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Matsim
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Hello,
I’m new to InDesign and I have a simple question.
Why is it that when I create a new document with facing pages, the first spread only displays one page, while the subsequent spreads show two pages side by side? This seems illogical to me, because if I start my work on the first page, I will never have both pages side by side in the book on the same spread (I hope I’m making myself clear).
What am I missing?
Thank you in advance.
I’m new to InDesign and I have a simple question.
Why is it that when I create a new document with facing pages, the first spread only displays one page, while the subsequent spreads show two pages side by side? This seems illogical to me, because if I start my work on the first page, I will never have both pages side by side in the book on the same spread (I hope I’m making myself clear).
What am I missing?
Thank you in advance.
6 réponses
It may seem paradoxical, but it is perfectly logical..
In a book, odd pages are on the right, and even pages are on the left.
Page 1 being an odd page cannot have anything on the left side as it is the first page.
The same goes for the last one.. it will be on the left..
In InDesign, when you do "print the booklet".. the pages are automatically imposed and the last page ends up on the left of the first page..
However, in certain cases, it is necessary to have a double page or even a triple page.. in this case, the pages window allows this option by freeing the desired pages.
In a book, odd pages are on the right, and even pages are on the left.
Page 1 being an odd page cannot have anything on the left side as it is the first page.
The same goes for the last one.. it will be on the left..
In InDesign, when you do "print the booklet".. the pages are automatically imposed and the last page ends up on the left of the first page..
However, in certain cases, it is necessary to have a double page or even a triple page.. in this case, the pages window allows this option by freeing the desired pages.
Thank you for your response!
It seems clear to me.
However, I thought that when creating a book, classically, in addition to the front and back cover, we left pages 1-2 blank, on pages 3-4: the title and the "by the same author" on the verso, on pages 5-6: full title and copyright on the verso, etc. So theoretically, the work starts on page 7.
Hence my question, is it not possible to work with the pages as they will appear facing each other in the book?
Thank you for the time you are giving me.
It seems clear to me.
However, I thought that when creating a book, classically, in addition to the front and back cover, we left pages 1-2 blank, on pages 3-4: the title and the "by the same author" on the verso, on pages 5-6: full title and copyright on the verso, etc. So theoretically, the work starts on page 7.
Hence my question, is it not possible to work with the pages as they will appear facing each other in the book?
Thank you for the time you are giving me.
In fact, we often create the cover separately because it is usually not printed on the same paper (thicker paper) or because there is a spine to be made (in the case of a square spine).
So the cover would be made on a "flat" page (like A3 for an A4 book) or larger than A3 if the spine thickness needs to be considered.
The cover is therefore made up of 2 separate pages.
But to answer your question, it is possible to work with the pages as they will appear in a book.
For this, in the pages palette, uncheck "allow reorganization of document pages," and you will be able to drag the pages into the order you want, and the elements on them will follow.
But be careful, it will be up to you to manually manage the bleed, to do the imposition, and to potentially have your file rejected by an external service provider, who needs the single-page order to do their imposition.
That’s why in InDesign, the "print booklet" function has been provided. It automatically does what you would do manually and without the risk of error!!
For a book, remember that you need to have a page count that is a multiple of 4!
So the cover would be made on a "flat" page (like A3 for an A4 book) or larger than A3 if the spine thickness needs to be considered.
The cover is therefore made up of 2 separate pages.
But to answer your question, it is possible to work with the pages as they will appear in a book.
For this, in the pages palette, uncheck "allow reorganization of document pages," and you will be able to drag the pages into the order you want, and the elements on them will follow.
But be careful, it will be up to you to manually manage the bleed, to do the imposition, and to potentially have your file rejected by an external service provider, who needs the single-page order to do their imposition.
That’s why in InDesign, the "print booklet" function has been provided. It automatically does what you would do manually and without the risk of error!!
For a book, remember that you need to have a page count that is a multiple of 4!
Thank you for these very clear details.
As for the cover, I suspected that.
Indeed, the solution to have the pages side by side seems risky. I am therefore forced to work with double-sided sheets. However, that still seems impractical and illogical.
I am simply questioning the difficulty of wanting to insert a background or an image that covers two facing pages (like in the attached example).
Thank you and have a nice day
As for the cover, I suspected that.
Indeed, the solution to have the pages side by side seems risky. I am therefore forced to work with double-sided sheets. However, that still seems impractical and illogical.
I am simply questioning the difficulty of wanting to insert a background or an image that covers two facing pages (like in the attached example).
Thank you and have a nice day
Well, that is precisely the point of setting up the pages facing each other, because in this case you can have the image placed on the left page and finishing on the right page...
But then in the book's imposition, the left page will not be the continuation of the right page... for example, for an 8-page (4 sheets front/back) layout, the sequence will be:
8 - 1
2 - 7
6 - 3
4 - 5
You can see that the page 2 (even) will be printed with page 7 (odd) to its right. The only pages that will be facing each other will be the center pages (4-5).
With the facing setup, Indesign itself correctly trims the bleed during imposition.
What should not be done: is to set up your pages already imposed facing each other... that is to say, placing page 2 next to page 7 for example.
But then in the book's imposition, the left page will not be the continuation of the right page... for example, for an 8-page (4 sheets front/back) layout, the sequence will be:
8 - 1
2 - 7
6 - 3
4 - 5
You can see that the page 2 (even) will be printed with page 7 (odd) to its right. The only pages that will be facing each other will be the center pages (4-5).
With the facing setup, Indesign itself correctly trims the bleed during imposition.
What should not be done: is to set up your pages already imposed facing each other... that is to say, placing page 2 next to page 7 for example.
Thank you, I'm happy to know that I will be able to work as you say. On paper, it seems logical, but in practice, I still don’t have a clear understanding.
If page 1 is indeed my first page, page 2 will be its verso. (Both remaining blank at the beginning of the book).
However, if I take the Indesign pages as below, my working text will only start on an odd page and will always be on the right, so it will never have its continuation facing it... I’m attaching the illustration with V(ièrge) TexteR(recto) TexteV(erso) to help clarify my point.
Am I wrong?
If page 1 is indeed my first page, page 2 will be its verso. (Both remaining blank at the beginning of the book).
However, if I take the Indesign pages as below, my working text will only start on an odd page and will always be on the right, so it will never have its continuation facing it... I’m attaching the illustration with V(ièrge) TexteR(recto) TexteV(erso) to help clarify my point.
Am I wrong?
If in your book pages 1 and 2 are blank, indeed the first text will be placed on page 3 and so on...
Pages 1 and 2 should not be the cover pages, but blank pages inside the book.
It even happens within a book to leave a blank left page to start a new chapter on a right page (odd page), it's the rule that we always start on the right.
Pages 1 and 2 should not be the cover pages, but blank pages inside the book.
It even happens within a book to leave a blank left page to start a new chapter on a right page (odd page), it's the rule that we always start on the right.
I fully agree with everything you say and thank you for your clarifications, but I believe I am being misunderstood.
If my text starts on the right, on page 3 for example, as you say, its verso will be on page 4.
Therefore, I will not have my pages facing each other, as would be the case in a book on the same sheet (for example 4-5), since page 5 will be a recto located on the right in my InDesign pages.
That is my problem. I hope I am clear enough...
Sorry for all the time you are spending on me.
If my text starts on the right, on page 3 for example, as you say, its verso will be on page 4.
Therefore, I will not have my pages facing each other, as would be the case in a book on the same sheet (for example 4-5), since page 5 will be a recto located on the right in my InDesign pages.
That is my problem. I hope I am clear enough...
Sorry for all the time you are spending on me.