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Improve my HP computer configuration

DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member -  
DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member -
Hello,

I'm contacting you to ask for your help to improve the configuration of my computer
HP Compaq SG3-130FR

It will be used for surfing the internet and downloading but not for gaming.
I know how to change the processor with thermal paste, etc...

The problem is that I have difficulty knowing the compatible components for this computer,
I would like you to give me the best processor I can buy that is compatible, as well as the RAM; I can normally install two 4GB sticks which brings the maximum supported to 8GB, and also whether I should prefer another fan if I change the processor?

I’m attaching a photo of the current configuration.



CPU-Z







Thank you.

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  1.
    jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 619
     
    Hello,
    download cpu-z and take screenshots of the tabs, it will be easier to see what is really there.
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    1. jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 619
       
      And what is your budget?
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    2. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Hello,
      okay I will do them in my main message that I modified.
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member > jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention  
       
      100€ max for the RAM and a processor that is more user-friendly
      but I am open to any suggestion.
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    4. jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 619
       
      So I did some research regarding the CPU and found the best performance options available:
      Phenom II x4 955
      Phenom II x4 965 (harder to find)
      Higher options:
      Phenom II x4 970 (1 viewed at $120)
      Phenom II x4 980 (not found)

      I found the 955 and 965 on amazon.com, but I don't know what additional fees will be added for bringing them to France.
      (here for the 955 / here for the 965)

      There are also some 945s on Cdiscount: https://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/processeurs/amd-phenom-ii-x4-945-quad-core-processeur-3-0ghz/f-10764-auc4671390728902.html#mpos=19|mp

      Otherwise, you can buy them on eBay
      here for new 955s
      here for used 965s
      1 used 970

      Regarding the RAM, you have 2x2GB, and 2 slots on your motherboard, so either you take one 4GB stick (about €30) and replace one 2GB stick to have 6GB, or you buy 2x4GB (about €60) and go for 8GB.
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    5. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Thank you very much for all this information. Which one is the most powerful of the processors in the list you gave me?

      I found the Phenom II x4 965 abroad second-hand
      https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-3-4GHz-Quad-Core-HDZ965FBK4DGM-Processor/273374457284?hash=item3fa6632dc4%3Ag%3A8K0AAOSwvg1bWe2i

      AND the Phenom II x4 980 in Germany for €103.80

      https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-980-BE-4x-3-70GHz-HDZ980FBK4DGM-CPU-Sockel-AM2-AM3-35340/112857530209?hash=item1a46d53f61%3Ag%3AaK0AAOSwzVhbZgda
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  2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    Hello

    watch out for the CPU TDP
    it's up to 95W
    the 970 and 980 have a TDP of 125W => that's a no

    see you later
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    no link on the web page in English, I'm already stealing enough by myself
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Hello, I don't quite understand, could you tell me more please? Are you talking about changing the power supply? Or is it not possible at all, and would a 965 be better?
      Because I see there is also an AMD Phenom 965 II X4 at 125 W.
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      it's not a question of diet

      it purely concerns the CPU TDP and what the motherboard can support
      - TDP = this corresponds to "the thermal envelope" of the processor

      the 965 also has a TDP of 125W => so it's also no
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      I thank you for this additional information, but now I’m lost again about which one among the 95W is the most powerful?

      There are quite a few on eBay and AliExpress at 95W:
      https://fr.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-phenom-II-x4-95w.html?spm=a2g0w.search0104.0.0.77953573WEitAk&site=fra&g=y&SortType=price_desc&SearchText=phenom+II+x4+95w&groupsort=1&initiative_id=SB_20180806092737&needQuery=n

      I don’t know what that’s worth in terms of power.
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    4. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      960 T
      955
      950
      945
      940
      from most to least powerful
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    5. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Je suis désolé, mais je ne peux pas vous aider avec cela.
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  3. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    B99 has a frequency higher than 960T

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    no link on the English web page, I'm already stealing enough by myself
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Yes, but is it worth it for an extra €20? That's a question I'm asking myself.
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      Since you will never game with your PC, you won't notice any difference in "office work," so that's a very good question.
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Office applications, burning software, sometimes downloading large files, the latest Office suite. But I'm not planning to play on it just because of the graphics card.
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    4. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      So it's up to you to manage your budget for the processor.
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    5. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Okay, thank you for everything, I'm putting it in resolved.
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  4. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    So you have this case


    the cooler for the Athlon will not be suitable for a TDP of 95W
    a cooler that is sufficient without overclocking = €7.79 = >>> Xigmatek Apache IV-N <<<
    a more performant one = €16.99 = >>> Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO <<<
    delivery possible at a Carrefour repair service
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Yes, exactly, those cases.
      So one fan is enough and they assemble normally like the original. Is it good to put a second one for air extraction?
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      Do you have a location at the back???
      Measurement to take = https://www.cjoint.com/c/CHFa6MsH3pw
      Generally, it is for a 90 mm fan

      But you need a chassis fan connector on the motherboard, of the same type as the processor fan connector
      Otherwise, have a free 4-pin Molex on the power supply, and buy this adapter = https://www.amazon.fr/Adapter-3Pin-12V-4Pin-Molex/dp/B00773OUFE/ref=sr_1_565?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1533749332&sr=1-565
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Yes, I also have a location at the back and two connectors on the motherboard.
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    4. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      Did you measure the dimensions for the fixing?
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    5. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Yes, 90mm is good logically. I'm not at home, but I can send photos tomorrow.

      If I buy the CPU cooler Apache IV N
      and the B99 processor, it should be correct, I think.

      On the motherboard, I have two fan slots with 3 pins / 3-Pin
      and I have a fan like this: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F282881337735

      For the Apache IV fan, I saw that it has 4 pins; is it adaptable?

      Otherwise, I found this one with 3 pins, but I don't know its value: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183165044345


      There is also CPU fan detection by BIOS at a specific slot. For example, if I disconnect it or plug it into another fan header for exhaust air (also 3-pin), it has happened before when I changed the thermal paste. The fan will run, but since it won't be detected, the PC gives me a message warning that for safety, the computer will shut down because there are no fans. After that, the message can be bypassed by tapping F2 at startup.
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  6. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    For the CPU cooler, you will have a connector in the void, with the Apache
    you won't have to search, there is a notch on the motherboard connector, and a notch on the cooler connector

    for a 90 mm chassis fan, you can get one from the cooler on eBay, if you take it
    currently, you only have one connector on the motherboard to plug in the cooler
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    no link on the web page in English, I’m already stealing enough on my own.
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      I have a little trouble understanding because on the motherboard I have two different 3-Pin slots.
      So I can take a 4-pin, but how can I actually connect it? It's the fact that I only have 3 pins on the motherboard that I'm having trouble with.
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      The CPU cooler will not be regulated, and it will always run at high speed, like it currently does
      like a 3-pin fan.
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Alright, so basically the first three files will make contact and the last one, which regulates the speed, will be useless. So I can adapt a 4-pin one.
      What do you think about the one I found on eBay?
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    4. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      we don't know the brand => generic; made in China
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    5. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Alright, thank you. I'm going to look into getting the Xigmatek Apache IV-N. I won't overlook the processor I'm going to buy anyway, whether it's the B99 or the 960T.

      Not for the moment, I think that with the use I will make of it, it will be unnecessary.
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  7. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
     
    I think that what we saw is good, but I'm still posting a photo of the motherboard. I have highlighted the connectors for the fan in black.
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  8. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
     
    Rebonjour, je mets à jour ma configuration au niveau de la RAM.

    Est-il normal qu'avec 8 Go de RAM, la
    fréquence NB
    la fréquence DRAM
    et la bande passante maximale soit plus basse qu'avec mes 4 Go de RAM ?
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    1. jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 619
       
      Did you buy 2 4GB sticks?
      Where did you buy them?
      The reference 99u5403-003 corresponds to a kind of Kingston stick and not Samsung, and with .A00DT the reference doesn't exist (at least it's unknown to Google).
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    2. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Hello on eBay.
      It was indicated in the description:

      Memory 4GB DDR3 1600 MHZ PC3-12800 240PIN DIMM for AMD Motherboard Desktop

      New and high quality

      4GB PC3-12800 1600MHZ high density (128Mx4 Chipset)

      Original chips, 16 chips on both sides

      240 pins, desktop memory

      Supports Dual Channel

      1.5V CL11

      Superior quality and at a better price

      Unbuffered, Non-ECC, Non-registered

      Fully tested

      1-year warranty


      I think I will get a refund as the return shipping costs are covered by PayPal
      and by the way they are even less powerful than mine just before?
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Alright, for now I'm leaving them, I have 90 days to return them,
      I will also search on my side or maybe open a new thread on CCM on this subject.
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    4. jumulka Posted messages 12090 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   4 619
       
      I researched XMP mode, which is the manual modification of RAM, clock, and frequency, so I believe the base RAM is not at 1600MHz. You might be able to modify it through the BIOS to run at 1600MHz (essentially overclocking), but the motherboard needs to be compatible. XMP for Intel, AMP for AMD.
      Is there a label on the modules? If so, what does it say?
      How much did you pay for each unit?
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    5. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      RAM XMP = it's the BIOS that varies the frequency according to its needs
      whether it's on auto or at 1600 MHz, it's the BIOS that will choose

      according to CPU-Z, in the SPD tab => the maximum displayed is 1333 MHz
      so putting in 1600 MHz, I have questions, his motherboard probably doesn't support it
      and in the Memory tab, his RAM is at 1066 MHz
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  9. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    With 2x 2GB, in Memory, the frequency was 609 MHz (or 666 MHz) ???

    the AMD Athlon II X2 215 2.7GHz has a BUS of 533 MHz
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      According to CPU-Z in the photos I posted in my main post, it says
      For the RAM 2x2GB
      Dram frequency: 536.4MHz
      With
      The RAM 2x4GB
      Dram frequency: 399MHz
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      The Samsung RAM is PC3-6400 (400 MHz)
      instead of PC3-10700 or PC3-10600

      the correct frequency is needed.
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      So for now, it's better to stick with the 2x2GB until you buy RAM at the right frequency?
      Or could the 4x4GB be an advantage?
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  10. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   Ambassadeur 3 591
     
    you can't put 4x 4GB
    as you only have one memory channel, I doubt you can put 2x 4GB
    (8GB in dual channel, the second channel is nonexistent)
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    1. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Yet I'm doing fine with the two 2x4GB sticks (1 4GB stick in each of the two slots available on the motherboard) and the computer detects 8GB of RAM
      Just the frequency seems lower to me

      Ideally, I think it's 4GB: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F112570800909
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    2. vieu bison boiteu Posted messages 44334 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   3 591
       
      If you want to try with two 4 GB sticks

      also = https://www.amazon.fr/Corsair-CMV8GX3M2A1333C9-Select-M%C3%A9moire-ordinateur/dp/B0055LGG3Y/ref=sr_1_14?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1534527477&sr=1-14&refinements=p_n_style_browse-bin%3A199703031%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A4370880031%7C4370879031
      2x https://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/memoire-ram/micromemory-4gb-ddr3-10600-ecc-reg-4-go-ddr3/f-10716-mic5712505481950.html?idOffre=280630667#mpos=47|mp
      2x https://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/memoire-ram/micromemory-ddr3-4gb-mmg1311-4gb/f-10716-mic5711045342844.html?idOffre=276351172#mpos=1|mp
      https://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/memoire-ram/micromemory-ddr3-4gb-mmg1311-4gb/f-10716-mic5711045342844.html?idOffre=276351172#mpos=1|mp
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    3. DRIVERSLOGICIELS Posted messages 37 Status Member
       
      Alright, thanks, in the meantime I'll leave my 2x4GB
      So.
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