PayPal and eBay scams! : CCM

Réponse 1 / 49

MILAREPA

Hello!
Something quite similar happened to me.
With friends, I'm managing an association for selling cultural goods (vinyl records).
For us, PayPal was an ideal solution. Things go smoothly up to a certain amount. Then they ask us for all sorts of documents (association statutes, photocopies of identity papers, bank account details, and credit card reference). We send them the papers for the second time (we already did it at registration), but we don't have a credit card. We call them, explain the situation, and it seems fine to them. Then one day, here's what happens:
- A member of the association makes a sale (€120)
- The customer pays via PayPal
- The seller ships the package via Colissimo
- I reimburse the seller after deducting our 8% commission
- Five months go by (I said five months!)
- PayPal notifies us of a "dispute" (that's their term when they decide to screw you over) regarding the sale: you did nothing wrong, but you already feel guilty. They ask us to prove the shipment of the merchandise.
- I call their service to understand what's going on.
- Response: the request doesn't come from the buyer, but it's a "routine verification" by PayPal: I need to send the requested proof, and everything will be sorted.
- By miracle, the seller kept the Colissimo receipt, submits it to me, and I fax it along with a letter to the number provided in the emails (NB: by this point, no more French: all the emails are in English!)
- Three days later, the buyer's PayPal account is credited back the €120, and our PayPal account ended up in the red.
- I immediately stopped this payment method, and the account remained negative until someone mistakenly made a payment into this account a few months later. Once the account turned positive again, I hastily emptied it and closed it for good.
- In the six months following the closure, I received several phone calls from a collection agency regarding the repayment of €40, which I had a hard time not responding to harshly (they had nothing to do with it).

Conclusion: I cannot stress enough to be extremely wary of this company.
I don’t know what imperatives they follow, but they are capable of the utmost bad faith, and you have no possible recourse (since they don't even comply with the unjust laws they claim to enforce), nor any valid interlocutor because in this kind of situation, the person at the other end of the hotline will be of no help: it comes from higher up and is beyond them.

Where the customer is king, it’s certainly not with them.

In conclusion, we lost €120, but the worst part is the stress caused by this kind of situation, the feeling of being faced with a wall, being a pawn at their whim, whose fate is predetermined, total arbitrariness, methods worthy of the worst moments in history, it’s humiliating and completely outrageous.

There you go, I had this on my mind for a while, if this can help someone, I'll be happy.

B

bigmat4

I'm adding one that is worth the detour:

The item I ordered on e-bay does not work.
When I go to rate the seller (tomtop-game), they no longer have an account: so there is no way to report the problem.

I then open a dispute case on Paypal. After 2 months, here is their response, in copy/paste:

"We have completed the review of this case. The claim has been denied and no refund will be issued. The tracking information provided by the seller did not confirm that the item was shipped to you."

You understood correctly, the seller did not prove that he actually sent me the item, so the case is closed against me. This is a foolproof logic!!!

It’s not over: I go back to e-bay, and there I discover that the seller has resurfaced and… hold on… he still has his 22,914 almost all positive ratings. Other scammed buyers like me have not been able to leave their ratings!!!

If that’s not a beautiful organized scam….

What do I represent as a new buyer compared to a seller who has accumulated a very large number of sales benefiting e-bay and Paypal?

salto62 > shagan

Hello everyone!!!
As for Shagan, no, I have never dealt with this Father Louis.... Have you done any internet searches with his name... sometimes we are surprised to see that some people have the good sense to post warnings in the forums, so go do some research.
As for me, everything got sorted out after a series of letters to PayPal but also to a European consumer center based in Luxembourg!!!!!
They have experts who will handle your files in record time and with professionalism that is second to none!!!
For those interested, I can give the address.
Make sure to keep all your exchanges with the main parties involved (PayPal, buyers, sellers...) as they will need them to have some "leverage" and defend our case.
Everything was refunded to me down to the last cent...
Just so you know, PayPal made a commercial gesture... lol.... it's more that given their illegalities, they're afraid it will go further, so they prefer to "make a commercial gesture."
In similar cases, hold your ground; do not settle anything... especially with the super bailiff from PayPal, Mr. "Arnaud" (I believe); it's all about pressure and harassment.
Remaining at your disposal,
Sylvie

Réponse 2 / 49

steph

Here is my immediate response in 500 copies via mailing software just to make sure they receive it!!!

Hello

Very well, your reaction speaks volumes about how you protect the sellers who trusted your company!
All these sellers have supported you for years, but apparently
the more we feed you, the hungrier you become!!!!
I confirm that many actions will be taken against you.
1 - the continuation of the case before the commercial court in France and not
in Luxembourg!
2 - the complaint against your actions with consumer protection associations in France.
3 - the use of the largest platform in the world to make your actions known to the largest audience.
As a specialist in programming and SEO, and having, due to your staff's inaction, I can now certify that you will soon be among the best-referenced keywords, the question remains about what topic!
Knowing that I am only affirming with supporting evidence, and by no means will I be in a position of defamation!
You can now conduct some research on the web by typing only the name of your company, but also by adding some keywords related to your position!

Despite the various requests for callbacks I have made to your services, no one has deemed it necessary to take my problem seriously.
You leave me no choice but the path of justice, given that my company will have to close its doors soon if you do not reconsider your position.
In this situation, I have no other choice but to fight by all possible means to save the company we took 4 years to develop, which you have managed to destroy in 30 days!

I’m not saying see you soon!

Réponse 3 / 49

moi

Hello

I'm really sorry about what happened to you, but don't give up the fight!!!

Contact PayPal by phone; they have a number, and provide them with everything you have to justify yourself!!!

PayPal is a subsidiary of eBay, so I think if they want information about the feedback the person left you, they

can find it. Also, the fact that the person is no longer registered does not delete the feedback they left you!!!!

For my part, having already had issues with PayPal, I systematically remove my credit card number after each

transaction, so there's no more problem.

I'm a good faith person, so I'm sure I won't have anything to blame myself for regarding the product I send

Good luck!

Anonymous user

thank you!!!
yes, I can't find the review she left me, but I printed my successful sales with the different buyers at that time, and I see on the right items the delivered indicator (the cart), paid (the euro), and star or circle with plus for the reviews, a positive review received from this buyer!!!
yes, after another problem, I had removed my bank account, and I am just putting it back to make transfers!!!
I don't understand, though, why PayPal doesn't react to such easy scams!!!!
but I will not let go of the issue!!!!
you can spread the word about the scam!!!!
and the dangerous use of PayPal!!

syl62 > Anonymous user

and there you have it, the axe has fallen!!!
paypal rules in favor of the other party, meaning the fraudsters, and on top of that, they take 11 euros in fees for the payment dispute, in addition to the item that was sent, the shipping costs, and the ebay selling fees.
but it's unbelievable!!!
for me, paypal and ebay are done, and I will spread the word!!!
and don't hesitate to do so if it outrages you!!!
it needs to circulate....
thank you!!!!!!
I am disgusted by this world without recourse, but I will file a complaint even though....

fr > syl62

I had exactly the same problem. Someone bought an item from me and paid via PayPal while asking for a standard letter shipment and not a registered one (I didn't know the trick). The person claimed not to have received the item, and I discovered that she was married to an eBay seller with whom I had just had difficulties and left negative feedback. I alerted eBay, which recognized the attempted fraud to withdraw feedback (I had kept all the emails). Both members were banned from eBay, but PayPal sided with them by deducting 40 euros from my PayPal account to refund the so-called victim. In short, PayPal doesn't know eBay, which doesn't know PayPal, which claims to be a secure payment method that profits from your account and handles disputes with your money; A true scam!!!

djam

I just got scammed for a PayPal payment that I never made!!!! What can I do? Thank you for your help!!

conseil

Hi, if you sent a letter, you must know who to! Name + address
Advice: always send with a delivery confirmation or tracked package = caution
Good luck but don't give up on eBay or PayPal

Réponse 4 / 49

steph

Here is the famous article 10.4 added by PayPal without you having to accept the modification of the contract, contrary to what they indicate.
As it is a user agreement, any modification must be accepted by both parties; the only way to refuse this new clause is to terminate the account.
However, in this case, they hold all the funds in your account for 180 days (6 months).
Furthermore, the term "at their discretion," as stated, is entirely discriminatory, since no real calculation in % is provided, which essentially means "at the client's face" or "we do what we want," which is a mistake.

10.4 Reserves. PayPal may, in its sole discretion, establish a Reserve on the funds in your Account if it reasonably believes (based on the information available at the time the Reserve is established and what it considers, in its sole discretion, to be an acceptable level of risk given the circumstances) that there is a significant level of risk associated with your Account. If PayPal establishes a Reserve on the funds in your Account, the funds will be held in your Reserve Account and will be marked as "Pending" in your PayPal Balance. If your Account is subject to a Reserve, PayPal will notify you specifying the terms and conditions of the Reserve. These terms may include the requirement that a percentage of the amounts received in your Account be held for a certain period or that a specified amount be retained in a Reserve, or any other measure deemed necessary by PayPal to protect against risks associated with your Account. PayPal may change the terms of the Reserve at any time by notifying you. You may close your account if you refuse the Reserve. If your account is closed for any reason, we have the right to block the reserve for a maximum period of 180 days. In managing the risks associated with Accounts, PayPal may also limit the amount you can immediately transfer or modify the speed or methods of transfer, make deductions from your Balance, and/or require that you, or any person associated with you, consent to other forms of security (for example, by providing a guarantee or requiring that you deposit funds with PayPal as collateral for your obligations to PayPal or to third parties). You also agree to take, at your own expense, any arrangements (specifically, signing any necessary documents and registering any form of document to meet any reasonable request from us allowing us to establish any form of security or any other request) necessary to create a Reserve or any other form of security, according to the terms reasonably determined by PayPal.

max

That's why as soon as you receive a payment on PayPal, transfer it immediately to your bank account.

Réponse 5 / 49

steph

Here is PayPal's final position on this matter, still without any consultation or calls:

January 25, 2010
Our Ref: 199945
Subject: reserves.

Dear ***************,

Thank you for contacting PayPal. Your request has been forwarded
to our department in the hope of obtaining assistance regarding the
reserves placed on your PayPal account. After reviewing your PayPal account,
please allow us to provide you with further explanations.

After examination of your PayPal account registered under the email address
*****************, it has been found necessary to place
reserves on your account.

The placement of a reserve results from a decision made by PayPal to
reduce exposure to potential financial loss risks and to ensure a higher level of security for buyers.

While we understand that you disagree with the terms regarding the reserves placed on your PayPal account, this decision will be maintained. We also inform you that this decision may be subject to revision in the future.

Funds will therefore be held in your Reserve Account and will be marked
as "Pending" in your PayPal Balance. Please note that the withheld funds
cannot be used to make refunds or proceed with purchases.

Rest assured that PayPal has acted in accordance with the terms of the User Agreement that you accepted when opening your PayPal account in November 2006. The clauses of the User Agreement related to your claim and listed below can be consulted by clicking on the 'User Agreements' link at the bottom of every PayPal website page:

1.1 PayPal is solely a payment service provider.
10.4 Reserves.

Any complaint can be submitted for independent arbitration to one of the organizations listed below. To this end, please consider this email as a ‘final response’ from us.

- The European Consumer Centre (ECC-Net) located in Germany but serving German and French consumers:
Euro-Info-Consumers
Rehfusplatz 11
77694 Kehl
Germany

- Commission de Surveillance du Secteur Financier (CSSF):
110, Route d’Arlon
L-2991 Luxembourg
Luxembourg

- The Financial Ombudsman Service (United Kingdom). You can obtain information regarding the Financial
Ombudsman Service at the following address:
https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/

Sincerely,

Véronique Seignobos

Claims Department
PayPal

And coincidentally, you are instructed to contact consumer associations in Germany or a service in Luxembourg, why is that?
Maybe because PayPal already knows their positions according to the legislation in force in those countries?
But my company is in France, and my actions will be taken in France!!!

Réponse 6 / 49

tatiana lenny

I have also just been very disappointed by PayPal. Unable to link my bank card to my account and after following the advice of a teleoperator, I requested to transfer the funds to my partner's account and PayPal told me to request the closure of my account so that all our ongoing transfers would go to my partner's account.
A few days later, they cancel the transfer because they suspect fraud!!!!!!.
After several calls, we were told that we shouldn’t have proceeded in that way and that it was impossible for a teleoperator to have asked us to do that! So we ask when we can recover the funds since the buyer has received the item (confirmation of their address with PayPal.......) Just wait, we were told that a dispute lasts 6 months. 6 long months during which they will hold onto the funds.
I will never accept PayPal payments again.

moi

Hi there

don't give up on them because this method is quite common with PayPal, that way you'll understand they're making interest with your money. So call them every day and send them all the proof you have to show your good faith, and above all, don't back down!!!!!!!

We had the same issue, and by constantly bothering them every day, they unlocked my account in 15 DAYS

GOOD LUCK

Réponse 7 / 49

Anonymous user

Paypal allows unverified accounts.
So you are an honest citizen who, to save yourself from the tax authorities, uses a fake name.
And Paypal knows this very well!
What could be easier than to moderate your account to ask for identification or by pretending that someone else is using your account!
And so Paypal rakes in millions of euros or dollars day after day with complete impunity!
And this has been going on for years!
So you're taking your chances if you make a living using Paypal and keep in mind that Paypal "deducts" certain amounts from time to time as a sort of tax on unverified accounts...!
Sucker BUT NOT STUPID!
And you, how much has Paypal "deducted" from you in complete impunity?

binz

nonsense
paypal doesn’t take anything at all

Réponse 8 / 49

Lolla_darling

I am also struggling with Paypal and eBay, which have restricted my account and forbidden any transactions.
It would take too long to explain.

I believe, and this is what I've done, that the most effective solution is for many people to file a complaint against Paypal and eBay with UFC-Que Choisir for abusive sales conditions and forced selling. Indeed, eBay forces the use of Paypal (which belongs to eBay!!)

I hope this solution will gain many supporters.
It's the only way to apply any pressure on this company.

Best regards to everyone.

Réponse 9 / 49

Lolla_darling

Hello,

I am also dealing with eBay, which has blocked my PayPal account and prohibits any transactions.

I have, of course, all the elements to prove my good faith by taking screenshots.

I have filed a complaint against eBay with UFC-Que Choisir for abusive sales conditions and forced selling (eBay requires us to use PayPal, which it owns!!).

I believe that this is the only effective solution to make ourselves heard. It’s about giving as much resonance as possible to our complaints. The UFC is the best means without having to go to court.

I hope that many of us will choose this way to fight against the scams of eBay and PayPal;

Best regards to everyone
Lolla

binz

We are millions using PayPal without issues, both professionals and individuals; the problems are not significant, and often it's the user who misuses the service or is too naive (like in transactions with Ivory Coast, the victim gets scammed and then blames PayPal...)

And it's well known that those for whom everything goes smoothly, well they don't say anything.

PayPal is a very good system, safe, fast, and inexpensive (compared to payment terminals); I have never had a problem in over three years.

Rather learn to use the services we provide properly instead of complaining.

Scammers have always existed, long before PayPal, and it's too easy to blame PayPal (we know where to find them) instead of the scammer (who has disappeared)

Ciao

steph > binz

Binz, if you use PayPal as a professional, you're going to change your mind very soon:

Hello

I am here to expose a scam perpetrated by PAYPAL, and I emphasize by the company PAYPAL and not by a scammer pretending to be PAYPAL.

PAYPAL has modified its general terms and conditions (article 10.4) without requiring you to accept these new conditions,
which is already entirely illegal.
PayPal now controls all accounts generating a certain volume of transactions; to control your account, they start by placing it under restriction, a restriction that lasted almost 30 days for my company.
PayPal excuses this by citing "THE GLOBAL CRISIS," which caused many companies to close their doors in 2009 and which PayPal incorrectly claims to have been left with debtor accounts, which is entirely false since being under contract with them, you will be liable to them regardless of whether it is through an amicable agreement or in court.

PayPal cites this unfounded risk as an excuse and implements a fixed reserve on your account without any agreement from you, supposedly calculated based on very complicated internal calculations.
This is also completely false, as this reserve is calculated neither based on your daily, monthly, or annual number of transactions nor on your company's turnover, but rather IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CLIENT!

For my part, my company sells Hi-Tech electronic products, and they started this control during the holiday season, which is a very important time for our field.
As a result of this abusive restriction, we are experiencing a loss of turnover of nearly €25,000 in 30 days, and the reason is simple:
when under restriction for control, PayPal has a robotic email system that sends standard emails to your customers based on the nature of the problem with your account, and during the control, PayPal puts your account into "restriction."
However, having a website and also an eBay store, since PayPal and eBay are one and the same company, eBay automatically sends an email to your customers indicating "WARNING RISKY TRANSACTION, PLEASE CONTACT PAYPAL," so naturally, everyone's first reaction is to think, "I've been scammed," and therefore they immediately open a PayPal dispute, and that's where the cascade begins.
Following these disputes that arose solely because of this abusive restriction, PayPal considers your company to be at risk, which was absolutely not the case at the time of the restriction since we had just hired a fourth person at the end of 2009.
Nonetheless, after nearly 30 days of restriction, a loss of €25,000 in turnover + all the funds present in our PayPal account at the time of the restriction being frozen, we find ourselves unable to pay our salaries, social charges, and VAT.
This rapidly brings us close to filing for bankruptcy due to inability to pay.
After 30 days of control of our transactions, PayPal decided that our activity was at risk and then abusively and without any consultation decided to implement a "fixed reserve" and a "sliding reserve" on our account, which generates even more problems than those mentioned above. Let me explain:

Fixed reserve:
An amount supposedly calculated based on very specific calculations is permanently blocked on your account and can never be withdrawn, except in the case of account closure, and in this case, PayPal gives itself 180 days (6 months) to return this sum to you; that is to say, your company will have been closed for 6 months before PayPal returns this sum to you, all while having worked with them during these 6 months.
In our case, PayPal blocked all sums present in our account at the time of the restriction.

Sliding reserve:
If you receive an order today for €100, this amount is automatically added to your "PENDING" balance,
and will be blocked for 31 days, meaning you will not be able to use this €100 until 32 days. If you receive another payment tomorrow of €100, well, that amount will also only be usable 32 days after receiving the payment, and so on.

In our case, PayPal blocked €3,000 in fixed reserve in addition to the €25,000 monthly turnover generated every month by this payment system that can only be used on the 32nd day after each transaction,
which simply means that PayPal will continuously work with nearly €30,000 that belongs to us, which, given the substantial sum, brings us inexorably closer to insolvency, something that PayPal is entirely unconcerned about.

After more than 50 calls to PayPal's merchant service (0821-230-291) and therefore nearly €400 in phone bills since it is a premium number,
Frédérique, Kévin, and Mélanie claim to be unable to find a solution to this problem?
and they send us to the person who manages fixed reserves, a person located in Ireland:
Emma (+35324369239) but they make it clear that this person is very, very busy. After more than 100 attempts in 2 days to reach this person, this line is always busy!
We then contact PayPal via another line (+35314369004) and finally manage to get in touch with someone who herself gives us the phone number of the person who manages our file,
a number that turns out to be (0821-230-291). We contact this number (again a premium line) which inexorably sends us back to Mélanie already mentioned above who is in the merchant service and who is also unable to find a solution, but sends us back to Emma in Ireland...

This is how PAYPAL operates; so, in addition to charging you 3.4% on each transaction from your account, they also allow themselves to work with your money, even if it means pushing your company to the brink of bankruptcy.

All the statements made in this post can be proven by all the supporting documents we have: emails, invoices, turnover, reserve amount, and sliding reserve system.

Documents that we were forced to provide to our lawyer and the commercial court, since given the consequences of their actions, we are compelled to go to court to put an end to this situation. Being aware that we do not have the same turnover as PayPal, we are already certain that our company will be in liquidation long before the judgment is rendered.
Nevertheless, after working for 4 years on the development of this company, we have managed to prove that it was finally viable in 2009; unfortunately, PayPal and its new "discretionary" general terms (as they clearly indicate in their general conditions, article 10.4), PayPal will likely succeed in putting an end to this beautiful adventure soon.
We cannot therefore let PayPal destroy our company without them facing the consequences.

To conclude, we have for several years recommended PayPal as the safest payment method; now we call on you to make a choice: either the development and sustainability of your company, or the enrichment of PayPal at your expense and the closure of your company in the short term.

Final advice for anyone working with PayPal, withdraw as quickly as possible any amounts you leave in your account before PayPal launches a control of your account and implements a reserve with the funds already present.

We will keep you informed of the outcome of our complaint with the commercial court and will provide here all the evidence of our allegations.

Thank you

Réponse 10 / 49

confor1max

I GOT SCAMMED BY PAYPAL TOO, THEY REFUNDED A PERSON WHO CLAIMS THAT THE ITEM DOESN'T MATCH THE DESCRIPTION EVEN THOUGH THEY LEFT A POSITIVE REVIEW? PAYPAL AND EBAY ARE HUGE THIEVES AND ON TOP OF THAT WE CAN'T COMPLAIN, IT'S THE MAFIA!!!!!!!

Réponse 11 / 49

chrisparis

In all the cases reported here (and elsewhere), the scammers are the buyers who cheat you, not PayPal or eBay...

Réponse 12 / 49

JC-77 Posted messages 364 Registration date Status Membre 65

To avoid any trouble, always send it by Colissimo or Lettre Max, it's safer, especially when there's PayPal....
--
The idiots, they dare everything.
It's even how we recognize them.

La Chabraque

NO, it’s not more about PAYPAL. It has no respect for Sellers, for listings, and even less for shipping. ONLY MONEY (the commission on sales),
It has a SELLER interest, SHUT IT DOWN.

Réponse 13 / 49

lylyza Posted messages 1 Status Membre 2

Well, just me, the idiot that I am, I was thinking "but no, PayPal, you don't need to enter your numbers anymore..." well of course!
And since yesterday, I've been stressed out because of a call from their center.

Réponse 14 / 49

lylyza Posted messages 1 Status Membre 2

Tomorrow I will call my legal insurance and PayPal, and if they don't want to listen to reason (since in the end the buyer kept the item and got reimbursed), I will see with a consumer service and then my insurance on what to do or not :(

Réponse 15 / 49

newera7 Posted messages 25 Status Membre 1

Hello,

I would like to know if you have dealt with the seller plumeetcelestin..?
I don't know if I should go ahead with my purchase

Best regards

Réponse 16 / 49

M126 Posted messages 30 Registration date Status Membre 24

Hello everyone
I confirm that PayPal and eBay are nothing but CROOKS who only aim to make as much money as possible (regardless of the methods used) and who exploit the gullibility of people by dodging questions or pretending to be unaware of anything and not understanding when a problem is pointed out to them.
I listed some equipment on eBay and, at the same time, also on other sites. The day my equipment was sold on eBay for a ridiculous sum, meanwhile, through my ad on another site, a buyer expressed interest and came to pick up the equipment from my place for a more reasonable amount.
I immediately cancelled the sale on eBay and refunded the buyer who had already made the payment through PayPal. Having reported this situation to eBay, they nonetheless withheld an unjustified commission for 2 consecutive months. A few days later, I noticed that eBay had deducted money from my bank account to pay commissions. After several letters of complaints and explanations to eBay and PayPal, they stood firm in their position and scammed me for 2 months straight. Scandalous thieves who retain commissions for products that were not sold through their platform. So BEWARE everyone of these shameful practices. Don't become a GULLIBLE yourself!!!
It goes without saying that I have, of course, terminated any contract with PayPal and eBay.

binz

it's your fault, you don't have the right to sell an item on other platforms (sites) when you list it on eBay, it's the rule. You schemed, you own up to it.

souchy

go everyone on Le Bon Coin, there’s no scam

souchy

go on the right coin no scam there

madmyke Posted messages 52304 Registration date Status Modérateur Last intervention 12 483

Le bon coin? No scams? Like all websites, it is a victim of scams and probably even more than others...

zazu

I just posted some items for sale on Leboncoin, and within a minute of going online, an individual residing in Ivory Coast contacted me. He claims he wants to buy all my items (4 pairs of sneakers), and that he can only pay via PayPal.
By browsing some forums, including this one, I notice that despite the online payment through PayPal, the money can be withdrawn due to "dirty" money.
Scam?

Réponse 17 / 49

Dodos

Ah yaveh, it reassures me a bit to see that I'm not the only one...

Indeed, I had issues with adssupplies regarding the sims as well...

Fortunately, not all foreign sellers are like that; just avoid dealing with adssupplies and if you have an issue, open a dispute without delay.

Réponse 18 / 49

gerard24230

Hello, you should no longer use your credit card on the internet or only use super-secure sites that are clean.

Réponse 19 / 49

Steph

Help us stop their actions and show them that we are not the cash cows
that will allow them to recover the funds they lost during the crisis and their risky investments.

http://www.petitionduweb.com/Contre_la_r_eacute_serve_fixe_et_glissante_PAYPAL-6148.html

sirus75013

good luck to you

marcphisto > sirus75013

Vivtime from PayPal, I just called the DGCCRF.

Messrs. Lerest and Dantin are currently preparing a file on the eBay/PayPal duo and are looking for victims of abuse; don’t hesitate to call them or send an email to explain your case and see if it might interest them…

The problem is that eBay and PayPal are based in Luxembourg, but apparently, they are in contact with their Luxembourg counterparts…

As for tied selling, even now that they impose it on everyone, there is not much to hope for because it is a French concept and the CJEU has ruled that there must be proof of an intention to harm for it to be recognized…

The best thing is to ensure that PayPal is no longer the only electronic payment method offered; it will cost them millions in lost revenue. Microsoft forced its PC customers to use Windows, eBay forces its customers to use PayPal; there’s a sense of déjà vu…

What makes me laugh is the warning on the eBay site: "Beware, do not accept payment via Western Union, it is not secure" lol PayPal is not any more secure…

et51claude Posted messages 102 Status Membre 29 > marcphisto

Payments by Western Union. You make them at the post office (in cash), no payments by check or credit card. For your information, I sent $300 to a friend in Haiti following the earthquake. He and his family lost everything, except their lives fortunately! The Post Office sent it. For $300, I paid €250 in fees + currency exchange rate. He withdrew the $300 four days later at a Western Union payment center using a code provided by the post office along with my first and last name.
Which I provided to him via email.

teck > marcphisto

paypal was acquired by ebay in 2002, ebay will never offer another payment method than paypal

Réponse 20 / 49

beagerard

Scam as a buyer, on January 17, 2019, a clever trickster hacked my Ebay and Paypal accounts. He placed several orders and both (Ebay and Paypal) alerted me to suspicious use of my account. After struggling to contact these organizations, I was told that everything would be sorted out, but currently there is still a disputed transaction that Paypal has settled in favor of the seller. This seller is Chinese and the address where the merchandise was sent is in Russia. Knowing that a seller is generally not allowed to send merchandise to an address other than the one listed on the Paypal account, I don't understand how the dispute has been resolved. Following a chat with Ebay, I was advised to file a complaint with the police (they'll have a good laugh: a complaint against a Chinese merchant and a Russian fraudster...)
As a result, both my Ebay & Paypal accounts were closed, and €41.09 is lost in the wind
I've started changing my habits: shopping on Amazon, paying by credit card, and checking my bank account every day.

PayPal and eBay scams!

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