Is changing graphics memory cost-effective?

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Hello,
So for those who may not be aware, yes, we can change the memory chips on our Graphics Cards, but not for those who have no knowledge.
First, you need to have specific tools, and if you don't know how to make them yourself, buying them can be quite expensive, very expensive indeed. So if it's just to replace the chips on your own graphics card, like upgrading from 2 to 4 or from 4 to 8 Gigabytes of video memory, don't think about it, buy yourself a graphics card with that amount of memory.

First of all, there are 3 types or categories of cards.
the standard version, the Super version and the TI version. And here, for instance, compared to a Super version, a TI version will have a maximum number of chips. The Super version will have a lower number, and the Base version will have the minimum number.
So a basic graphics card, like a GTX 1650, has 4 chips. And with this, as for the GDDR5, in terms of maximum capacity per chip, it is 1 Gigabyte, so with 4 chips, you're already at the maximum possible memory.
With once again the Base version from 2019, which was equipped with GDDR5 memory chips,
Now if you have the GDDR6 version from 2020, with the 4 GB, then with this one, yes, you can currently upgrade it; the maximum capacity per chip is 4GB, so it can go up to 16GB.
But this can only be done once again with the GDDR6 version.

If you have a GTX 1650 Super version, it already has 6 slots for chips. And this version is already equipped with GDDR6, and only 4 memory chip slots have been used.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super/3.html

So here, by buying 2 additional 1GB chips, you can upgrade it to the 6GB version, which is the amount of video RAM that a GTX 1660 Super has.

Currently, for GDDR6, the 4GB chip exists, and so just by swapping the original 4 chips, once again identical to the Base version of the 1650 equipped with GDDR6, you can upgrade it to 16GB.
And equipped with 6 chips, you can have a variant with 24GB of GDDR6.

And the Ti version? For the 1650, in 2019, a TI version was indeed announced, but for now, the only existing TI models are those found in laptops. And with this version, it’s 4GB VRAM. So here too, since it’s GDDR6, you can upgrade it to 16GB.

But this will only be a small part of the work because yes, of course, on YouTube you can find videos showing people changing their memory chips and just showing the result with the amount of memory either in a game, or through a Benchmark, or even Techpowerup GPU at the end of the videos.

But if you want to change an RTX2080 TI from 11GB to 22GB, well yes, there's this video from a Russian guy, where he states that you also need to change other components.
And like him, this is not the first time he does it, plus he works in an Electronics workshop for repairs, so I leave it to you to watch, and activate the translation, translate rather into English, in French certain words will quickly become incomprehensible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IY_bfOyARQ&t=534s

And of course, you also need to modify the BIOS, like for example, the old GTX 550 which was just known for having a maximum of 1GB of GDDR5 memory. Of course, now there is the GTX 550 version with 8GB. Since 8 memory chips.

These memory chips are not expensive to buy, around 5-10€ per chip, so a quick calculation, 5x8 = 40€ for the GDDR5. And of course bought in China.
And so for the models that require changing additional components, let’s say at most we’ll be around 30-40€, but here I’m really looking at the prices broadly.

But the most expensive part, yes, it’s the tools used to heat the chips to the right temperature.
The cheapest version is to use a heat gun, but here you need to find the right height to reach the degrees, not overheating, and also not leaving it too long with the heat.

But will you really be better off changing your own memories on your graphics card, instead of buying a version containing that number of gigabytes of video RAM???

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  1. mich265 Posted messages 110 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
     
    For SK Hynix chips, as an example of course:
    http://www.cpuprocessorchip.com/quality-11376462-8g-denisty-dram-computer-chip-skhynix-gddr5-sdram-h5gc8h24mjr-t2c-long-lifespan

    Here read "Speed" the 8G = 1GB/chip Thus with 8 chips we will indeed have 8GB of VRAM
    the 4G = 512MB/chip.

    With the references from Hynix, I don't know too much yet.
    but since there are 2 models for memory speed, either the 512MB version or the 1GB version, of course here for GDDR5.
    So for "speed" with 4G I find R4G and for the 8G, similarly there exists this R4G, but with the reference for the 1GB chips.

    And this reference:
    H5GC8H24AJR in 1GB. with speed code R2C/R0C.
    Thus we can read that with this reference = 7Gbs that is 7 Giga bits in transfer speed.
    7.0Gbps
    H5GC4H24AJR-R0C:
    FBGA(170ball)
    16Bank, 1.5V / 1.5V

    that is the 512MB version.
    So if we find the same chip in 512MB and the variant in 1GB, using the same speed, where there is just the difference from simple to double, here no concrete problem.

    https://www.hardware.fr/news/13981/gddr5-8-gbps-hbm-128-go-s-hynix.html

    I leave you to read in French, about what is mentioned at SK Hynix. with the 4G.
    2014 is still recent, due to Samsung, here for the 8G chips, it goes back 10-16 years. depending on speeds.
    Why were we so long in GDDR3? with our old graphics card models?
    Before the chips are sold to the public market, they are first sold to companies.
    Here to believe that DASSAULT AVIATION, or the major engineering and design firms that develop complex models, still have GDDR6 on their graphics cards, is a dream.

    And Epango, to answer you, it is under study, with my project, primarily modifying my old graphics card GTX 660 Ti.
    We agree, it will only yield 20-30 FPS, even increasing the Graphics RAM from 2GB to 8GB, with an old Kepler processor we can't expect to gallop like an RTX.
    This one, with 8GB of Graphics RAM will suffice me for working with Maya 3D or Photoshop.
    So the GTX 550 Ti also exists in an 8GB version, sold at A..... for €160.
    But well, before I dive in, I'll still need the tools, and to modify the BIOS chip, here it's again an investment for one of those models. https://fr.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=eeprom+programmer&d=y&origin=n&catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20220226064717

    Without this, yes it is clear, my BIOS will tell me M....... to recognize my card.
    Because it allows reading the old data from a BIOS file, and it is enough just to change the values, to obtain a new BIOS; which will not exist for any other model that had already been manufactured and sold by a brand.
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  2. epango Posted messages 37195 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   Ambassadeur 4 270
     
    First, the RAM in your first link is not G-DDR, but DDR5 (the generation of RAM that just came out with Intel's 12th generation). I don't think your course on RAM evolution interests many people. Wait until you've upgraded the G-RAM of your GTX 660 Ti to prove to us that it's feasible and at what price.

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  3. mich265 Posted messages 110 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
     
    Chez Sk Hynix, a link is mentioned!
    SKHYNIX GDDR5 SDRAM H5GC8H24MJR-T2C 256*32 memory chip

    GDDR6 Internal Memory Ram SAMSUNG 8G Memory Density 256X32M K4Z80325BC-HC16 FBGA
    ok? = 180 balls for the GDDR6 standard here, so only 1GB, since 256*32 = 8192 Bit.

    DRAM Memory Chip MT51J256M32HF-70:A IC RAM 8G PARALLEL 170FBGA Memory Chip
    here MT = Micron Technology.
    170 FBGA = GDDR5 standard

    And also with this designation: d9tcb
    here this is the cache behind the Micron Tech chip.
    https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005003042268316.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2fra&spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.11.292e63f3i5mHqt&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.13338.255040.0&scm_id=1007.13338.255040.0&scm-url=1007.13338.255040.0&pvid=e3369405-e009-4fbd-b4ce-d842bf98eaf1&_t=gps-id%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%2Cscm-url%3A1007.13338.255040.0%2Cpvid%3Ae3369405-e009-4fbd-b4ce-d842bf98eaf1%2Ctpp_buckets%3A668%232846%238112%231997&pdp_ext_f=%257B%2522sku_id%2522%253A%252212000023408262452%2522%252C%2522sceneId%2522%253A%252230050%2522%257D&pdp_pi=-1%253B15.13%253B-1%253B-1%2540salePrice%253BEUR%253Brecommend-recommend

    Sorry that the link is so long, when I change products several times, the link gets longer.
    so here we have 3 Brands. H5 = code for SK Hynix
    K4 = Samsung
    and for D9TCB = https://www.aliexpress.com/i/33026087942.html
    So 3 versions of the MT brand.
    So the one containing the full series number Micron Tech, paying full price. 15€ and some change.
    MT51J256M32HF-80A

    And for RAM chips for DDR4 and DDR5.
    see here with these other designations.
    SIMM, DIMM, SODIMM and LRDIMM
    Come on, for once a bit of reading in our good language won't do you any harm, it changes with the information in English and other languages.
    https://www.axxiv.ch/fr/dram-simm-dimm-udimm-rdimm-sodimm-lrdimm-et-non-ecc-quest-ce-que-cest-et-a-quoi-cela-sert-il/

    These are not the same chips that equip the Graphics Cards, either the 170 ball standard or in English, Balls.
    And of course, here even if there is the 170 ball standard, the chips for Graphics Cards measure 12x14mm
    while our DDR RAM sticks measure 7.4x 10.3mm

    The Graphics card chips, therefore GDDR6 memory, are also 12x14mm, so we really cannot go wrong by replacing with a DDR4 or DDR5 chip from a stick.

    And here are the first models of GDDR5, of course with the Samsung brand leading the way.

    GDDR5 was revealed by Samsung Electronics in July 2007. They announced that they would mass-produce GDDR5 starting in January 2008.[2]

    Hynix Semiconductor introduced the industry's first 60 nm class "1 Gb" (10243 bit) GDDR5 memory in 2007.[3] It supported a bandwidth of 20 GB/s on a 32-bit bus, which enables memory configurations of 1 GB at 160 GB/s with only 8 circuits on a 256-bit bus. The following year, in 2008, Hynix bested this technology with its 50 nm class "1 Gb" GDDR5 memory.

    In November 2007, Qimonda, a spin-off of Infineon, demonstrated and sampled GDDR5,[4] and released a paper about the technologies behind GDDR5.[5] As of May 10, 2008, Qimonda announced volume production of 512 Mb GDDR5 components rated at 3.6 Gbit/s (900 MHz), 4.0 Gbit/s (1 GHz), and 4.5 Gbit/s (1.125 GHz).[6]

    On November 20, 2009, Elpida Memory announced the opening of the company's Munich Design Center, responsible for Graphics DRAM (GDDR) design and engineering. Elpida received GDDR design assets from Qimonda AG in August 2009 after Qimonda's bankruptcy. The design center has approximately 50 employees and is equipped with high-speed memory testing equipment for use in the design, development, and evaluation of Graphics memory.[7][8] On July 31, 2013, Elpida became a fully owned subsidiary of Micron Technology and based on current public LinkedIn professional profiles, Micron continues to operate the Graphics Design Center in Munich.[9][10]
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  4. mich265 Posted messages 110 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
     
    And here, in French, with the YouTube video link of the Russian who modified his RTX 2080 Ti to 22 GDDR6, isn't it?
    So it's also well mentioned on this specialized site.
    https://www.hardwarecooking.fr/une-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-moddee-prend-22-go-de-memoire/

    So a strap in electronic components is this:
    https://www.distronic.fr/composants-passifs/2969-resistance-cms-1206-strap-0-ohm.html
    that is, a mere resistor.
    But I will let Conrad explain in detail the role of SMD resistors.
    https://www.conrad.fr/o/resistances-cms-0241260

    And there are plenty of them on our graphics cards, the letter on the PCBs = R to indicate that it is a resistor.
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  5. mich265 Posted messages 110 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
     
    So let's go back in history for a moment. When at Hynix you read 10243 bits here, the correct value is 1024 bits, and if you divide it by 8, you get 128MB for its first chips.
    So I need to review the data from Samsung Tech again, but I clearly saw that for their first GDDR5 chips it was 64MB, meaning the first ones were rated at 16M32.
    So the first graphics cards equipped with Samsung chips had the famous 512MB of GDDR5 (with 8 chips)
    And with the basic versions, we reached 256MB of GDDR5 with 4 chips.

    But modding or transforming these models from the Ice Age by boosting their RAM.
    Here the GPU would rather wonder what game you are playing, it is a Grandfather or a Grandmother, he or she has never learned with these transistors to face such a large number of frames per second.
    So it’s better to avoid all the very old graphics cards.
    I myself, with my old Kepler, as I mentioned to you, my card will only be used for my 3D and 2D work, and why not my video editing.
    I do have a GTX 1650 card. So from a processor point of view, a TU117 it is up to date since it was released in 2019. But with this one, depending on the number of chips I am already stuck at my 4GB of GDDR5; unfortunately, I bet on the wrong horse by buying GDDR5 instead of waiting for the release of the GDDR6 version.
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    1. epango Posted messages 37195 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 270
       
      What you are saying is not very interesting. What does it matter to people to know "I indeed possess a GTX 1650 card. So from a processor point of view, a TU117 is up to date, since it was released in 2019. But with this one, depending on the number of chips, I'm already limited to my 4GB of GDDR5. Unfortunately, I bet on the wrong horse by buying the GDDR5 instead of waiting for the release of the GDDR6 version."
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  6. Anonymous user
     
    Hello,

    I haven't read everything, but you're underestimating the task.
    In addition to needing the required equipment and experience, you don't mention what type of memory chip, what frequency? Voltage? Manufacturer? Memory bus of the card, etc. etc...
    Not to mention that the drivers probably won't work after the change.
    And let's not forget that VRAM isn't everything if the graphics processor can't keep up, and you're also not talking about power consumption, transformer, and the need to modify the power stage of the graphics card in question.

    Anyway, I leave this kind of thing to the manufacturers; we don't play with fire, especially considering the price of graphics cards.
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  7. epango Posted messages 37195 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   Ambassadeur 4 270
     
    If it were as simple and cheap as you claim, it would be known and everyone would add VRAM to their GPUs.
    Have you ever tried to add VRAM to your GPUs yourself?

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