Set up a second TV in my room without a second decoder
jeannets Posted messages 28404 Registration date Status Contributor Last intervention -
Hello, I have a TV connected to the fiber box + decoder in my living room, all via wifi.
I would like to set up a second TV in my bedroom, so I can watch TV channels or replays in the evening while in bed.
The sellers tell me that with a smart TV, I just need to have it detected by the box, and I will have access to these programs without any problem in my bedroom (I also have a repeater)...
At no point do they tell me that I need a second decoder, or a "Chromecast"??? I don't even know what that is...
And if I remember correctly, I used to have an old television in my bedroom (which I gave away a few months ago unfortunately) and on which I indeed had all the TV channels (as for the replays, I don't know, I had never tried them). This small television was only plugged into the electricity and worked via wifi without any problem.
Before buying a small smart TV, not even expensive (110 euros maximum) through Amazon, I don't want to make a mistake. I am 75 years old, alone, and have no one around to help me. I have very limited means....
I would like to know if I absolutely need to add a decoder to this screen in my bedroom? I really don't understand why my old TV worked without a decoder, just through wifi....
I am infinitely grateful to the members who can enlighten me on this subject, before I make a mistake. Thank you!
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jeannets Posted messages 28404 Registration date Status Contributor Last intervention Ambassadeur 6 603
OK, try to turn on this TV and get the reception working with the antenna cable (DTT).
-- And afterwards, to activate the Wifi...
There should be minimal help with the manual included in the box (user guide).
That's all that can be done for now.
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jeannets Posted messages 28404 Registration date Status Contributor Last intervention Ambassadeur 6 603
Hello,
According to the TV..?? what worked a year ago doesn't necessarily work today... precise data is needed to rule on this..
That said, a wired connection always yields better results than standard Wifi.. especially for TV.
It’s important to distinguish between public TV programs, like TNT, and encrypted broadcasts like CanalSat, Canal+, and Fransat.
Even Smart TVs cannot receive encrypted programs without a decoder... However, it is possible with TNT programs by installing the application on the TV, such as MyTF1+ or Molotov.
https://www.molotov.tv/regarder-tv-direct
Only an internet connection is required.
Warning: the SMART part of the TV must be running Android or a verified compatible OS... really check for compatibility... there are imitations.
Here is a little guide on the subject.
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Thank you, Jeannets, for this response. Yes, indeed, I feel like everything is more complicated than before. The television in our bedroom (an old model) was only plugged in electrically, and we had all the channels without any questions... too bad, I "gave away" that TV even though it was still working perfectly, anyway.
Today, I don't ask for much: just to have access to regular channels (TF1, A2, etc....). I couldn't care less about Netflix, YouTube, or others, which I never watch and have never subscribed to. Oh yes! I only have Prime because I'm subscribed for my purchases on Amazon. After that, it would be nice if I could access replay, but I don't know if it's available in my bedroom (I've never tried).
An example of a TV that would suit me to be more precise: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0CXF6ZYRM?smid=A196K75Y5NSFNN&psc=1
I saw that there are "strong" devices, elecmoga sticks, Chromecast, CPL adapter boxes... do I really need all this extra equipment? It's really Chinese to me; I don't understand anything.
I'm really hesitant to buy a TV that I won't know how to connect properly... and really no one around me to help, I am isolated, at 75, having to cope with the few neurons I have left; it's not easy! Again, a thousand thanks, Jeannets, already for these clarifications; I will try to understand. Best regards,
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jeannets Posted messages 28404 Registration date Status Contributor Last intervention Ambassadeur 6 603
In my opinion, this TV fulfills the required function... It should also work with the cable from a rooftop antenna, if one exists nearby...
-- You just need to configure it to connect to the internet... and then it will be able to receive content via the "Smart" apps... including some Replay... provided you install the right app... You need to have a Google account.
-- Personally, I advise you to seek the assistance of a son or grandson or another helpful soul to load and install the necessary apps; they were born at the same time... if it’s not already installed in the TV...?
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Unfortunately not, Jeannets, as I mentioned in my first message, I have absolutely nobody around me to help. No children, no grandchildren, no family at all. No friends, no acquaintances; in my street, there are only very elderly people, and in any case, nobody speaks to each other, except for hello and goodbye. They don't seem to have many visitors either.....
That's why I have to manage on my own, and I am vainly trying to reach out to your forums. And yes, it is really very complicated for me to understand all the terms.
Now, the internet setup, I think it should do it more or less by itself (the comments say it's very easy....). And yes, I do have a socket with a coaxial cable. (I can already get TNT, which isn't too bad, but I doubt I can access replays this way).
In any case, thank you very much once again for your attention.
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Hello, I'm being told "duplicate" to go back to the previous thread, but I can't find the one from before. I also find it strange not to have received any replies, which is why I'm posting today. I had checked the box to receive responses by email, and I was in contact with Jeannets, I believe, then nothing. I must have done something wrong, thank you for getting me back on track, and so my problem is still the same (see above if possible), thank you very much. I still haven't bought this TV, I have too many questions, and still no help around me. Thank you.
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Hello,
Let's summarize.
You used to have a TV in your room simply connected to the antenna.
The same result for any new content, only for DTT and without Replays.
If it's an Android Smart TV connected to Wi-Fi, it allows you to watch some content with a dedicated app like Molotov (which, I believe, the free version does not allow channels from the TF1-M6 group), I don't know if it manages Replay.
Apart from pure Wi-Fi, a wired Ethernet connection and powerful PLC adapters (one near the Box, the other in the room) will often be better than Wi-Fi and sufficient.
It also seems that some operators like Free allow you to watch TV via the Internet on a dedicated website.
Otherwise, you'll need a second decoder and the accompanying subscription.
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Good evening,
The TV you referenced in message <2> should perfectly suit your needs. It's a Google TV, so you should have access to everything you're interested in and even more.
It will need to be connected to the box via wifi. So just a power outlet is required, and there's no need for a rooftop antenna.
Your first "task" will be to connect it to the wifi network. The TV will identify the network, and you just have to enter the password. If you have a 5 GHz network, that’s the one you should prioritize.
The TV will need to use an application for you to access the TV channels. In your case, it will be Orange TV (which you mentioned in the deleted message).
Either the app is already installed, or you'll have to find it in the Google Play Store, just like you would on a computer.
But you can also use Free TV or Molotov.The same goes for Prime: either it’s installed (which is likely based on the Amazon image), or you’ll go find it in the Play Store.
It's a shame that no one can help you. Because all of this isn't really complicated, but you might need to look around a bit.
Good luck!
What is well conceived is clearly stated,
And the words to say it come easily.
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Thanks Pierr10 and Brucine, it's finally clearer for me. I was able to get more interesting information from "rufus" on Amazon: this TV indeed runs on Android 8 Go (Google TV system 2 to 3 Go, Orange TV 150 Mo, Molotov 200 Mo, France TV 80 Mo). It has built-in Chromecast.
I'm downloading Orange TV via the Google Play Store (I have a Google account), and I have all the channels + the replays. In this case, I don't need Molotov or France TV....
I think I'm going to manage, thanks to you. A thousand thanks and have a great weekend!
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Hello Pierr10, I have another question:
Last night, I watched a live show (Don’t Forget the Lyrics) on my tablet in bed, and I was able to watch the entire show without any bugs or pixelation (so I think the TV will work too) WHILE !!!!: on the living room TV.... I had contacted the technical service dedicated to people with disabilities (like me): they sent me another “next generation” decoder to replace the one I had (UHT or UHF, I can't remember). I received it yesterday, properly reinstalled and reset it, using Wi-Fi like before. Everything was good.
I turned on my living room TV: even worse! a thousand times worse!!! This time the image pixelates non-stop and even freezes at all times. I rechecked my connections, they're perfect (by the way, if that hadn’t been the case, the reset wouldn't have worked). It's a real disaster. I don’t understand, since upstairs on my tablet there’s not the slightest pixelation.
And finally: if I connect the decoder downstairs to the box via Ethernet (which I haven’t dared to do as long as I use Wi-Fi everywhere), will my TV upstairs still connect via Wi-Fi? The box will be confused.... either it uses Ethernet or it uses Wi-Fi, not both, right?
If I connect the decoder downstairs via Ethernet, will I still be able to connect my upstairs TV to the same box via Wi-Fi?
I’m asking a lot of questions! but I promise, after this I’ll leave you alone, I will have gone through all my concerns. And I’m really learning a lot from all of you!!! CCM is truly a fantastic site, with amazing moderators. A thousand thanks, I look forward to your reply, it will be the starting point for ordering my TV!
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Hello,
You can easily mix wired Ethernet connections and Wi-Fi.
You can use the Ethernet cable for the decoder (device dedicated to TV?) and connect all your other devices via Wi-Fi.
For this pixelation issue, I don't have much of an explanation. It's possible that the 2.4 GHz network was used instead of the 5 GHz network, which would result in insufficient bandwidth.
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Hello,
Personally, I use a Chromecast on a standard TV, and I control it with my smartphone using my ISP's TV app (Orange for me).
The Chromecast looks like a large USB stick, which plugs into the HDMI port of the TV and is powered either by a small adapter or by a USB port on the TV.
The Chromecast must be on the same WIFI network as the phone.
I've been doing it this way since 2023, after the disappearance of the Orange TV key.
Have a nice day.
Goldwing52
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Thank you Goldwing52, the TV I would like to buy has a built-in Chromecast
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0CXF6ZYRM?smid=A196K75Y5NSFNN&psc=1
It's just to have the possibility to watch a show, possibly a movie from my bed, as I am often stuck due to my disability. I think I can connect this second TV via Wi-Fi to my decoder downstairs.... and since it's a smart TV, I might be able to download the Orange TV app on it. Do you think this will be possible even with this cheap model, but the max of my budget!!!! Thanks in advance!
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I operate with old TVs (over 10 years old), without access to Wi-Fi, that's why I use Chromecasts, controlled by my phone.
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jeannets Posted messages 28404 Registration date Status Contributor Last intervention Ambassadeur 6 603
YES, of course, you can always go to church in a traction... and it works too... in my opinion, a TV that is 10 years old is not recent but saying it is old seems a bit exaggerated...
Anyway, if it doesn't work, it's not necessarily because it's broken..? Nor that it's poorly configured or that there's no internet.
What prevents it from functioning (like in its origin) comes from new rules from beyond. Dynamic frameworks have decreed new video encoding standards, algorithms for protection, changing frequencies to sell them to someone else... etc.
But the TV is not broken if it is given a signal; it always displays...
Please excuse me, my voltage regulator is too old.