Faulty panel on Philips PFL8404 LCD TV
Hello,
I purchased a Philips PFL8404 H LCD TV two months ago. Suddenly, between 10 AM when it was functioning perfectly and when I turned it back on at 3 PM, enormous vertical stains and vertical and horizontal stripes covered the screen, even though it hadn’t been shaken or moved between 10 AM and 3 PM. The retailer has taken the device to the service center and is already talking about a broken panel before any examination!!!
What does this mean? Is this defect on this type of device that costs 1200 € known? What should I do?
Thank you in advance for your information
I purchased a Philips PFL8404 H LCD TV two months ago. Suddenly, between 10 AM when it was functioning perfectly and when I turned it back on at 3 PM, enormous vertical stains and vertical and horizontal stripes covered the screen, even though it hadn’t been shaken or moved between 10 AM and 3 PM. The retailer has taken the device to the service center and is already talking about a broken panel before any examination!!!
What does this mean? Is this defect on this type of device that costs 1200 € known? What should I do?
Thank you in advance for your information
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Hello, I bought a 42-inch Philips screen and after 18 months, it started to malfunction.
1st failure: black screen with sound, a burned electronic board, 6 weeks in repair.
2nd failure: 2 weeks after recovery, black screen with a burnt smell, panel dead, 4 weeks in repair.
3rd failure: after 3 weeks of operation, black screen, again!!! 2 weeks in repair.
4th failure: after a month of operation, a buzzing in the TV, 2 days later, black screen
sent for repair, after 10 weeks of phone harassment, response: television irreparable.
a TV for €1200 dead after a year and a half! Well done Philips, plus they tell me they will see for a commercial gesture, it's no longer under warranty, so they won't repair it anymore, so I'm waiting to see what they will propose, but Philips is crap!!!-
Same with a Philips screen of 119 centimeters purchased in mid-2008...dead in December 2012. It started by occasionally losing the image...then buzzing noises appeared 7 times upon startup. This lasted for 3 months. And finally, during a new startup, loss of image, loud buzzing, smell of burning, and smoke...there you go...a device that cost around 2300 euros at the time. That's a steep price to pay. This will be my last television from the Philips brand.
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Hello, I agree with Bernorenard, you really have no luck!
I know that when I have a client with an issue with a Philips TV, repairs are done within 2 to a maximum of 3 weeks if the TV is sent to their workshop and 4 to 5 days if the repair is at the client's home.
If the TV breaks down 3 times within the two-year warranty, Philips replaces the TV. This happened to me for two clients. So I don't understand why this hasn't been done.
As for the long duration of the repairs, in my opinion, it comes from your seller who did not do what was necessary on "D-Day" to trigger the repair because very often it takes 4 to 5 days.
See you!-
Given the posts left on the site, we must be dreaming!
Have PHILIPS resellers or repairers ever opened a last-generation LCD from '2009 & 2010'?
YES OR NO?
So instead of saying nonsensical things to clutter and obscure the realities, we need to take a step back...
After opening the latest PHILIPS models, the internal boards are LG, yes, LG!
In some series upon delivery, since these boards are of VERY LOW COST, they do not hold up and crack. The result is complete pallets of screens sent for recycling due to the cracked video board. The panels are intact, but there is no economic or ecological desire to repair! We will pay dearly for this in the future.
I visit a recycling unit that dismantles about 3 semi-trailers of LCD TVs per quarter
from all brands, which means 500 screens, the majority still in their delivery boxes.
For Philips, I'm talking about what I know: with 3 wired shunts on cut circuits, I have in front of me
a full HD Philips from January 2010 "thrown in the trash" that works wonderfully in terms of image.
What Philips is capable of doing: take its consumers casually
but the opening of its products, aside from the boards, is perfectly arranged and qualitatively superior to LG.
The latter should be avoided for plasma. (Given the feedback)
Toshiba... it's SAMSUNG LCD panels 32 and 40 to date... or better MIRAI!
Is that clearer for everyone? All the better; by the way, SONY does not manufacture panels.
In a short time: LG and SAMSUNG: 1 billion panels, yes 1..............
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Yes, in an LCD there isn’t much, a power supply, a SSB, that’s all, and the panel, a back cover and a casing, that’s it. To fix an LCD that's less than two years old, well, it might still be okay, but beyond that it’s practically difficult; there is so much software. The SSB, known as the small board, is made in Poland or nearby, but it doesn’t fail that often. Is it worth spending the money for those who don’t have too much means?
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In LCD, Sony or Sharp and LG have made great progress, and the customer service of these brands responds easily.
Your Philips, what size was it, 40", 42"...?
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Hello, I'm sorry but I disagree with what Stewartia says.
I have been a Philips reseller for 30 years and have had very few issues with this brand.
Compared to SAMSUNG and LG, where there are many problems!
I won't even mention Sharp; it's disposable.
I'm not here to say that the best brand is Philips, but that's where I encounter the least problems in terms of breakdowns and parts delivery, and even regarding prices.
One thing to consider is that Panasonic indeed produces very good TVs, but sorry, not in plasma (for example, with screen issues after 2 years....) and now everyone knows that plasma is over. Philips and Sony stopped producing plasma 2 years ago for a reason.
After Samsung will also stop plasma, Pioneer went under because of plasma. In short, let people buy plasma, as we say among repairers, plasma keeps us busy.
If I had to advise, I would say stick with Philips because it's very good equipment and the products are very reliable, or go for Sony.
But as a professional, I know something about this; after all, this remains my opinion and my advice.-
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Well, I bought a 9704 that I exchanged 5 times in a month and a half and they weren't from the same series due to a lot of defective pixels, and one that didn't even turn on upon delivery, not to mention the panels that Sharp passes off as defective. I think Philips is not going to check its screens at the end of the line that are manufactured in Eastern countries.
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Hello (Disagreement and here's why)
Dear Stewartia, a manufacturer X, Y or Z does not deliberately make junk, except for a certain Korean who buys his components at a bargain from the Chinese (capacitors). Plasma panels are not mass-produced and are carefully inspected.
To say that PANA breaks down after two years (BIDUL) is to be mistaken about the "country"; I have a Viera that is five years old and is still in great shape, just as it was on the first day (there are five of different ages around me). A plasma panel can have a defect; Philips has never denied its warranty—remember, Mr. Retailer of the 28PX6322 and the "bad series of cathode ray tubes" that didn't have a long life.
If Philips' expertise (not the retailer's) grants its warranty, the panel will be replaced without problems; a micro-crack may reveal itself over time with the temperature variations of the panel during operation. Finally, if Philips abandons plasma, it's their right; not manufacturing their panels, they prefer to make money by promoting LCD, which is much cheaper to produce and offers a higher profit margin, and in the face of Korean competition, the stakes are high. Plasma has an uncertain future because it is too costly to manufacture. The progress of LCD and then LED seriously cuts into the market. In the next decade, there will be other technologies; they are already in the research and development departments. The whole thing in our market economy is to "manufacture" at very low costs without bothering about the rest. Too bad for quality.
I respect "bidul's" opinion regarding his favorite brand; I just point out his information about the faulty panel on Panasonic, which is the exception that confirms the rule. I confirm the poor durability of Samsung and the shameful components for the class of products sold. I only regret that the entry-level plasma Philips when prices started to drop a bit were equipped with horrible sound, but that had already happened with the cathode ray tubes of the 28PX series, so bad luck for the buyers of that series! Shall we say that history is an eternal recurrence?
I send my best wishes to everyone and, very fraternally, to our D.O Philips
(from 1967 to 1980 in Philips-Radiola-Schneider service) it's a long way back, but I have kept good memories; it was a good school!
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I was nevertheless advised to choose this brand for its quality, so perhaps opinions differ based on personal experience?
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I'm not talking about Panasonic, I'm talking about Philips' relocation, equipment designed in India and manufactured at low cost in China.
Just look at the "surge" in Blu-Ray players, the series 5 LCDs, and the Dual-S and Cube decoders, and outside of TVs, the 25% return rate for Sagem and the real junk: Strong. -
Hello dear friends (Following post 7 after reflection)
Stewartia, when you say that Philips makes junk, I reacted a bit (post 6 from 27/01). I worked for the Philips Radiola Schneider group, was trained by them from 1967 to 1980, and it was serious business. Customer satisfaction was a priority, along with understanding the "design flaws" and manufacturing chains through effective warranty application. A recent example is the 16/9 cathode ray tubes from the 28Pw series, which failed in large numbers after two years. Once the warranty had expired, Philips acknowledged this weakness and contributed to the costs. Here, for our friend Cgermain, the case seems obvious where the panel took a "hit" somewhere, and after two months, the retailer can and should make a commercial gesture with, of course, Philips' support. This television should be assessed by Philips because if it is a defect, it will certainly reoccur in numbers and elsewhere. Philips has always taken its responsibilities; I can vouch for that.
Our friend and former colleague Bidul also points out a few mistakes in my opinion: Philips and others are abandoning plasma, so be it; that’s their choice. Plasma is expensive to manufacture and Philips does not produce panels, which significantly increases production costs. Since LCD technology has made a lot of progress and production costs have seriously decreased, why not make even more money? The image quality may not be there, but for gaming and watching TV, which stutters everywhere, that’s not a problem, it works too!
Finally, please do not attack Panasonic, thank you! I have five of different ages around me (between 6 months and five years old), none have had any failures, and there’s no epidemic of faulty panels like there is with the Koreans.
Alright, I’ll stop my rant, goodbye and have a nice day.-
Hello,
Thank you for your comments, but the problem is that this slab has never been subjected to any shocks on our end. Where could this issue of the broken slab have come from? Do these micro-cracking issues occur regularly, and what are their causes?
Thank you for your clarifications.- Cgerman hello
It's a fact, your panel seems broken. I didn't say you broke it; I think it's more likely a crack from transport that revealed itself at your place. Have PHILIPS acknowledge this fact; it's independent of your will and they must ensure compliance with the warranty contract without blaming you for a breakage that you had no control over. Play the good faith card and get this defective item replaced. In any case, there has never been an epidemic of broken panels; it's an accident for which you are not responsible. You're the customer; you have every right, don't let them say just anything, and if necessary, involve a consumer protection organization. Is that clear?
Cheers and stay strong, it's not an easy battle.
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I have never talked about Panasonic, which for me remains the best in Plasma. As a secondary option, I took an LCD from this brand: https://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-PANTXL32U10E-PANASONIC-TX-L32U10.htm#avis-PANTXL32U10E for 425 euros delivered by boulanger.fr (too bad they don’t sell it anymore). Once the image (set to "warm" first) and the sound were adjusted and all the so-called image correction features were turned off, it is excellent.
Inexpensive, easy to adjust, low power consumption. And with a power button, the "Luxury". -
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I am glad to know that you are satisfied with your equipment, it really makes me happy and it is an example for everyone.
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Hello, I'm looking for a broken 37pfl9604 to buy with its screen in good condition. If you have one, I'm interested.
thommasbordeaux, these are LCDs from the 2009 range, the 8404h was manufactured in Dreux until its closure in April 2010. There is no longer any manufacturing center in France; all LCDs are made in Turkey, Belarus, Poland maybe. It's true that inside there are only three main parts: SSB, power supply, and panel.
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The warranty is two years, plus beyond a week it is extended by the duration of immobilization; finally, they can apply a discount on the original price, the wear and tear rate, and issue you a credit note or exchange it for an equivalent or superior model. If necessary, contact the DGCCRF in your region; you can send your letters along with the repair receipts as attachments, as well as emails, very effective.
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Having worked there (customer service), I know that Philips can have what is called a "commercial gesture," which is not the case with some Koreans. So get your pens ready and write a nice letter with supporting documents to Philips consumer service. Good luck; perseverance always pays off, and you really were unfortunate because your case is rare!
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I completely agree with Stewartia Pana, there’s nothing better; my Viera 107 is five years old and hasn’t faded one bit. Long may it last!
Our friend from Bordeaux was taken aback when he opened a Philips flat screen. It’s not just Philips that outsources while putting its name on products made in the Far East.
Thomson, in its time (mine, in after-sales), used to import complete TVs for which there were already no spare parts, and let me tell you about the classic failure of those chassis: the tuner would be so noisy that the TV had to work with an amplifier; it’s ridiculous, but the pill was swallowed. Elsewhere, some car brands don’t they sell first models that are Asian cars that are in every way similar to the "French" models, isn’t that right, Peugeot and Citroën?
I return to my flat screen TV and sadly note that the retail price of most flat screens remains way too high, especially for "throwaway" ones, as my colleague Bidul would say on this same forum. Finally, I repeat that whatever happens, Philips’ customer service (emphasizing this point) must provide "satisfaction" to its customers; it’s a duty that Philips has always respected until now, and I am a witness to that. Cheers to all!-
Regarding the LCD PFL8404H/12, I think it must be a 37-inch. Are you sure that the screen has vertical lines? It could be the LVDS cable; this happens sometimes. A photo on the forum would have been nice. It's an AUO panel coming from China, and it's true that these are low-end panels, at the end of their life. Almost all 37-inch Philips models have AUO panels. The 37PFL9604H/12 is an AUO, and it's a good LCD developed by Bruges. The 37 and 32 PFL8404H are developed by China; it's a crappy LCD. But the client doesn't know that, and it's manufactured in Dreux, a factory that is going to close. It's an LCD that is still being produced in Dreux.
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I speak about the past; it’s not the first time Philips has dealt with Asian garbage. Hitachi also entered Phillips televisions. Dreux was long threatened and only survived due to the maintenance of the SECAM system, which somewhat protected France. I knew Bruges in Belgium with the MBLE subsidiary that flooded supermarkets with the KM2 (multi-standard PAL/SECAM used in border areas). By doing this, they doubled Philips France, which saw one after another its official distributors close up shop or join purchasing groups (like Gitem, for example) to survive. But that's in the past. Today, globalization, and especially a common television standard (DTT), is changing and intensifying competition in Europe. The big brands will all disappear; in the meantime, they survive by signing a subcontract with a Chinese offshoot. Philips was used to acknowledging its technical errors and took pride in satisfying customers. Soon, this politeness policy will no longer be applicable due to the sheer waste. Look at Samsung with their failure rates (it’s a real disaster) and they keep pretending nothing is wrong, leaving customers who trusted them to fend for themselves in front of disappointed and overwhelmed customer service.
Long live globalization!
Have a nice day anyway.-
Yes, you're right, the customer service is overwhelmed, but I don't think Philips has the worst customer service. It's a good brand and produces quality products. I'm sorry for our friend with his PFL8404H, but I can tell you that Philips makes quality. Anyway, an LCD is usually outdated after a year, and I'm being generous, and after two years if it breaks down, the customer service doesn't have all the parts, and they make do as best they can with power supplies. No problem, but in SSB or SMOLE, motherboard as some call it, it's impossible to fix. With manufacturers, every year there is a new range; at Philips, they call it 2K7, 2K8, 2K9, and tomorrow 2K10. So the 8404PFL is old, it's an end-of-life model, now we have LEDs, and tomorrow 3D, and the day after your LCD will be as thin as a sheet. Just kidding, but...
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Regarding recycling in France 2009/2010
LCD AND PLASMA
only about 1% of returns yes 1% barely because only new products are returned during the initial equipment phase, obsolete or non-HD products will follow.....
TUBE TVs
TVs and tube screens mean 3 million tubes to be re-mantled to extract rare earths and separate the glass
silica for manufacturing beer cans or low quality industrial glass
a big market for France for the tubes: the trash can Africa ..........! shocked?
Good, the reality is worse than that. By shipping containers for education ... oh yes, 386 PCs with monochrome screens
to surf the net: long live Windows 95 and thank goodness we escaped Windows 3.10 in any case it’s evacuated!
LCD
Destruction market value estimated at about 325,000 euros of LCD per quarter or 1,300,000 euros annually
over 3 years with the option to increase recycling capacity by 50% for French distributors.
The DRIRE has passed through and the eco-tax is raging ..... to bury PVC casings of which in France no one can
separate the types of PVC or nylon that are not miscible with each other for industry and rejected for food like mineral water bottles.
Pay the eco-tax: France is burying toxic, non-degradable products left and right.
Last thoughts to the French after-sales service: at LG for the whole of France: 30 panels in stock of 32 !!!! well yes
sir, this can’t be replaced, it must be thrown away. No point in having stock (source November 21, 2009 LG France)
The after-sales service now only replaces cards: it’s better, no more technicians to pay or train.......
Anyway, customers are no longer loyal to a brand and in case of problems: thing manufactured for stuff
machine designed for so-and-so and that's how by trying to boycott a brand you buy its OEM products.
I promise I will inform you soon about computing. It’s even more amazing to change according to the law of Moore and kill an industry.
best regards
( Bordeaux: just a small recycling station flooded with products that no one wants anymore and must be evacuated as soon as possible )
type into your search engine: LCD TV recycling
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For a few years now, Philips has been making "crap" and continues to "ride" on its former good reputation, whether it's in satellite, Blu-Ray players, TVs, or other DVB-T receivers, it's expensive, and it's worthless. For the price, it's better to get a Panasonic Plasma or a Sony LCD.
When you see a Philips 32" series 5 in HDTV1080p consuming 160 watts, you dream! If you also have "Canal" equipment (still Philips), then there's no need to heat the room.
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Yes, you're right, nothing beats an LED light with lower consumption, more expensive, everything has a cost, and of better quality.
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ANOTHER FALSE IDEA: LED CONSUMES LESS: BUT WHERE DID THEY FIND THAT?
No, unfortunately for you, "LEDs" - Electroluminescent Displays (ELDs) are not more economical in overall consumption in the backlighting of LCD panels........yes, we do have a shorter reaction time!
Next topic: 100 or 200 or 400 and now 600 in "retinal memory" scanning when you hold us
what's important is to believe in it...lol!
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Exactly, if we take a 32" LG LED, the consumption is 130 watts, compared to a Toshiba LCD, which uses 93 watts, and the same for a 40" Sony compared to a Samsung LED. It's the design of the device that makes the difference; if it has a good image processing system, it will require fewer "corrections."
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LOW CONSUMPTION LEDS = CUSTOMERS TO BE LURED
The public's ignorance and appropriation of technological subjects is often unbelievable.
Today, in the mind of the general public, LEDs are considered an ecological "BIO" product.
Manufacturers, searching for margins - collapsed by plasma (goodbye PIONEER) - are desperately trying to regain control of investment masses:
- THE LED .... very good in terms of reaction: 4 to 5 ms (5 years ago in TFT: 27 ms, what a path
has been traveled) for the rest, it's just good marketing.
No, it's not a bio product.
Yes, LEDs have a lifespan.
No, it's not economical.
No, it's not a low-consumption product.
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but oh well, here are the pigeons: hey dude, if you buy this television, I'll plant a tree for you
and anyway, you don't know where I plant it and we don't care about the tree
it's good, you have an ecological approach, you pay the recycling tax:
but by the way, who produced this waste? you, the consumer, or the manufacturer
who turns a deaf ear to recover his "junk," as mentioned a
little earlier!
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Hello,
I want to inform you that following my broken screen issues after 2 months of use, Philips customer service finally sent me a new TV screen as a replacement for the defective one. I say well done and thank you to Philips, who lived up to its reputation. -
Thank you all for your comments and your help. In the end, Philips' customer service agreed to replace my defective model.
Thank you to all of you and a big thank you to Philips, which is a brand you can rely on. -
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former Philips employee, I am happy for you about this initiative which has always been one of great respect for its customers, although the panels are often imported and the televisions are subcontracted in Asia, Philips has honored its "satisfaction guarantee" contract
cheers
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