Odd page section jump
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Hello,
I am using Word 2007. I have the following document:
- Page 1 (cover page) + odd page section break
- Page 2 + odd page section break
- Page 3 + odd page section break
The goal is to have a blank page between page 1 and page 2, and between page 2 and page 3. This system works between page 2 and page 3, but not between page 1 and page 2!
Does anyone know why? What should I do?
Thanks in advance.
I am using Word 2007. I have the following document:
- Page 1 (cover page) + odd page section break
- Page 2 + odd page section break
- Page 3 + odd page section break
The goal is to have a blank page between page 1 and page 2, and between page 2 and page 3. This system works between page 2 and page 3, but not between page 1 and page 2!
Does anyone know why? What should I do?
Thanks in advance.
14 answers
Hello,
There is an unresolved bug that has existed for a long time with the odd/even page section break issues. This bug rarely comes up, as this function seems to be seldom used.
The problem occurs when you do not "succeed" in the first attempt with your section break insertions! What I mean is that you start by inserting a next page or odd page break, and then you change and choose odd, etc. Word gets confused and refuses to cooperate, going off on its own!
For example, there is an easy thing to reproduce. You create a first page followed by a next page section break, then two other pages each followed by an odd page section break.
You change the first break to an odd page: the next section break automatically turns into a next page break! :( and so on...
So, apparently your problem comes from there. The solution is not to make replacements. You should select the section break and delete it, then create a new one. Generally, that solves the problem.
m@rina
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There is an unresolved bug that has existed for a long time with the odd/even page section break issues. This bug rarely comes up, as this function seems to be seldom used.
The problem occurs when you do not "succeed" in the first attempt with your section break insertions! What I mean is that you start by inserting a next page or odd page break, and then you change and choose odd, etc. Word gets confused and refuses to cooperate, going off on its own!
For example, there is an easy thing to reproduce. You create a first page followed by a next page section break, then two other pages each followed by an odd page section break.
You change the first break to an odd page: the next section break automatically turns into a next page break! :( and so on...
So, apparently your problem comes from there. The solution is not to make replacements. You should select the section break and delete it, then create a new one. Generally, that solves the problem.
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office work..."
- "Oh really???"
Thank you for this response :)
Well....the evolution of versions is beautiful!!!
And indeed, I'm trying to replace odd page breaks with section breaks, and it's the previous break that turns into odd... a real crazy story!!
So I'm going to try to tinker something :)
Have a nice day
Well....the evolution of versions is beautiful!!!
And indeed, I'm trying to replace odd page breaks with section breaks, and it's the previous break that turns into odd... a real crazy story!!
So I'm going to try to tinker something :)
Have a nice day
Don't mess with anything: delete your breaks and redo them. Don't use the technique: select the break and insert another one.
The evolution of versions has nothing to do with it... As far as I remember, it's a problem that has never been reported... and which has existed for a long time, as I was telling you. I've been responding on forums for a long time, and I'm an office software trainer, and I believe you're the second person I've seen mention this problem!! :D
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office software..."
- "Oh really???"
The evolution of versions has nothing to do with it... As far as I remember, it's a problem that has never been reported... and which has existed for a long time, as I was telling you. I've been responding on forums for a long time, and I'm an office software trainer, and I believe you're the second person I've seen mention this problem!! :D
m@rina
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- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office software..."
- "Oh really???"
Is it possible to report this issue?
I have quite an extensive use of the Office suite... and sometimes, I encounter problems, but no one can respond to me :( you are my savior!!! heehee
I also conduct office training for an association, but for beginners who have a relatively simple usage.
To modify my breaks, I did as you said, but I still had to insert a blank page to manage! (because I have different headers and footers... ahhh I'm having fun with my last internship report :) )
I also had a problem in Excel, I might redo a post about it on this site :)
Thanks again!
I have quite an extensive use of the Office suite... and sometimes, I encounter problems, but no one can respond to me :( you are my savior!!! heehee
I also conduct office training for an association, but for beginners who have a relatively simple usage.
To modify my breaks, I did as you said, but I still had to insert a blank page to manage! (because I have different headers and footers... ahhh I'm having fun with my last internship report :) )
I also had a problem in Excel, I might redo a post about it on this site :)
Thanks again!
And is it possible to escalate this issue?
Oh yes, we can always... but since this is something rare, it won't be a priority. Already, correcting what everyone is requesting takes years and versions... For example, we've been asking for the ability to rotate text boxes along with the text for versions, and it is finally arriving with version 2010! pfffuiittt...
I had a problem in Excel too, I might redo a post about it on this site :)
Yes, yes, that's better! ;)
Have a nice day,
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office software..."
- "Oh really???"
Oh yes, we can always... but since this is something rare, it won't be a priority. Already, correcting what everyone is requesting takes years and versions... For example, we've been asking for the ability to rotate text boxes along with the text for versions, and it is finally arriving with version 2010! pfffuiittt...
I had a problem in Excel too, I might redo a post about it on this site :)
Yes, yes, that's better! ;)
Have a nice day,
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office software..."
- "Oh really???"
Hello!
I have a somewhat similar problem that I'm seeing for the first time, and it's not my first file... So I'm bringing this topic back up, I hope you can help me!
I've created custom headers and footers that are different for even and odd pages, 5 different sections (intro, part 1, 2, 3, then conclusion), and the headers and footers are different for each section. I know, I like to keep it simple too :D
I’ve prepared my entire layout, everything is fine, then I start typing... and then, disaster! When a page is added (either by text or a page break), the headers and footers of the EVEN pages in the following sections are completely messed up! The header and footer disappear, the page number moves to the right, and the background is misaligned. Everything is fine for the odd pages.
BUT, when a new page is added, everything goes back to normal...
Typing my 150 to 200 pages under these conditions seems risky, so before I go any further, does anyone have an idea of the bug and how to fix it?
Thank you very much!
I have a somewhat similar problem that I'm seeing for the first time, and it's not my first file... So I'm bringing this topic back up, I hope you can help me!
I've created custom headers and footers that are different for even and odd pages, 5 different sections (intro, part 1, 2, 3, then conclusion), and the headers and footers are different for each section. I know, I like to keep it simple too :D
I’ve prepared my entire layout, everything is fine, then I start typing... and then, disaster! When a page is added (either by text or a page break), the headers and footers of the EVEN pages in the following sections are completely messed up! The header and footer disappear, the page number moves to the right, and the background is misaligned. Everything is fine for the odd pages.
BUT, when a new page is added, everything goes back to normal...
Typing my 150 to 200 pages under these conditions seems risky, so before I go any further, does anyone have an idea of the bug and how to fix it?
Thank you very much!
I am working with Word 2007. I would be happy to send you my file if you want.
I tried M@rina's method but it doesn't work. The more I test, the more problems I find :/
I'm beginning to wonder if I should just start over (thus throwing away a few hours of work :( )
I'm really losing hope!
I tried M@rina's method but it doesn't work. The more I test, the more problems I find :/
I'm beginning to wonder if I should just start over (thus throwing away a few hours of work :( )
I'm really losing hope!
Don't despair... you can be stronger than Word!!!
There might be a detail you're overlooking....
Try hosting your file on a site (like http://uploading.com/
Give me the address before 4:30 PM and I'll check it out right away! I can't guarantee I'll find the problem, but I'll give it a try ;)
There might be a detail you're overlooking....
Try hosting your file on a site (like http://uploading.com/
Give me the address before 4:30 PM and I'll check it out right away! I can't guarantee I'll find the problem, but I'll give it a try ;)
Thank you very much!
I hope to be stronger than Word, but sometimes it can be tough!
Here's the address: http://uploading.com/files/8AOE0URJ/MEP.docx.html
This is the version I was formatting, so it looks great like this. The troubles begin when we add pages... The disruptions happen in sections 3, 4, and 5 but apparently not in the first and last ones.
Anyway, the problem remains the same for me ^^ After searching for a while, I might have a lead: I did continuous section breaks and page breaks instead of using "section break (next page)"...
Thank you for your help! I'll keep looking on my end until 4 PM (after that, it'll be only in the evening).
I hope to be stronger than Word, but sometimes it can be tough!
Here's the address: http://uploading.com/files/8AOE0URJ/MEP.docx.html
This is the version I was formatting, so it looks great like this. The troubles begin when we add pages... The disruptions happen in sections 3, 4, and 5 but apparently not in the first and last ones.
Anyway, the problem remains the same for me ^^ After searching for a while, I might have a lead: I did continuous section breaks and page breaks instead of using "section break (next page)"...
Thank you for your help! I'll keep looking on my end until 4 PM (after that, it'll be only in the evening).
I see that you have a lot of continuous section breaks. From my experience, I never use them because Word handles them very poorly.
To separate your sections, use page break / odd / or even section breaks instead.
(I'm having trouble making changes; your layout is too heavy for my work computer!)
Try removing all the continuous breaks, and if that doesn't work, let me know (unless someone finds it before I do, which I hope for you) and I can take a look tomorrow.
P.S.: I'm also doing my internship in sustainable construction :)
To separate your sections, use page break / odd / or even section breaks instead.
(I'm having trouble making changes; your layout is too heavy for my work computer!)
Try removing all the continuous breaks, and if that doesn't work, let me know (unless someone finds it before I do, which I hope for you) and I can take a look tomorrow.
P.S.: I'm also doing my internship in sustainable construction :)
Hahaha! It's a small world then!
I tried to replace the "continu" section breaks with "next pages" but it still messes everything up :/
I think the best thing is for me to start over by making the right section breaks directly and copying and pasting all my elements - now that they're done...).
Yes, I noticed that the background really slows down navigation, I should only put it at the end. If I have to start over...
Thank you for looking into my problem. Good luck with your internship then :D
I tried to replace the "continu" section breaks with "next pages" but it still messes everything up :/
I think the best thing is for me to start over by making the right section breaks directly and copying and pasting all my elements - now that they're done...).
Yes, I noticed that the background really slows down navigation, I should only put it at the end. If I have to start over...
Thank you for looking into my problem. Good luck with your internship then :D
Hello,
I don't understand your layout...
You have lots of continuous section breaks with page breaks... Why?
1 continuous section break + 1 page break = 1 section break on the next page
Continuous section breaks are well managed by Word but do not allow modifications to headers and footers, and for good reason! They are used for column number changes, that's about it.
A section break allows for a different layout. In a layout, there are a certain number of things like paper format, orientation, headers and footers, page borders, etc. all of which cannot be modified on the same page (and therefore not with a continuous section break). One of the only things that can be changed is the number of columns, or also, for example, line numbering.
Moreover, for each section, you set different first pages and different even and odd pages. So, that makes for 3 headers and 3 footers for each section... In your example file, which contains about 10 pages, you have 6 sections and therefore 18 types of headers and footers...
You don't always win with Word!!
Tell us more simply what you want to do exactly so we can help you more easily. Especially tell us what you want for your headers... What are the change criteria? Every page? Every 3 pages?? etc.
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office work..."
- "Oh really??"
I don't understand your layout...
You have lots of continuous section breaks with page breaks... Why?
1 continuous section break + 1 page break = 1 section break on the next page
Continuous section breaks are well managed by Word but do not allow modifications to headers and footers, and for good reason! They are used for column number changes, that's about it.
A section break allows for a different layout. In a layout, there are a certain number of things like paper format, orientation, headers and footers, page borders, etc. all of which cannot be modified on the same page (and therefore not with a continuous section break). One of the only things that can be changed is the number of columns, or also, for example, line numbering.
Moreover, for each section, you set different first pages and different even and odd pages. So, that makes for 3 headers and 3 footers for each section... In your example file, which contains about 10 pages, you have 6 sections and therefore 18 types of headers and footers...
You don't always win with Word!!
Tell us more simply what you want to do exactly so we can help you more easily. Especially tell us what you want for your headers... What are the change criteria? Every page? Every 3 pages?? etc.
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office work..."
- "Oh really??"
Hello!
Thank you for taking a look too :)
First of all, even though I have a good mastery of Word, it's much less the case for section breaks... So I hope I'm not making it more complicated than it needs to be!
So what I want:
- with double-sided printing, I want to do "mirror" not only for the margins (that's fine) but also for the headers, footers, and page numbers, so different for even and odd pages
- to clearly differentiate the sections, change the color in the background and header/footer/page number
With your advice, I tried to arrange all this last night (and even part of the night...) but more retries and restarts just lead to more issues appearing.
I don't understand what's so insurmountable: Word offers all these options, I have 4 sections for a document that's going to be over 100 pages...
Until now, the only thing I hadn't done was to have different headers and footers for even and odd pages, but I did have different sections for each part. What complicates things so much?
I'm going to start over, one more time... but I hope it will work out!
Thank you very much!
Thank you for taking a look too :)
First of all, even though I have a good mastery of Word, it's much less the case for section breaks... So I hope I'm not making it more complicated than it needs to be!
So what I want:
- with double-sided printing, I want to do "mirror" not only for the margins (that's fine) but also for the headers, footers, and page numbers, so different for even and odd pages
- to clearly differentiate the sections, change the color in the background and header/footer/page number
With your advice, I tried to arrange all this last night (and even part of the night...) but more retries and restarts just lead to more issues appearing.
I don't understand what's so insurmountable: Word offers all these options, I have 4 sections for a document that's going to be over 100 pages...
Until now, the only thing I hadn't done was to have different headers and footers for even and odd pages, but I did have different sections for each part. What complicates things so much?
I'm going to start over, one more time... but I hope it will work out!
Thank you very much!
Hello,
I'm attaching an example here:
https://www.cjoint.com/?iDpXagBZW4
I haven't included your drawings, your typography, or a lot of other things.
It's just so you can understand how it works.
There are 4 sections with just headers and different pictures for even and odd pages.
Regarding your drawings, I wouldn't recommend it; it's way too cumbersome to manage.
As for your typography, you can do what you want, but I think it won't necessarily be well perceived by the proofreader, who prefers something readable even if it's less pretty. Favor Arial, Cambria, Times New Roman, Calibri...
These are just suggestions because I know how it goes... Afterward, you do what you want! ;))
Good luck,
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office work..."
- "Really???"
I'm attaching an example here:
https://www.cjoint.com/?iDpXagBZW4
I haven't included your drawings, your typography, or a lot of other things.
It's just so you can understand how it works.
There are 4 sections with just headers and different pictures for even and odd pages.
Regarding your drawings, I wouldn't recommend it; it's way too cumbersome to manage.
As for your typography, you can do what you want, but I think it won't necessarily be well perceived by the proofreader, who prefers something readable even if it's less pretty. Favor Arial, Cambria, Times New Roman, Calibri...
These are just suggestions because I know how it goes... Afterward, you do what you want! ;))
Good luck,
m@rina
--
- "On the office forum, we ask questions about office work..."
- "Really???"
Thank you for your help!
I am very relieved, I will finally be able to move forward and at the same time understand how it works!
Regarding the typography, it's almost "intended." This one has already been tested and proven against my proofreader that I've had on different files for 2 years. It's more a function of him rather than my personal tastes that this typography is chosen (and this convoluted layout...), his "artistic" side is very pronounced...
I also understood that the background, if I want to include it, should be at the end otherwise it causes lag.
Again, thank you for your help. I won't hesitate to reach out to you again if needed, but I hope I won't have to do so again ;)
I am very relieved, I will finally be able to move forward and at the same time understand how it works!
Regarding the typography, it's almost "intended." This one has already been tested and proven against my proofreader that I've had on different files for 2 years. It's more a function of him rather than my personal tastes that this typography is chosen (and this convoluted layout...), his "artistic" side is very pronounced...
I also understood that the background, if I want to include it, should be at the end otherwise it causes lag.
Again, thank you for your help. I won't hesitate to reach out to you again if needed, but I hope I won't have to do so again ;)