Calculate the length of the line from DSLAM to BOX

Fiktive -  
brupala Posted messages 111189 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   -
Hello,

Do you know how to calculate the distance from the ISP DSLAM to the entrance of the Box?

DSLAM ISP ==> Underground or aerial network ==> White FT box ==> House distribution point ==> Cord ==> BOX
With a multimeter? What is the procedure?

Best regards.
Fiktive
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4 answers

  1. Nahu
     
    Hello, I find this post a bit late.

    If I remember correctly the words of the itinerant technician from FREE who came to my place,

    by connecting the multimeter to the cable pair, we should observe about 50 nanofarads per kilometer of cable

    That is, 100 nanofarads if there are two kilometers
    150 for 3 kilometers...

    These are just my memories. It’s information to be confirmed.

    I hope this can help you.
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    1. fiktive
       
      Hello,

      I will test it as soon as I have the time.

      Thank you.
      F
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  2. brupala Posted messages 111189 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 462
     
    Hello,
    capacity measurement (multimeter capacitance meter) is only possible on an open line (disconnected at both ends) and the measured value (capacitance in nanofarads between the wires) only indicates a very approximate value of the length as it is highly dependent on the type of cable used (4/10 or 6/10) and over what length?
    Indeed, a line typically passes through one, two, or three sub-distributors and changes cable each time.
    An ohmmeter multimeter does not allow for precise measurement at this level: a short circuit would need to be created at the other end and the loop resistance measured, then divided by 2 to find an approximate length based on the known resistivity of the cable, as this too, like capacitance, is not significant until the proportion of each type of cable in the line's constitution is known.
    The only reliable value for length is therefore the constitution found in the FT databases and used for accessibility estimates.
    The attenuation is theoretically calculated from this constitution by adding the theoretical attenuation of each type of cable in relation to the length used on your line.

    --
    and... There you go!
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  3. babar161 Posted messages 527 Status Member 53
     
    If it works, I'm interested to know how it feels :)

    Otherwise, there is a device that allows you to see your distance as well as whether you have a short circuit or an open circuit, but it's expensive and I forgot the name :D (I'll mention it if I remember)
    However, from what I used, if I remember correctly, the measurements correspond well to what degrouptest indicates (within a few tens of meters).

    As for the calculation, it seems to me that with the diameter of the cable, the impedance over 100m, or something like that, there must be a magic formula ^^
    Maybe a message to post on an electricity forum.

    Also to test Nahu's method :)
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    1. Butch > ben
       
      A reflector on copper???
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    2. brupala Posted messages 111189 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 462 > Butch
       
      Yes, it also exists.
      Both coaxial and twisted pairs.
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    3. ludo
       
      The device is the echometer.
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    4. brupala Posted messages 111189 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 462 > ludo
       
      If you want, yes,
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    5. Ju
       
      Hello reflecto for the fiber echometer for copper, have a good day.
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  4. Nico le Vosgien Posted messages 1580 Status Contributor 266
     
    Hello,

    This information is usually referenced in the database of the historical operator: France Telecom, since it is FT that is responsible for this cabling.

    It is this database that is normally queried by eligibility tests to estimate which services will be feasible.
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    1. Fiktive
       
      Hello Nico from Vosges,

      Thank you for responding, but I already know that information.
      I'm looking to calculate it myself.
      With a multimeter, for example.

      Have a good weekend.
      Fiktive.
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      1. soleilvert > Fiktive
         
        Good evening,

        to keep it simple
        you need to take the value in (nF) and multiply it by 19.5 to get the value in meters
        don’t forget that the capacitor only provides a potential cutoff distance and
        it works better with total unbundling because with partial, the FT filter increases the distance

        capacitor = potential cutoff distance
        resistance = short circuit distance

        have a good continuation.

        Best regards.
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