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802.11be slower than 802.11ax

Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member -  
flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   -

Hello,

I just upgraded to Windows 24H2 and thought it was the right time to test Wi-Fi 7 802.11be.

I have the TP-Link Archer TBE550E network card and the Freebox Pop.

When I use Wi-Fi 7, I get a download speed of 25 Mbps, but with Wi-Fi 6, I get 800 Mbps...

Could you please help me?

ax
be

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    brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450
     

    Hello,

    these screens represent the information from the fbx, right?

    Aside from this downstream speed indication (theoretical speed), which is certainly erroneous, I don't see anything that differentiates on this side, we need to check the configuration on the PC side, the box configuration is the same and there's no 6 GHz channel (normal on the pop) and especially no channel width of 320 MHz, which is one of the main characteristics of wifi7 with QAM 4096 instead of 1024.

    Can't you configure the pop to 320 in 5 GHz? It's true that without the 6 GHz, it’s difficult.

    The indicated speeds are theoretical, we would need real tests between two PCs preferably with one connected to the box at 2.5 Gbit/s using iperf or openspeedtest.

    https://www.lesnumeriques.com/repeteurs-wi-fi/labo-nos-premiers-tests-en-wifi-7-ca-envoie-tres-fort-n218422.html

    What does it say on the PC side?

    And here we are, there you go ....

    But misery, how annoying the line spacing is!!

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    1. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      Hello,

      I did some speed tests and the result is the same

      on wifi 6 :

      ax

      on wifi 7 :

      be

      on the PC side: I have a gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H motherboard

      I took a screenshot of the wifi settings, I don't know if it's worth much:

      wifi config

      And no, I can't configure the box with a bandwidth of 320..

      I reset the network settings of the wifi, same thing, even with the unification of the 2 wifis (2.4 and 5Ghz)

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      1. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
         

        By the way, how do you force WiFi 6? Driver settings in the device manager?

        You can't even test with another OS, TPlink doesn't have a driver other than W11 for this card.

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      2. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
         

        Yes, I force device manager dance

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  2. yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 1 588
     

    Hello,

    The MLO (multi link operation) does not seem to be enabled on the box.

    Wi-Fi 7 allows for the simultaneous use of multiple channels, so the box should allow configuring a multi-channel Wi-Fi SSID specifically.

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    1. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      Hello,

      I reset the box settings and merged the 2 Wi-Fi networks (2.4 and 5 GHz) but got the same result.

      Is there a specific setting that allows it to be activated?

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    2. yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   1 588 > Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      Merge the 2 wifi bands, you mean giving them the same SSID?

      I have the impression that your box does not support MLO. In general, MLO is configured by assigning it another SSID, specific to MLO. So, for each band, you have an SSID (you can use the same SSID for multiple bands), and, moreover, an SSID for MLO, which automatically uses all available bands.

      As long as your box does not offer any specific wifi 7 features, it seems pointless to force wifi 7 (be) on the PC. And when the box does offer it, it will be by choosing the MLO SSID, not by changing the options in the interface on the PC.

      What does your PC do if you let it choose freely?

      All of this does not explain why it is slower on be than on ax.

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    3. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member > yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
       

      Yes, the 2.4 and 5 GHz networks are on the same SSID, but indeed I can't find anything that mentions MLO in my box's settings. Yet, I chose the Freebox Pop for the supposedly offered Wi-Fi 7, even if it doesn't support 6 GHz...

      By resetting my network card settings (thus uninstalling/reinstalling the driver, as there's no software), it connects to Wi-Fi 7 because, I suppose, my Freebox Pop offers it. (With its 25 Mbps)

      In itself, Wi-Fi 6 is perfectly fine for me, the speeds are very good, but by moving my desk at home, I had to buy a Wi-Fi card and thought that for a few more € I might gain a few ms of ping.

      I'm going to switch boxes because apparently Wi-Fi 7 is just a selling point for this box, implemented poorly. I can certainly find cheaper options elsewhere to use Wi-Fi 6.

      Indeed, forcing Wi-Fi 7 is not very useful in the end with my current setup; I just saw on Reddit people in the same situation as me, apparently it would be the network card itself that is poorly designed.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/wifi/comments/1bz5coe/wifi_7_slower_than_wifi_6/

      I also sent a message to TP-Link support, but I have little hope...

      I hope my network card will be compatible with other Wi-Fi 7 boxes and not just the one that uses the Mediatek MT7927 card, which apparently crashes...

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    4. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      From what I understand from the documents, since I have never experienced it, the MLO can be configured on a special SSID that can include several basic SSIDs on the relevant bands, a kind of superssid.

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    5. yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   1 588 > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       

      A SSID can be associated with one or more bands. This allows the SSID client to choose the band used.

      When an MLO SSID is associated with multiple bands, the client can simultaneously use multiple bands.

      Technically, a SSID never "includes" another. Multiple SSIDs can be associated with the same band.

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  3. flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 5 170
     

    Hello

    On the PC side: I have a Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H motherboard

    This motherboard does not have native WiFi, so are you using a WiFi daughter card, a TP-Link Archer TBE550E? There is probably a configuration menu on a card of this range, because in my opinion that's where you need to look.

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  4. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
     

    Hello,

    I don't have software that allows me to control the settings of this network card, but I modify its configuration through the driver properties in the device manager.

    Currently, everything is set to auto, and I manually select whether it connects in 802.11be or ax.

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  6. bazfile Posted messages 58496 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   20 273
     

    Hello @Tisiokid StatusMember.

    I have a Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H motherboard

    In the utilities provided by Gigabyte for this motherboard, there is the application cFosSpeed. If you have it installed, uninstall it and check if it improves.

    bazfile
    Moderator/Security Contributor.
    A hello, a response, a thank you are always appreciated.

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    1. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      Hello,

      No, I never installed it on the computer. By the way, when transitioning from Windows version 23H2 to 24H2, many Gigabyte drivers were no longer compatible, supposedly because of security. So I uninstalled a lot of Gigabyte software.

      And indeed, I installed it to test; it significantly reduces the speed.

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    2. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
       

      Were you able to test it in 23H2?

      So many things have started to go wrong for those who have moved to 24H2.

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    3. yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   1 588 > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       

      Windows only supports Wi-Fi 7 starting from 24H2.

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    4. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
       

      ah OK,

      thanks, I didn’t know, so officially, he still doesn’t support ....

      Especially since apparently, it’s still not great :-(

      On Android, it’s been a few months already (for those who have the hardware).

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    5. yg_be Posted messages 23437 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   1 588 > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       

      Here, I wonder if the box is not to blame.

      It seems that Windows 24H2 works very well with Wi-Fi 7 using the Intel BE200 and BE201 cards.

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  7. Tisiokid Posted messages 21 Status Member
     

    For your information,

    I contacted TP-Link support and they are aware of the issue with my network card; they are working with Mediatek to resolve the problem.

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    1. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450
       

      Thank you, it's very interesting to know, so the Freebox is not to blame, or is the problem just with the fbxs?

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    2. flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   5 170 > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       

      And long live the van -;)

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    3. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
       

      Hello,

      the vans with Wi-Fi 7 must not come cheap, rather in the Ferrari category they are, but apparently they are starting to become more and more common.

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    4. brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   14 450 > flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
       

      The test is as stupid as the car, it's really talking for the sake of talking.

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    5. flo88 Posted messages 28491 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   5 170 > brupala Posted messages 111151 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       

      Indeed, I had chosen it for the photo, but the article is also spectacular.

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