Old amplifier connection issue, very low sound

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baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   -
Hello,

I have an old Harman Kardon amp (TA 602 maybe, the label is half worn off)

Both speakers work perfectly (I swapped the connections to make sure it’s not the speakers).

The problem is that the left side (left of the amp) is producing a very low volume sound, making the music play in mono.

This has happened before but sporadically; I thought it was due to a bad wire connection because when I fiddled with the cables, it would resolve quickly.

Today, during a big cleaning, I reconnected everything properly.

With my brief tests, it seems to be neither the cables nor the speakers.

Also, the same problem occurs if I connect the cables to the "system 2" of the speakers.

Is there anything that can be done?

I love my sound system, it’s the best purchase I’ve ever made in my life, bought second-hand from a retired electrician.

Thank you!

4 answers

  1. baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   14 390
     
    Hello,
    Is this the model?
    If so, where are your speakers connected? System 1 or System 2

    It's very difficult to catch a black cat in a dark room.
    Especially when it's not there...
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    1. totorlalligatore
       
      Yes, that's the model.
      The speakers are usually connected to system 1.
      That said, I tried it on system 2, same result: very low volume on the speaker connected to the left, the sound quality is not terrible.
      Do you have any ideas?
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  2. Andy31200 Posted messages 26918 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 201
     
    Hello,
    My idea is that the left power transistor is quite worn out

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  3. Jojolaguitare Posted messages 12012 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   2 782
     
    Hello.

    <<< because when I fiddled with the cables, it got solved quickly. >>>

    It’s strange that this channel works from time to time. The volume or balance pot may be dirty.
    A spray of Weicon (or WD-40) into all the pots, while turning back and forth with each spray, let it dry for a couple of hours and try again.

    But if there's no improvement, I would agree with Andy's opinion. Defective output transistors. Apparently, they are TO-126, so not too expensive (4 pieces). After that, it’s clear that a good overhaul wouldn’t hurt, but of course, you need to know what you’re doing.

    (For humor) Unless you want to treat yourself... if you have the means ==>

    https://hifivintage.eu/fr/amplificateurs/1747-harman-kardon-ta-600.html

    See you later...

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    1. totorlalligatore
       
      Thank you for the advice,

      <<< because when I was tweaking the cables, it was resolved quickly. >>> :
      yes indeed, I attributed it to poor connections on the wires, but upon retesting, it's hard to misconnect them. But in this case, could a bad connection have damaged the infamous transistor?

      I must have one or two screwdrivers; let's just say I don't feel up to doing the electronics; I imagine there are meticulous soldering jobs to do.

      I'm going to spray some cleaner in the pots, you never know...

      "Good lifting" I bought it 4 years ago from a retiree electrician musician who has done this before, other than that everything works perfectly.

      I'm flattered to see that the machine sells for 9000€, thanks for this info! I was even more flattered when I saw it appear in a scene from Wrong Cops by Quentin Dupieux.
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  4. baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   14 390
     
    The polarities have been properly respected (+ of the amp connected to + of the speakers)
    What happens if you adjust the balance?

    You have two headphone outputs, if you connect a headphone, does the same issue occur on the left side?

    A spray of "contact cleaner" on the "Balance" and "Volume" potentiometers as well as the switches that activate system1 or system2 and a bit of all the contacts might be a solution.
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    1. totorlalligatore
       
      Yes, the polarities are respected, I have every other wire marked with a red stripe.

      Good catch on the headsets, but I don't have any, no adapter, no jack, nothing, I'll try to borrow some.

      Go for the contact cleaner, but I don't really believe in it.

      While playing with the balance I have the described problem; no sound on the left unless I turn the volume all the way up, the speaker works, I connected it to the 'right' input, and no issue.
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      1. baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   14 390 > totorlalligatore
         
        If I understood correctly, it does the same thing on the left side of System 2, and that's why I think the issue could come from one of the volume or balance potentiometers, or from the switches that direct to System 1 or System 2.
        In fact, we should be able to test the circuit with professional equipment...
        For your information, I am attaching a link to a site where you can find the electronic schematic for this amplifier.
        see https://elektrotanya.com/harman-kardon_ta600_sm.pdf/download.html#dl
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      2. totorlalligatore > baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention  
         
        Well spotted.
        I don't understand the reasoning, but empirically it holds up.
        1- Now the left side works
        2- The knobs are not original
        3- The machine has indeed been tinkered with.
        4- THANK YOU
        5- So the problem is constantly random.
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      3. baladur13 Posted messages 47328 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   14 390 > totorlalligatore
         
        A loose connection in a corner...
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