be helpful to others and to hinder the activity of these small "businesses"
it would be preferable:

1°) to copy on this forum:
- the emails received (taking care to remove your personal information)
- the email addresses used by the scammers
- and, if it is an advertisement, the site address where you found the ad (with, if possible, the references of the ad)
(this allows using search engines to warn potential victims who will search the net: it is effective. It forces the scammers to frequently change identities, emails which slows and hinders their work and leads them to make mistakes in their scenarios)

2°) Report the scam on government-created sites in France and Belgium:
https://www.internet-signalement.gouv.fr/PortailWeb/planets/Accueil!input.action (for France)
https://www.ecops.be/ (for Belgium)
They can also be reached by phone and can advise you.

3°) And finally, if there has been damage, file a complaint at the nearest police station or gendarmerie, bringing all information in your possession:
- references of the money transfers made,
- references of the contacted person: email or postal address, usernames used, phone numbers, fax, copies of exchanged emails/mails…,
- any other information that could help identify the scammer)

Thank you for your cooperation :)

Email address helene71.laurent@gmail.com
mobile 06 29 77 25 80

Thank you for your intervention. I received the email this morning from this person, who wants to buy my vehicle. Fortunately, I had the good idea to look up this buyer on the Internet and I came across your comment; otherwise, I might have fallen into the same scams as you.

I am therefore awaiting the second email tomorrow, and I will take the necessary measures. I cannot provide better details about this seller:

Email address: helene71.laurent@gmail.com
Phone number: 06 29 77 25 80
SMS sent: "Hello, I wanted to know if the car is still available. Please contact me as soon as possible at the following email: helene71.laurent@gmail.com phenixsms.com"
Unfortunately, I cannot tell you on which site this person is attempting to defraud, because I posted my ad on several free automotive classifieds sites on the Internet.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL: THIS PERSON helene71.laurent@gmail.com IS A SCAMMER!

Best regards to you all.

I also received a text message from the same person with the same text, the same number, and the same email to buy my 4x4 vehicle. Fortunately I saw your ad, thank you.
So be very careful with messages sent from the site phenixsms.com.
ps: to sell a vehicle, no paperwork is supposed to be sent to the future buyer.
Good luck.

Have any measures been taken against this person?

I personally filed a complaint with my local police station and went to the site recommended by chat_teigne to report this attempted scam. Needless to say, I did my best, but since I did not provide (intentionally) my contact details on the government site, I know I will receive no response. Let’s hope and keep our fingers crossed!

And as if that weren’t enough, two other emails, two more fraud attempts: two people pretending respectively to be Jean-Charles GENESTE and Emile RICCI, who are requesting the latest price and recent photos of the vehicle. We’re no longer safe on the Internet and on online classifieds sites...

For my part I received 4 scam emails from people presumably from Ivory Coast, following the sale listing of my car.

Here are their emails so it can help future sellers:
- emile ricci ricciemile@live.fr (FR,75)
- bert bert.jm@voila.fr (FR,75)
- gerard louis granger granger.gerard@gmail.com
- jean-jacque saillet saillet-jean@live.fr

Here are examples of emails I received (I also had SMS messages and calls from odd numbers) :

1) I am interested in your car, could you send me recent photos and confirm the price
___________________________________

2) Good evening
I just looked at the listings and yours does not interest me much, so my wife and I would like to know if it is still for sale and also your latest price.
Thank you
Mr and Mrs SAILLET
___________________________________

3) Hello
the vehicle is perfect and suits me.
Since I am not in Europe, I could not come to test drive the vehicle.
I intend to buy it because I like it very much. Please note that my broker will come after payment by bank transfer or certified cheque to your account to take the vehicle and have it shipped here.

I must inform you that my broker, namely the company SAGA www.saga.fr, will only come to collect the vehicle after you have definitively received the money in your account.

I would ask you to draft a sales agreement confirming that you authorize my broker to come pick up the vehicle after the transfer has been received in your account and you will sign to certify your good faith.

After receiving the sales agreement and your RIB for a bank transfer or your full name and address for a certified cheque or even cash mandate, I will instruct my bank to transfer the funds to your account and upon receipt of the money in your account my broker will come to collect the Vehicle.
Mr SAILLET
00225 04571311
___________________________________

4) Good evening
Just to let you know that I have indeed received your email, and I confirm my interest in buying your vehicle. the amount suits me.
Being French and working on my own in Ivory Coast (I would be happy to host you there), I suggest paying you by cash mandate via Western Union or by bank transfer, which are much faster than other methods from this country, but before that I would like you to send me proof of address (EDF bill or France TELECOM) so I can be reassured since you will have the money before taking the vehicle. I am also sending you a copy of my national identity card (C.N.I).

For shipping the vehicle, I will send my broker to your home after receiving the money. Given that my professional obligations prevent me from returning to France at the moment.

I am fully ready to take the vehicle since similar models with the same characteristics are hard to find here and in perfect condition.

As soon as I have the items I asked for (proof of address), I will go to the Western Union agency to issue the cash mandate in your name or your bank transfer. For Western Union I will choose the option where the agency contacts you itself by phone to provide you with the information and documents needed to withdraw your money. At any Western Union or post office in France where you reside
Once you confirm receipt of the money, I will put you in touch with my broker for vehicle pickup at your home.
Please confirm if this payment method suits you (by sending the requested elements) so we can finalize.

GOOD EVENING, having posted an ad on top announcement I received the same message on my phone with a strange number +22505446133 and replying by email to granger.gerard@gmail.com coming from phenixsms.com

I am in the same situation and I don’t know what to do
please help me because I am 63 years old and I am desperate

BEST GUY

I HOPE DAT FOR THE REST EVERYTHING IS FINE WITH YOU GOING

CARINE

Hello, I also received the same email

sms: +32492687632
mail: granger.gerard@gmail.com

Copy of the sms:

Good evening, I wanted to know if the car is still available.
Please contact me as soon as possible at the following email: granger.gerard@gmail.com

Copy of the email received:

Hello,

I therefore confirm our interest (my wife and I) in your car for sale.
Being abroad, French having had to expatriate (in Côte d'Ivoire) because of my job and most of my belongings here, with our small family, we would like to buy your vehicle for comfort, for its beauty, for everything this vehicle could offer us ...

You may be wondering why we are taking such a step, and well because we have always done it this way, all our vehicles came either from Germany or France, but our only link that allowed us to acquire these vehicles more easily passed away last month and so we must now contact sellers ourselves, hence this email...

Also regarding the payment we propose to settle by bank transfer, and so if that could put you at ease I will send you a copy of my ID and I would ask you to send me, in turn, a copy of your identity card accompanied by a proof of your residence for more transparency.

And so I would ask you in the first instance, if possible, to send me photos of the vehicle, interior and exterior more precisely, to also send back a copy of the technical inspection if it has been done, not forgetting the details of the vehicle options and to send them back to me by email so that I can give you my final approval.
For the shipment, I will only send the freight forwarder to your home after receiving the sum in your account

I am ready to take the vehicle, and so as soon as you send me your RIB (Bank Identity Statement) I will go to my bank to issue an order to transfer to your account the sum and my bank will contact you to inform you by email, by fax or by phone and provide you with the supporting documents, normally once these documents are issued, the money is visible in your account within 3 to 4 days and so, there you go, as soon as the sum is received I will send the freight forwarder to your home to take the car and recover everything that comes with it, so that you and I can be as clear as possible in this transaction.

Thank you for going through so much trouble for me, hoping to be able to count on you because this vehicle means a lot to me, I await your news,

Looking forward to reading you,

Best regards,

Mr Granger

C'est quand même honteux de voir ça!
Have a nice day to you...

also got such an e-mail. Thanks for putting this on the Internet.

Good evening,

I hereby confirm our interest (my wife and myself) in your car put up for sale. Being abroad, French having had to expatriate (in Côte d'Ivoire) because of my work and most of my belongings here, with our small family, we would like to buy your vehicle for comfort, for its beauty, for everything this vehicle could offer us...

You may be wondering why we are initiating such a démarche, and well, because we have always done it this way; all of our vehicles came either from Germany or France, but our only link that allowed us to acquire these vehicles more easily passed away last month and so we must now contact the sellers ourselves, hence this email...

Also regarding payment, we propose to pay you by bank transfer, and so if that could put you at ease I would send you a copy of my ID card and I would ask you to send me, in turn, a copy of your identity card accompanied by a proof of your residence for more transparency.

And so I would ask you, in a first instance, if possible, to send me photos of the vehicle, interior and exterior in more detail, to also send back a copy of the technical inspection if it has been done, not forgetting the detail of the vehicle’s options and to send them back to me by email so I can give you my final approval.

For sending the vehicle, I will only send the broker to your place after receipt of the amount in your account.

I am ready to take the vehicle, and so as soon as you send me your RIB (Bank Identity Statement) I will go to my bank to order an international transfer to your account and my bank will contact you to inform you either by email, by fax or by phone and provide the supporting documents; normally once these documents are issued, the money is visible in your account within 3 to 4 days and so, there you go; upon receipt of the funds I will send the broker to your place to take the car and recover everything that goes with it, so that you and I can be as clear as possible in this transaction.

Thank you for going to such lengths, hoping to be able to count on you because this vehicle means more to me than anything, I look forward to hearing from you.

Looking forward to reading you,

Best regards,

Mr Granger

and yes avoid communicating this type of document by email before verification, especially for "clients" North African... notably this Gerard Granger with the mobile number 06 29 77 25 80; TO BE AVOIDED

I confirm to you that this Gérard Granger is active in Belgium (Vive le Net). Having put a car up for sale, I received the same email - Identity card attached - requesting the same documents. His email address: granger.gérard@gmail.com. Thank you for letting me know.

I also received a text message today from the famous Gérard Granger. While reading the message I had a doubt, hence my search on the net—thanks to your testimonials, I have none left!!

I received the same today from Gérard Granger. Thanks to the forum I was able to avoid getting scammed. Thank you for your reports.

I also yesterday, September 7, 2010, received exactly the same email, asking for my RIB and identity papers to transfer the money from the transaction of buying my car to my account, with a photocopy of his identity card and all the same old spiel about his residence in Ivory Coast. He is still active on the net. Watch out!

Hello,

me too, he just contacted me by text asking if my car is still available and to reply to the following email address:
granger.gerard@gmail.com.
the phone number in the message is 1 00 98.

Hello,

Sorry not to know French enough to write to you in French.
I am in Spain and have received an email from Gerard Granger and he attached an ID card from him. Please see text below. Please, are you saying this is a FRAUD?
Thank you for your help.
Mónica.

"Hello ,

I therefore confirm our interest (my wife and I) in your car being put up for sale.

Being abroad, French having had to expatriate (to Ivory Coast) because of my work and most of my belongings here, with our small family, we would like to buy your vehicle for all the comfort, for its beauty, all that this vehicle could offer us ...

You may be wondering why we are taking such a step, and well because we have always done like this, all our vehicles came from either Germany or France, but our only link that allowed us to acquire these vehicles more easily died last month and so we must now contact sellers ourselves, hence this email...

Also regarding the payment we propose to pay you by bank transfer, and so if this could reassure you I will send you a copy of my ID and I would ask you to in turn send me a copy of your identity card accompanied by a proof of your address for more transparency.

And so I would ask you in a first step, if possible, to send me photos of the vehicle, interior and exterior more precisely, to also send me a copy of the vehicle inspection report if it has been done, not forgetting the details of the vehicle options and send them back to me via email so that I can give you my final approval.

For the shipment, I will only send the broker to you after receipt of the amount in your account

I am ready to take the vehicle, and so as soon as you send me your RIB (Bank Account Details) I will go to my bank to give order to transfer the amount to your account and my bank will contact you to inform you either by email, by fax or by phone and provide you with the supporting documents, normally once these documents are issued, the money is visible in your account within 3 to 4 days and so, there you have it, upon receipt of the amount I will send the broker to you to take the car and retrieve everything that goes with it, so that you and I can be as clear as possible in this transaction.

Thank you for going to so much trouble, hoping to be able to count on you as this vehicle matters more to me than anything, I remain waiting for your news,

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Best regards,

Mr Granger

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Buenos días,

Le confirmo pues todo nuestro interés (mi mujer y mí incluso) para su auto puesta en venta.

Siendo en el extranjero, Franceses teniendo debidos exiliarse (en Costa de Marfil) a causa mi trabajo y la mayoría de mis bienes aquí, con nuestra pequeña familia, nos quisiera ofrecernos su vehículo para toda la comodidad, para su belleza, todo lo que este vehículo podría ofrecernos...

Se preguntarán seguramente porqué iniciamos tal planteamiento, y bien porque siempre hemos hecho como eso, todos nuestros vehículos procedían o de Alemania o de Francia, pero nuestro solo vínculo que nos permitía adquirir estos vehículos más fácilmente murió el mes pasado y en consecuencia debemos hasta ahora nosotroscontactar nosotros los vendedores, de ahí este correo electrónico...

Por eso acerca del pago le proponemos regularse por transferencia bancaria, y en consecuencia si eso podía ponerle en confianza le enviaré la copia de mi CNI y le pediría hacerme llegar a su vuelta, una copia de su carné de identidad acompañada de una factura de su domicilio para más transparencia.

Y en consecuencia le pediría inicialmente, si eso es posible, transmitirme fotografías del vehículo, el interior y el exterior más concretamente, devolverme también una copia del control técnico, si se hizo, sin olvidar el detalle de las opciones del vehículo y devolvérmelos mediante el correo electrónico para que pueda darle el visto bueno final.

Para el envío, enviaré al agente de tránsito en ustedes previa recepción de la suma sobre su cuenta

Estoy dispuesto a tomar el vehículo, y en consecuencia en cuanto me enviarán su RIB (Número de cuenta) me vuelvo a mi banco dar orden de transferir sobre su cuenta la suma y mi banco le contactará para hacerle parte o por correo electrónico, por fax o o teléfono y transmitirle los justificantes, normalmente una vez estos emitidos documentos, el dinero es visible sobre su cuenta en del 3 a 4 días y en consecuencia, aquí, a partir de recepción de la suma enviaré al agente de tránsito en ustedes tomar el coche y recuperar todo lo que va con, de modo que y puedan lo más claramente posible en esta transacción.

Le agradezco que le dé tanto mal, al esperar poder contar con ustedes ya que este vehículo me tiene más que a corazón, permanezco a la espera de sus noticias,

Al placer de releerle,

Cdlt,

Sr. Granger

I confirm the scam; I received the same proposal from the same person, but I did not respond because, looking at the ID card numbers he sent, there is an inconsistency.

Attached below is the body of the email:

Hello ,

I therefore confirm our interest (my wife and I) in your car being put up for sale.
Being abroad, French having had to expatriate (in Ivory Coast) because of my work and most of my belongings here, with our little family, we would like to buy your vehicle for comfort, for its beauty, for everything this vehicle could offer us ...

You may be wondering why we are taking such a step, and well because we have always done like this, all our vehicles came either from Germany or from France, but our only link that allowed us to acquire these vehicles more easily has passed away last month and so we must now contact the sellers ourselves, hence this email...

Also regarding the payment we suggest paying you by bank transfer, and so if that could put you at ease I will send you a copy of my ID card and I would ask you to send back to me a copy of your identity card accompanied by a proof of your residence for more transparency.

And so I would ask you in a first step, if possible, to send me photos of the vehicle, interior and exterior in more detail, to send back also a copy of the technical inspection if it has been done, not forgetting the details of the vehicle options and to send them back to me by email so that I can give you my final approval.
For the shipment, I will not send the freight forwarder to you until after receipt of the sum in your account

I am ready to take the vehicle, and so as soon as you send me your RIB (Bank Identity Statement) I will go to my bank to order a transfer to your account and my bank will contact you to inform you, either by email, by fax or by phone, and provide you with the supporting documents, normally once these documents are issued, the money is visible in your account within 2 to 3 days and so, there you go, upon receipt of the sum I will send the freight forwarder to your home to take the car and recover everything that goes with it, so that you and I can be as clear as possible in this transaction.

Thank you for going to so much trouble, hoping to be able to count on you because this vehicle matters to me a lot, I look forward to hearing from you,

Looking forward to reading you again,

Best regards,

Mr Granger


Email used by the person: granger.gerard@gmail.com