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Hello,
I am currently shopping for a tower, and I have chosen the processor i7-4790k. My motherboard is a Sabertooth Mark 1 Z97. It supports RAM 1600, 1866. I wanted to know if the processor can support 1866 MHz or if I need to go with 1600 MHz.
Thank you for your answers.
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I am currently shopping for a tower, and I have chosen the processor i7-4790k. My motherboard is a Sabertooth Mark 1 Z97. It supports RAM 1600, 1866. I wanted to know if the processor can support 1866 MHz or if I need to go with 1600 MHz.
Thank you for your answers.
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Digging up an old topic, but that's alright.
I read something at the top that seems a bit silly, although it's not entirely wrong.
It's unnecessary to get more than 1600MHz.
Unnecessary because the i7 4790K processor will not utilize 1866MHz but only 1600MHz.
Yes and no...
Yes, if we stick to the usage conditions of the i7 4790K processor.
At 4.0GHz it runs at 1333MHz and at 4.4GHz it runs at 1600MHz.
And the no... why!?
The i7 4790K can be overclocked beyond its 4.4GHz, but for that, you need at least 1866MHz to reach 4.8GHz.
Of course, you will need a very good cooler to keep it cool (at least a Cooler Master 412S and also a case capable of accommodating it).
It's unnecessary to get 2100MHz to reach 5.0GHz without water cooling, because the overheating of the processor is enormous.
But the most complicated part will be reaching those 5.0GHz at 2100MHz.
An unstable system and almost impossible to use.
In short, 1866MHz is the best option for the i7 4790K, especially if one day you decide to aim for 4.8GHz.
What can do more can do less, so there's no hesitation that the settings of the i7 4790K are a bit random depending on the models, and that 1600MHz may prove to be a bit tight at 1600MHz since the processor's frequency slightly exceeds 1600MHz and if the memory doesn't allow for the excess, you end up with an unstable system.
Therefore, for an i7 4790K, the choice of RAM at 1866MHz is the BEST choice!
Otherwise, if you have a bit of a higher budget, you can get 2000MHz Corsair to be comfortable with overclocking at 4.8GHz, RAM that will allow for ease of use because if the processor tends to exceed 1866MHz, with 2000MHz you're in a good place.
You can even push a bit more on the overclocking if you have a HIGH-PERFORMANCE cooling system, because the i7 4790K gets hot at 4.8GHz, so above that it's a furnace.
I read something at the top that seems a bit silly, although it's not entirely wrong.
It's unnecessary to get more than 1600MHz.
Unnecessary because the i7 4790K processor will not utilize 1866MHz but only 1600MHz.
Yes and no...
Yes, if we stick to the usage conditions of the i7 4790K processor.
At 4.0GHz it runs at 1333MHz and at 4.4GHz it runs at 1600MHz.
And the no... why!?
The i7 4790K can be overclocked beyond its 4.4GHz, but for that, you need at least 1866MHz to reach 4.8GHz.
Of course, you will need a very good cooler to keep it cool (at least a Cooler Master 412S and also a case capable of accommodating it).
It's unnecessary to get 2100MHz to reach 5.0GHz without water cooling, because the overheating of the processor is enormous.
But the most complicated part will be reaching those 5.0GHz at 2100MHz.
An unstable system and almost impossible to use.
In short, 1866MHz is the best option for the i7 4790K, especially if one day you decide to aim for 4.8GHz.
What can do more can do less, so there's no hesitation that the settings of the i7 4790K are a bit random depending on the models, and that 1600MHz may prove to be a bit tight at 1600MHz since the processor's frequency slightly exceeds 1600MHz and if the memory doesn't allow for the excess, you end up with an unstable system.
Therefore, for an i7 4790K, the choice of RAM at 1866MHz is the BEST choice!
Otherwise, if you have a bit of a higher budget, you can get 2000MHz Corsair to be comfortable with overclocking at 4.8GHz, RAM that will allow for ease of use because if the processor tends to exceed 1866MHz, with 2000MHz you're in a good place.
You can even push a bit more on the overclocking if you have a HIGH-PERFORMANCE cooling system, because the i7 4790K gets hot at 4.8GHz, so above that it's a furnace.
Hi,
Don't focus on the memory of a graphics card! That's a big mistake! It's better to have a very good GPU with little RAM than the opposite! You should also prioritize the quality of the RAM (DDR5 instead of DDR3) rather than the quantity! And this is true even if you want a durable setup. (It's already too much with an i7-4790k for gaming, especially with the motherboard you picked, which is way too expensive for what it offers... It’s time to choose well-sized components for what you want to do!)
The excuse of durability is a false problem. It's better to buy a well-sized setup today and upgrade it in 3 years than to buy an overkill setup (understand: oversized) now and try to upgrade in 4-5 years when your setup will be outdated (and forget about reselling it, which is useful for your upgrade). A very good current GPU (without being overkill like a GTX 780 Ti or GTX Titan) can easily last for 3 years! ;)
And the same goes for an i5! (for example, an i5-4670k that you can easily overclock IF you ever feel limited, which theoretically shouldn't be the case) So, if you buy a good GPU (or a good processor, while staying within reasonable limits) now, there's no need to change it in the spring! An i7 is only justified in the case of intensive video editing. Is that your case?
After that, this is just my point of view and you can completely ignore it. But, it’s stronger than me, I find your spending superfluous and I can’t just stay quiet without saying anything to you!
My advice:
- i5-4670k
- Asus z97-k
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (if you plan to OC)
- Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Tri-X 3GB GDDR5
- 8GB of DDR3 RAM
If you do intensive video editing:
- i7-4770k (no need to go above that)
- Asus Z97-K
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (if you plan to OC)
- Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Tri-X 3GB GDDR5
- 8GB of DDR3 RAM
That will already save you a lot of money!
Regards.
--
Passionate supporter of OM!
Don't focus on the memory of a graphics card! That's a big mistake! It's better to have a very good GPU with little RAM than the opposite! You should also prioritize the quality of the RAM (DDR5 instead of DDR3) rather than the quantity! And this is true even if you want a durable setup. (It's already too much with an i7-4790k for gaming, especially with the motherboard you picked, which is way too expensive for what it offers... It’s time to choose well-sized components for what you want to do!)
The excuse of durability is a false problem. It's better to buy a well-sized setup today and upgrade it in 3 years than to buy an overkill setup (understand: oversized) now and try to upgrade in 4-5 years when your setup will be outdated (and forget about reselling it, which is useful for your upgrade). A very good current GPU (without being overkill like a GTX 780 Ti or GTX Titan) can easily last for 3 years! ;)
And the same goes for an i5! (for example, an i5-4670k that you can easily overclock IF you ever feel limited, which theoretically shouldn't be the case) So, if you buy a good GPU (or a good processor, while staying within reasonable limits) now, there's no need to change it in the spring! An i7 is only justified in the case of intensive video editing. Is that your case?
After that, this is just my point of view and you can completely ignore it. But, it’s stronger than me, I find your spending superfluous and I can’t just stay quiet without saying anything to you!
My advice:
- i5-4670k
- Asus z97-k
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (if you plan to OC)
- Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Tri-X 3GB GDDR5
- 8GB of DDR3 RAM
If you do intensive video editing:
- i7-4770k (no need to go above that)
- Asus Z97-K
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (if you plan to OC)
- Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Tri-X 3GB GDDR5
- 8GB of DDR3 RAM
That will already save you a lot of money!
Regards.
--
Passionate supporter of OM!
Hi,
There's nothing better than checking Intel's website for that! ;)
Here’s a little link: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/en/us/ark/products/80807/intel-core-i7-4790k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html
In the memory type category, it says: DDR3-1333/1600
So there’s no point in getting RAM with a frequency of 1866MHz because, although it is supported by the motherboard, it is not by the processor (and thus it will downclock it >>>>> unnecessary, you might as well go for the 1600MHz directly)
Not to mention the negligible difference between 1600MHz and 1866MHz RAM. You will notice NO difference between these two frequencies, regardless of usage. (maybe in benchmarks, and even then!)
And by the way, since I don't like unnecessary spending, I hope the choice of these components is justified! Because if it's just for playing Minecraft,...
The value for money of these two components is pretty close to mediocre for me! (why +150 euros for a motherboard? why +300 euros for a processor? The gain compared to the slightly lower model is negligible while the price takes a significant hit! Not to mention that the slightly lower models overclock very easily (Intel, of course) and can easily compensate for that slight performance deficit they have initially!)
There's nothing better than checking Intel's website for that! ;)
Here’s a little link: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/en/us/ark/products/80807/intel-core-i7-4790k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html
In the memory type category, it says: DDR3-1333/1600
So there’s no point in getting RAM with a frequency of 1866MHz because, although it is supported by the motherboard, it is not by the processor (and thus it will downclock it >>>>> unnecessary, you might as well go for the 1600MHz directly)
Not to mention the negligible difference between 1600MHz and 1866MHz RAM. You will notice NO difference between these two frequencies, regardless of usage. (maybe in benchmarks, and even then!)
And by the way, since I don't like unnecessary spending, I hope the choice of these components is justified! Because if it's just for playing Minecraft,...
The value for money of these two components is pretty close to mediocre for me! (why +150 euros for a motherboard? why +300 euros for a processor? The gain compared to the slightly lower model is negligible while the price takes a significant hit! Not to mention that the slightly lower models overclock very easily (Intel, of course) and can easily compensate for that slight performance deficit they have initially!)
Ok, thanks for the advice. I ended up buying the 1866 MHz because it was cheaper. 175 for the 1866 vs 190 for the 1600 MHz. For your information, the choice is justified. It's not just to play Minecraft. I intend to be able to use this computer for a long time and upgrade it to meet the needs of the latest games.
Hi,
Good choice since it was indeed better to go for the cheaper RAM. Even though, in this case, the 1866MHz RAM you picked will be downclocked by the processor, which means it will perform exactly the same as the 1600MHz! By the way, I hope you’re not only going to play Minecraft with this setup! (even though I don’t know which GPU you chose!) That would be such a waste! ;)
Anyway,
Enjoy it,
See you!
--
A passionate supporter of OM!
Good choice since it was indeed better to go for the cheaper RAM. Even though, in this case, the 1866MHz RAM you picked will be downclocked by the processor, which means it will perform exactly the same as the 1600MHz! By the way, I hope you’re not only going to play Minecraft with this setup! (even though I don’t know which GPU you chose!) That would be such a waste! ;)
Anyway,
Enjoy it,
See you!
--
A passionate supporter of OM!
Pesao, I was thinking of getting a 3 GB GPU and waiting until spring for a 6 GB one. I want to be able to play 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, with graphics set to maximum, and I want the processor to last me at least 3 years.
Thank you for the advice, but when I ordered, the i7-4770k was more expensive for me, so why not pay $20 more for better.
However, as I mentioned, I already have almost all the parts, the only thing missing is the GPU. And honestly, I prefer Nvidia over ATI. I don't know if you have any advice to give me?
As for the motherboard, it's one of my friends who recommended it to me. It gives me everything I need. Because you see, my biggest concern is frying my components due to overheating. I've had I don't know how many computers break because of that.
That's why, after having had nothing but junk computers, I've decided to splurge on this one. With very recent parts. But it's true that I may have slightly exaggerated on the configuration.
Do you recommend getting an SSD?
Best regards
P.S.: I have a Thermaltake Frio Extreme for my processor and a Thermaltake MK-I chassis, an 850-watt power supply, and my RAM is Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x 8 GB.
However, as I mentioned, I already have almost all the parts, the only thing missing is the GPU. And honestly, I prefer Nvidia over ATI. I don't know if you have any advice to give me?
As for the motherboard, it's one of my friends who recommended it to me. It gives me everything I need. Because you see, my biggest concern is frying my components due to overheating. I've had I don't know how many computers break because of that.
That's why, after having had nothing but junk computers, I've decided to splurge on this one. With very recent parts. But it's true that I may have slightly exaggerated on the configuration.
Do you recommend getting an SSD?
Best regards
P.S.: I have a Thermaltake Frio Extreme for my processor and a Thermaltake MK-I chassis, an 850-watt power supply, and my RAM is Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x 8 GB.
Hello,
Indeed, your setup is overkill and you're choosing unnecessarily expensive components. For example, the motherboard and the processor. (you can find equally good ones for less) The same goes for the power supply, where it's best to get as close to its 80% efficiency as possible. With your 850W power supply, you're far from that, since your setup doesn't consume that much. A 650W would have been perfect. (and you would have saved some money) Lastly, the same goes for RAM; 16GB is unnecessary except in (very very) rare cases.
I understand you, though; when you want something to last, you tend to spend more, and sometimes a bit too much. (even if it comes from good intentions) But sometimes a more expensive component doesn't necessarily mean it will last longer.
But as they say, what's done is done. You can't go back now. When it comes to GPUs, it's essential to get rid of preconceived notions about ATI/AMD. They make very good products these days (often excellent value for money) and the drivers are keeping up. If you're set on Nvidia, then the equivalent of the R9 280X (actually, even a bit more powerful) is the GTX 770. It is also more expensive (about +50 euros). I recommend the Windforce model from Gigabyte, which has the best thermal dissipation.
https://www.materiel.net/produit/201311130208.html
With that, you'll be set for a long time.
As for the SSD, we can indeed do without it. But in my opinion, that would be a big mistake, as it's one of the biggest recent advancements in the computing world. It's essential to realize that currently, what limits us the most in our PCs, causing occasional latency, is the hard drive. The SSD provides a comfort of instant boot-up for Windows and software, and once you try one, you'll never want to do without it again. But you also need to think about your budget; an SSD has a much higher price per GB compared to a hard drive! But given the components you've chosen, an SSD shouldn't pose too many problems for you! ;)
Best regards.
--
A fervent supporter of OM!
Indeed, your setup is overkill and you're choosing unnecessarily expensive components. For example, the motherboard and the processor. (you can find equally good ones for less) The same goes for the power supply, where it's best to get as close to its 80% efficiency as possible. With your 850W power supply, you're far from that, since your setup doesn't consume that much. A 650W would have been perfect. (and you would have saved some money) Lastly, the same goes for RAM; 16GB is unnecessary except in (very very) rare cases.
I understand you, though; when you want something to last, you tend to spend more, and sometimes a bit too much. (even if it comes from good intentions) But sometimes a more expensive component doesn't necessarily mean it will last longer.
But as they say, what's done is done. You can't go back now. When it comes to GPUs, it's essential to get rid of preconceived notions about ATI/AMD. They make very good products these days (often excellent value for money) and the drivers are keeping up. If you're set on Nvidia, then the equivalent of the R9 280X (actually, even a bit more powerful) is the GTX 770. It is also more expensive (about +50 euros). I recommend the Windforce model from Gigabyte, which has the best thermal dissipation.
https://www.materiel.net/produit/201311130208.html
With that, you'll be set for a long time.
As for the SSD, we can indeed do without it. But in my opinion, that would be a big mistake, as it's one of the biggest recent advancements in the computing world. It's essential to realize that currently, what limits us the most in our PCs, causing occasional latency, is the hard drive. The SSD provides a comfort of instant boot-up for Windows and software, and once you try one, you'll never want to do without it again. But you also need to think about your budget; an SSD has a much higher price per GB compared to a hard drive! But given the components you've chosen, an SSD shouldn't pose too many problems for you! ;)
Best regards.
--
A fervent supporter of OM!
Hello,
Well, I've given it a lot of thought and I think I'm going to get a GTX 670 2GB. Since I won’t be paying too much for it and I’ll wait until spring to change it. I’ll be able to do a minimum of things with it like playing World of Warcraft on ultra and playing Minecraft with more than decent graphics.
By the way, I'm going to get an SSD, you convinced me.
A big detail I forgot to mention, I’m Québécois, I operate in Canadian dollars, so if I convert to euros, it gives me this:
i7-4790K 246.27 euros (359.99 Canadian)
Corsair 850 watt 116.29 euros (169.99 Canadian)
Asus Sabertooth Mark-1 177.86 euros (259.99 Canadian)
Thermaltake MK-I 106.03 euros (154.99 Canadian)
Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 2x 8GB 122.45 euros (178.99 Canadian)
GTX 670 Zotac 273.64 euros (469.99 Canadian)
For a total of 1042.54 euros, so I think it's cheaper than you might have thought.
Best regards.
Well, I've given it a lot of thought and I think I'm going to get a GTX 670 2GB. Since I won’t be paying too much for it and I’ll wait until spring to change it. I’ll be able to do a minimum of things with it like playing World of Warcraft on ultra and playing Minecraft with more than decent graphics.
By the way, I'm going to get an SSD, you convinced me.
A big detail I forgot to mention, I’m Québécois, I operate in Canadian dollars, so if I convert to euros, it gives me this:
i7-4790K 246.27 euros (359.99 Canadian)
Corsair 850 watt 116.29 euros (169.99 Canadian)
Asus Sabertooth Mark-1 177.86 euros (259.99 Canadian)
Thermaltake MK-I 106.03 euros (154.99 Canadian)
Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 2x 8GB 122.45 euros (178.99 Canadian)
GTX 670 Zotac 273.64 euros (469.99 Canadian)
For a total of 1042.54 euros, so I think it's cheaper than you might have thought.
Best regards.