SCART Connectors and Their Connection Issues

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txiki Posted messages 6514 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   -

Hello everyone,

Thank you for helping me with a "Scart" connection problem between my recent TV and my old VCR.

My wish is to be able to record what is on the TV screen onto the VCR.

There are 2 Scart connections on the TV and 2 Scart connections on the VCR.

I have tried all possible connection combinations without success.

I can easily play a pre-recorded VHS tape, but I can't record as mentioned above.

I would like to know if the Scart connections, by their design, are incapable of delivering (or receiving) certain audio signals which would explain the problem.

I believe I read somewhere that these Scart connections did not transmit certain types of signals, but I also read elsewhere that they had inputs and outputs for composite video...

So, I am a bit lost, and I thank you in advance if you can enlighten me.

Best regards,

Pierrot

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georges97 Posted messages 14500 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   2 891
 

Good evening,

While waiting for the intervention of one of the TV specialists, I am noting a description (recording what is on the TV screen onto the VCR) that seems to indicate a "bad" understanding of how a VCR works.

The PERITEL socket on a television (to my knowledge) is an input and cannot output a video signal to the VCR. The reception of broadcasts is done via the coaxial input (antenna) present on the VCR, provided it conforms to the current TNT2 standard.

The PERITEL socket on the VCR does indeed allow playback on the television.

For less than 40 euros, there are TNT2 receivers available that have a USB port allowing recording onto a USB stick or drive. And this is possible without any analog VCR. These devices are equipped with an antenna input and an HDMI output.

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baladur13 Posted messages 47537 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 370
 

Hello,

What are the references (brand and model) of the television and the VCR?

Who provides the image to the television?

A TV box - a decoder and/or a rooftop antenna?


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txiki Posted messages 6514 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   611
 

Hello everyone,

@georges97:
"The PERITEL socket on a television (as far as I know) is an input and cannot send a video signal to the VCR": No, it's bidirectional.

@Pierrot:
Forget about recording images/videos on your VCR.
Use it only to play video cassettes on your TV!

Follow the advice of georges97 instead (end of response).

Best regards!


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georges97 Posted messages 14500 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   2 891
 

Hello txiki,

Your correction is welcome, and therefore my statement (unidirectional PERITEL) is false. The rest of my remarks seem to be accurate, namely that the television does not deliver a signal.

I’ll leave it to you now.

Best regards

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contrariness Posted messages 337 Registration date   Status Membre Last intervention   6 240
 

It also depends on the TV.. On the first flat-screen TVs without digital terrestrial television (DTT), it was possible to record broadcasts from the TV's tuner onto a VCR via the SCART connection.
Depending on how the SCART was wired, the output signal was either from the screen or from the tuner. So, on TVs equipped with two SCART connections (like some LG models), you could watch a tape while copying it onto a second VCR...

Of course, the cable should be properly wired because unidirectional cables do exist.

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txiki Posted messages 6514 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   611
 

Hello everyone,

Of course, "unidirectional" cables are sold more frequently because we don't pay attention (and they're cheaper), only half of the pins are used.

Note: I'm not sure that the scart on the TV is directly connected to the tuner since you can "play a video from the scope" or record "to the scope", in the case of a cable with all the pins connected.

Personally, I only bought "full" cables (the cord is thicker if you pay close attention).

Best regards!

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pierre06650 Posted messages 2 Status Membre
 

Thank you all for your contributions.

I had started to think a bit like georges97 in his initial message, but txiki shows the pinout of a Scart connector where you can clearly see the input and output pins, so it's bidirectional.

It remains to be seen if what appears on the screen of the television is also switched to the Scart; georges97 asserts that it is not.

For baladur13:

My flat-screen television is a Philips model 40pfl8605h and the VCR is a Philips VR610.

The signal comes to the TV via an HDMI socket from a Canal decoder or, depending on the circumstances, through a coaxial socket from a rooftop antenna in the case of TNT reception.

Thank you, georges97, for the tip about a TNT2 decoder, but if possible, I would like to stick with VHS tape recordings for humanitarian reasons towards a third party.

Best regards,

Pierrot

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txiki Posted messages 6514 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   611
 

Hello everyone,

"but txiki shows the pinout of a SCART connector": it just shows that signals go both ways in a SCART connector (the real name for péritel) (if all the wires are there, of course).

Now I don't know how the SCART connector is wired on your TV. Being recent, it is certainly "Input" but I don't have the TV specifications in front of me!
This allows you to view content from a VCR on a TV screen.

"It remains to be seen if, in the television, what appears on the screen is also switched to the SCART, georges97 claims it is not.": well we just don't know! Your TV is recent!

If it's that one NO: (scroll down). Don't forget that the VCR outputs an "analog" signal while your TV is "digital".
If it had been older, its SCART would be "Input/Output" analog, but not here.

Ext. 1 SCART/péritel (SCART is the name for péritel)

  • Audio L/R
  • Composite Video Input (no output so...)
  • RGB

Best regards!


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georges97 Posted messages 14500 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   2 891
 

Good evening,

It remains to be seen whether what appears on the screen of the television is also switched to the SCART, georges97 asserts that it is not.

It seems you have not read my message n°4, where I replied to him: Your correction is welcome and thus my assertion (one-way SCART) false.

You cannot therefore argue that I oppose the position of txiki, which prevails over mine and could not concern a television for which you did not provide the reference.

My interest in this forum is based on the notion of exchange and the acquisition of new concepts.

It would therefore be wise, in my opinion, to check that your television corresponds to what txiki states in message n°6.

Thank you for your attention.

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baladur13 Posted messages 47537 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 370
 

Hello,

The tv manual on page 88 confirms that the two SCART sockets are only inputs.

Excerpt

As already mentioned, the old VCR is no longer able to decode the TNT signals broadcast in MPEG4.

This shortcoming can be addressed by acquiring an MPEG4 TNT decoder with a SCART output.

However, regarding signals from the Canal+ decoder, if it is recent and does not have a SCART socket and only has an HDMI output, the problem is more complex.

One would need to consider an HDMI splitter, one output to the TV and the other to an HDMI to SCART converter (image quality is not great in the end).

Which Canal+ decoder do you have?

https://assistance.canalplus.com/questions/1785882-retrouvez-notices-manuels-utilisation-decodeurs


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pierre06650 Posted messages 2 Status Membre
 

Hello everyone!

Thank you for all your explanations that help me understand better.

For baladur13, my decoder is the very latest black one, referred to as "black card".

Its output is via an HDMI port, there is no Scart socket.

To answer txiki about my television: yes, that's the one! :-))

Best regards,

Pierrot

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baladur13 Posted messages 47537 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   14 370
 

I think we should give up the idea of being able to record anything with this VCR.

The solution that would use an HDMI to SCART converter generally results in poor quality images...

The wisest solution is to use an external hard drive connected to the decoder, either the one provided by Canal with an eSATAp port or one with a USB port connected to the USB socket.

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txiki Posted messages 6514 Registration date   Status Contributeur Last intervention   611 > baladur13 Posted messages 47537 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention  
 

I completely agree with you! Only use only to play VHS (analog) and not to record!
The HDMI output is digital, so it’s of much higher quality (but that’s not what he’s looking for apparently...)

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