Virus ( cheval de troie / trojan) Grrr
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Bonjour,
Je vous explique mon soucis sous Xp
Qd je fais démarrer/mes images, le dossier s'ouvre et 3 secondes apres j'ai "explorer.exe ne répond plus" envoyer le
rapport
J'ai fais tourner Ccleaner, Beclean, Spybot, Avg il ne me détecte que des cookies, je les suppriime,...
Je fais tourner Avast, il me detecte un Cheval de troie... dans le rapport il y avait 5 lignes, je les supprime, je fais redemarrer le pc ...
Je reessaye d aller dans mes images, tjs le même problème Grrr..... je decide donc de refaire tourner tout ca, et ils ne me detectent plus rien, même avast....
Qui pourrait m'aider?
merci beaucoup d'avance
Valérie
Je vous explique mon soucis sous Xp
Qd je fais démarrer/mes images, le dossier s'ouvre et 3 secondes apres j'ai "explorer.exe ne répond plus" envoyer le
rapport
J'ai fais tourner Ccleaner, Beclean, Spybot, Avg il ne me détecte que des cookies, je les suppriime,...
Je fais tourner Avast, il me detecte un Cheval de troie... dans le rapport il y avait 5 lignes, je les supprime, je fais redemarrer le pc ...
Je reessaye d aller dans mes images, tjs le même problème Grrr..... je decide donc de refaire tourner tout ca, et ils ne me detectent plus rien, même avast....
Qui pourrait m'aider?
merci beaucoup d'avance
Valérie
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Bonjour,
1 : Désinstalle Avast
2 : Télécharge Antivir, mets à jour et scanne ton système.
3 : Reviens nous donner des nouvelles.
Pourquoi Antivir et pas Avast : http://forum.malekal.com/ftopic3528.php
1 : Désinstalle Avast
2 : Télécharge Antivir, mets à jour et scanne ton système.
3 : Reviens nous donner des nouvelles.
Pourquoi Antivir et pas Avast : http://forum.malekal.com/ftopic3528.php
Tu as fait une mise à jour ?
Tu as scanné TOUT le disque dur ?
Tu as scanné TOUT le disque dur ?
Il faut faire tourner tous les programmes plusieurs fois jusqu'à ce qu'il ne trouve plus rien.
Voici le rapport dans lequel il a encore trouvé des infections:
AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic
Report file date: jeudi 10 avril 2008 15:45
Scanning for 1192508 virus strains and unwanted programs.
Licensed to: Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic
Serial number: 0000149996-ADJIE-0001
Platform: Windows XP
Windows version: (Service Pack 2) [5.1.2600]
Username: HP_Propriétaire
Computer name: NOM-EB85C523610
Version information:
BUILD.DAT : 270 15603 Bytes 19/09/2007 13:32:00
AVSCAN.EXE : 7.0.6.1 290856 Bytes 23/08/2007 12:16:29
AVSCAN.DLL : 7.0.6.0 49192 Bytes 16/08/2007 11:23:51
LUKE.DLL : 7.0.5.3 147496 Bytes 14/08/2007 14:32:47
LUKERES.DLL : 7.0.6.1 10280 Bytes 21/08/2007 11:35:20
ANTIVIR0.VDF : 6.40.0.0 11030528 Bytes 18/07/2007 13:27:15
ANTIVIR1.VDF : 7.0.3.2 5447168 Bytes 07/03/2008 10:15:59
ANTIVIR2.VDF : 7.0.3.127 649216 Bytes 07/04/2008 10:15:59
ANTIVIR3.VDF : 7.0.3.145 118784 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:15:59
AVEWIN32.DLL : 7.6.0.81 3424768 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:16:00
AVWINLL.DLL : 1.0.0.7 14376 Bytes 26/02/2007 09:36:26
AVPREF.DLL : 7.0.2.2 25640 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:39:17
AVREP.DLL : 7.0.0.1 155688 Bytes 16/04/2007 12:16:24
AVPACK32.DLL : 7.6.0.3 360488 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:16:00
AVREG.DLL : 7.0.1.6 30760 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:17:06
AVARKT.DLL : 1.0.0.20 278568 Bytes 28/08/2007 11:26:33
AVEVTLOG.DLL : 7.0.0.20 86056 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:10:18
NETNT.DLL : 7.0.0.0 7720 Bytes 08/03/2007 10:09:42
RCIMAGE.DLL : 7.0.1.30 2342952 Bytes 07/08/2007 11:38:13
RCTEXT.DLL : 7.0.62.0 86056 Bytes 21/08/2007 11:50:37
SQLITE3.DLL : 3.3.17.1 339968 Bytes 23/07/2007 08:37:21
Configuration settings for the scan:
Jobname..........................: Local Hard Disks
Configuration file...............: c:\program files\avira\antivir personaledition classic\alldiscs.avp
Logging..........................: low
Primary action...................: interactive
Secondary action.................: ignore
Scan master boot sector..........: off
Scan boot sector.................: on
Boot sectors.....................: D:,
Scan memory......................: on
Process scan.....................: on
Scan registry....................: on
Search for rootkits..............: off
Scan all files...................: All files
Scan archives....................: on
Recursion depth..................: 20
Smart extensions.................: on
Deviating archive types..........: +BSD Mailbox, +Netscape/Mozilla Mailbox, +Eudora Mailbox, +Squid cache, +Pegasus Mailbox, +MS Outlook Mailbox,
Macro heuristic..................: on
File heuristic...................: medium
Deviating risk categories........: +APPL,+GAME,+JOKE,+PCK,+SPR,
Start of the scan: jeudi 10 avril 2008 15:45
The scan of running processes will be started
Scan process 'avscan.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iexplore.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avcenter.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'msnmsgr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'WLLoginProxy.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iexplore.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'explorer.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'usnsvc.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'alg.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMIndexStoreSvr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMIndexingService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iPodService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'HPZipm12.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'GoogleUpdater.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'nvsvc32.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'LSSrvc.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'GoogleUpdaterService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'guard.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'sched.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'TeaTimer.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'Shareaza.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'ctfmon.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMBgMonitor.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avgnt.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avgas.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'kbd.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'VM_STI.EXE' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'ALCXMNTR.EXE' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'rundll32.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iTunesHelper.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'WinRemote.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'SchSvr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'hphmon06.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'hpsysdrv.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'jusched.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avguard.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'spoolsv.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'lsass.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'services.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'winlogon.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'csrss.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'smss.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
48 processes with 48 modules were scanned
Start scanning boot sectors:
Boot sector 'C:\'
[NOTE] No virus was found!
Boot sector 'D:\'
[NOTE] No virus was found!
Starting to scan the registry.
The registry was scanned ( '37' files ).
Starting the file scan:
Begin scan in 'C:\' <Disque Dur >
C:\hiberfil.sys
[WARNING] The file could not be opened!
C:\pagefile.sys
[WARNING] The file could not be opened!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Bureau\Raccourcis Bureau non utilisés\SmitfraudFix\restart.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the SPR/Tool.Hardoff.A program
[INFO] The file was moved to '48711b4c.qua'!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Mes documents\programmes\clean.zip
[0] Archive type: ZIP
--> clean/pskill.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/Tool.PsKill.2
[INFO] The file was moved to '4863206a.qua'!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Mes documents\programmes\VirtumundoBeGone.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/Processor
[INFO] The file was moved to '48702073.qua'!
C:\hp\bin\KillIt.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/KillApp.A
[INFO] The file was moved to '486a22a6.qua'!
C:\hp\bin\KillWind.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/KillApplicat.A
[INFO] The file was moved to '486a22b3.qua'!
C:\WINDOWS\nircmd.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/NirCmd.3
[INFO] The file was moved to '4870281f.qua'!
Begin scan in 'D:\' <HP_RECOVERY>
End of the scan: jeudi 10 avril 2008 17:00
Used time: 1:15:19 min
The scan has been done completely.
9914 Scanning directories
582979 Files were scanned
6 viruses and/or unwanted programs were found
0 Files were classified as suspicious:
0 files were deleted
0 files were repaired
6 files were moved to quarantine
0 files were renamed
2 Files cannot be scanned
582973 Files not concerned
18861 Archives were scanned
2 Warnings
0 Notes
Je les ai mit en quarantaine, dois je encore refaire le scan dans touts les dossiers?
Merci de votre patience
AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic
Report file date: jeudi 10 avril 2008 15:45
Scanning for 1192508 virus strains and unwanted programs.
Licensed to: Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic
Serial number: 0000149996-ADJIE-0001
Platform: Windows XP
Windows version: (Service Pack 2) [5.1.2600]
Username: HP_Propriétaire
Computer name: NOM-EB85C523610
Version information:
BUILD.DAT : 270 15603 Bytes 19/09/2007 13:32:00
AVSCAN.EXE : 7.0.6.1 290856 Bytes 23/08/2007 12:16:29
AVSCAN.DLL : 7.0.6.0 49192 Bytes 16/08/2007 11:23:51
LUKE.DLL : 7.0.5.3 147496 Bytes 14/08/2007 14:32:47
LUKERES.DLL : 7.0.6.1 10280 Bytes 21/08/2007 11:35:20
ANTIVIR0.VDF : 6.40.0.0 11030528 Bytes 18/07/2007 13:27:15
ANTIVIR1.VDF : 7.0.3.2 5447168 Bytes 07/03/2008 10:15:59
ANTIVIR2.VDF : 7.0.3.127 649216 Bytes 07/04/2008 10:15:59
ANTIVIR3.VDF : 7.0.3.145 118784 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:15:59
AVEWIN32.DLL : 7.6.0.81 3424768 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:16:00
AVWINLL.DLL : 1.0.0.7 14376 Bytes 26/02/2007 09:36:26
AVPREF.DLL : 7.0.2.2 25640 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:39:17
AVREP.DLL : 7.0.0.1 155688 Bytes 16/04/2007 12:16:24
AVPACK32.DLL : 7.6.0.3 360488 Bytes 10/04/2008 10:16:00
AVREG.DLL : 7.0.1.6 30760 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:17:06
AVARKT.DLL : 1.0.0.20 278568 Bytes 28/08/2007 11:26:33
AVEVTLOG.DLL : 7.0.0.20 86056 Bytes 18/07/2007 06:10:18
NETNT.DLL : 7.0.0.0 7720 Bytes 08/03/2007 10:09:42
RCIMAGE.DLL : 7.0.1.30 2342952 Bytes 07/08/2007 11:38:13
RCTEXT.DLL : 7.0.62.0 86056 Bytes 21/08/2007 11:50:37
SQLITE3.DLL : 3.3.17.1 339968 Bytes 23/07/2007 08:37:21
Configuration settings for the scan:
Jobname..........................: Local Hard Disks
Configuration file...............: c:\program files\avira\antivir personaledition classic\alldiscs.avp
Logging..........................: low
Primary action...................: interactive
Secondary action.................: ignore
Scan master boot sector..........: off
Scan boot sector.................: on
Boot sectors.....................: D:,
Scan memory......................: on
Process scan.....................: on
Scan registry....................: on
Search for rootkits..............: off
Scan all files...................: All files
Scan archives....................: on
Recursion depth..................: 20
Smart extensions.................: on
Deviating archive types..........: +BSD Mailbox, +Netscape/Mozilla Mailbox, +Eudora Mailbox, +Squid cache, +Pegasus Mailbox, +MS Outlook Mailbox,
Macro heuristic..................: on
File heuristic...................: medium
Deviating risk categories........: +APPL,+GAME,+JOKE,+PCK,+SPR,
Start of the scan: jeudi 10 avril 2008 15:45
The scan of running processes will be started
Scan process 'avscan.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iexplore.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avcenter.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'msnmsgr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'WLLoginProxy.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iexplore.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'explorer.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'usnsvc.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'alg.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMIndexStoreSvr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMIndexingService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iPodService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'HPZipm12.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'GoogleUpdater.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'nvsvc32.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'LSSrvc.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'GoogleUpdaterService.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'guard.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'sched.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'TeaTimer.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'Shareaza.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'ctfmon.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'NMBgMonitor.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avgnt.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avgas.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'kbd.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'VM_STI.EXE' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'ALCXMNTR.EXE' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'rundll32.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'iTunesHelper.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'WinRemote.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'SchSvr.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'hphmon06.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'hpsysdrv.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'jusched.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'avguard.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'spoolsv.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'svchost.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'lsass.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'services.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'winlogon.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'csrss.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
Scan process 'smss.exe' - '1' Module(s) have been scanned
48 processes with 48 modules were scanned
Start scanning boot sectors:
Boot sector 'C:\'
[NOTE] No virus was found!
Boot sector 'D:\'
[NOTE] No virus was found!
Starting to scan the registry.
The registry was scanned ( '37' files ).
Starting the file scan:
Begin scan in 'C:\' <Disque Dur >
C:\hiberfil.sys
[WARNING] The file could not be opened!
C:\pagefile.sys
[WARNING] The file could not be opened!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Bureau\Raccourcis Bureau non utilisés\SmitfraudFix\restart.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the SPR/Tool.Hardoff.A program
[INFO] The file was moved to '48711b4c.qua'!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Mes documents\programmes\clean.zip
[0] Archive type: ZIP
--> clean/pskill.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/Tool.PsKill.2
[INFO] The file was moved to '4863206a.qua'!
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Propriétaire\Mes documents\programmes\VirtumundoBeGone.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/Processor
[INFO] The file was moved to '48702073.qua'!
C:\hp\bin\KillIt.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/KillApp.A
[INFO] The file was moved to '486a22a6.qua'!
C:\hp\bin\KillWind.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/KillApplicat.A
[INFO] The file was moved to '486a22b3.qua'!
C:\WINDOWS\nircmd.exe
[DETECTION] Contains detection pattern of the application APPL/NirCmd.3
[INFO] The file was moved to '4870281f.qua'!
Begin scan in 'D:\' <HP_RECOVERY>
End of the scan: jeudi 10 avril 2008 17:00
Used time: 1:15:19 min
The scan has been done completely.
9914 Scanning directories
582979 Files were scanned
6 viruses and/or unwanted programs were found
0 Files were classified as suspicious:
0 files were deleted
0 files were repaired
6 files were moved to quarantine
0 files were renamed
2 Files cannot be scanned
582973 Files not concerned
18861 Archives were scanned
2 Warnings
0 Notes
Je les ai mit en quarantaine, dois je encore refaire le scan dans touts les dossiers?
Merci de votre patience
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"puis le bureau s'enleve et 10 secondes après réapparait " : peux-tu expliquer EXACTEMENT ce qui se passe ?
Tu es sur d'avoir les dernieres mises à jour installés ?
http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx
http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx
Les mises à jour sont automatique chez moi
enfin ici il me dit
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enfin ici il me dit
Microsoft Office 2003
Microsoft Office 2003 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
Taille du téléchargement : 134.5 Mo , 13 minutes
Microsoft Office 2003 Service Pack 3 (SP3) propose des améliorations majeures en matière de sécurité et de stabilité. Certains correctifs fournis avec le SP3 ont été précédemment publiés sous forme de mises à jour séparées. Ce Service Pack les combine en une seule mise à jour. Détails...
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Ad-Aware :
https://www.adaware.com/
Spybot :
https://www.safer-networking.org/download/
Ccleaner
https://filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
Tutorial FR : http://www.internetmonitor.lu/download/ccleaner_27082006.pdf
Ne pas oublier de mettra à jour d'abord et de faire un scan de TOUT le disque dur.
https://www.adaware.com/
Spybot :
https://www.safer-networking.org/download/
Ccleaner
https://filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
Tutorial FR : http://www.internetmonitor.lu/download/ccleaner_27082006.pdf
Ne pas oublier de mettra à jour d'abord et de faire un scan de TOUT le disque dur.
Bonjour,
J'ai telecharger Regcleaner, je l'ai mit en francais , j'ai regardé un peu et fait qq manipulations mais je ne comprend pas trop ce programme qui malgré le net serait facile
pourriez vous me dire comment manipulé ce programmes car j'ai enlevé les cookies,... défragmenté et j'ai tjs ce soucis Grrr
J'ai telecharger Regcleaner, je l'ai mit en francais , j'ai regardé un peu et fait qq manipulations mais je ne comprend pas trop ce programme qui malgré le net serait facile
pourriez vous me dire comment manipulé ce programmes car j'ai enlevé les cookies,... défragmenté et j'ai tjs ce soucis Grrr
J'ai fais ce que vous m'avez dit, et il m'a detecté 13 trojan, 4X Tr/Vundo.Gen et 9X TR/Dldr.Conhook
j'ai fais Delete, j'ai redémarrer le pc et malheureusement j'ai toujours le soucis :( :( :(
J'ai essayé aussi de mettre Antivir dans mon 2ème pc qui est un portable sous vista et qd je veux l'installer il me dit antivir.exe n'est pas une application Win32 Valide
Pouvez vous m'en dire plus ?
J'ai fais tout ce que vous m'avez dit et aucun changement non plus ... :( :(