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Hello everyone,
So I’m going to share my opinion because I quite like the subject… to work in this field and regularly meet these publishers.
1) PC GIMI and Altiris have nothing comparable. Similarly with Landesk.
GIMMI is a park management solution (a French publisher) primarily aimed at SMEs. The functional scope is not comparable to the Altiris (now Symantec) or Landesk (now AVOCENT) offerings. For a company with 3,000, 5,000, or more workstations, personally, I would only invest in such a solution if I was looking for a low-cost option to start structuring my IT activities. But what’s the point of buying without thinking about the future and the evolution of a solution?
PC GIMMI can meet simple asset management needs (inventory, management of IT assets, cost tracking, stock, etc.) and helpdesk support, all with a relative and debatable ITIL compatibility according to purists.
Don’t compare a Smart car with a Sedan, regardless of the manufacturer!
2) Altiris and Landesk are two competitors but they do not address the same segment and have strengths and weaknesses.
Landesk originally targeted the midmarket segment, meaning companies with between 500 and 2,500/3,000 workstations but can today address larger accounts because the tool has existed for 15 years and has proven itself.
The choice should be made either with a strategic dimension (choosing a publisher and adhering to its vision over the next three years) or based on purely technical criteria domain by domain…
Altiris can meet the needs of companies with 500 workstations, but the solution has a more collaborative approach, focusing on task industrialization, tool rationalization, and process automation for large enterprises.
The Landesk console is an administration console that is better suited for administrators of a small IT team. A task to be performed, an action in the console… I give a deliberately trivial example.
To compare the two solutions, one must have a global vision because the solutions have both strengths and weaknesses:
My opinion is as follows:
Altiris: Uncontested leader for its imaging and deployment/migration tool, for example: Altiris Deployment Solution has reached a point where HP, IBM, DELL, and FSC have signed an OEM agreement to offer it with thin clients and blade servers.
Landesk is significantly less mature in this area and not at all on par with Altiris in a server or thin client environment. --> see the agreements with VMWARE, IBM, HP, and DELL!
The CMDB and the Service Desk in Altiris with its workflow engine are more advanced, more complex certainly, but when you have to manage 10,000 workstations versus 500, you do not have the same expectations and ITIL experts versus a jack-of-all-trades!! We are not talking about the same thing.
Moreover, the Landesk CMDB is recent. Altiris has been working on it for several years.
The Landesk Service Desk comes from a recent acquisition of an old version from the publisher Touch paper.. until a year ago, Landesk claimed to have a service desk tool which is actually just a "rebranded" OEM version.
The antivirus solution is an OEM agreement for a light version of KASPERSKI.
The Patch Management solution, on the other hand, is undeniably more advanced and simpler than that of Altiris.
When I hear someone say that Landesk is better because it has a malware detection tool and controls peripheral ports, that person does not understand anything. Because we are touching on security, and there needs to be a coherence when implementing security policies… this is valid for an SME, but not for a large group that, due to the number of machines and the variety of configurations, different populations will have to define a global security policy and audits of compliance controls.
Moreover, Symantec has a rather effective antivirus recognized as the most advanced, SEP 11 MR3, which integrates standard peripheral management, firewall, intrusion prevention, etc. and an integration of the two solutions seems to be underway… who to trust… the number one in security or an expert in workstation administration??
Regarding the post about the integration of products resulting in a heavy infrastructure, that’s nonsense.
The Altiris approach is simple:
1 application server called the Notification Server. It includes all the necessary mechanisms for the tools we add according to our needs (bandwidth management, discovery of elements on the network, reporting, profile management, data model, etc.) when you master the infrastructure called NS (Notification Server), you master a powerful tool that plays a federative role to avoid having diverse and varied tools..
It is then sufficient to add and configure the modules: inventory, software distribution, remote control, helpdesk..
All this infrastructure natively integrates the components with each other and shares the same data resource model and when you install the CMDB, you then have all your data unified in a single database.
The goal is to automate and orchestrate administrative tasks, deployment, software updates... a slightly different approach nonetheless...
The web interface is 100% customizable; everything is reorganizable. By the way, the next version 7, which I saw, is excellent. Moreover, the profile management is more granular...
Just a note, there is a win32 interface for the Deployment / migration / master section.
They talk about virtualization at Landesk… false, it’s an agreement with the publisher Thinstall which was acquired by VMWARE. As usual, Landesk claims to have solutions but only signs agreements..
To conclude, the Altiris Rapid Deploy imaging engine is the most widely used in the world alongside Ghost. The integration of this imaging engine has been native in Altiris for a short time… a Ghost client has every interest in closely examining the Deployment solution module.
For remote control, Carbon Copy (finally a Compaq tool a long time ago) has been abandoned in favor of PC Anywhere, natively integrated in the next release.
My conclusion is that you cannot say that one solution is better than the other if you do not study in depth according to your needs.
But I still believe that Altiris is more refined, richer, more integrated, more scalable, particularly in Asset Management, packaging, virtualization, workstation backup, streaming, and so on… and the acquisition with Symantec is, I think, promising.
Landesk has a simpler interface at first glance; the solution is not as refined… but of course, it all depends on the functional domain..
That’s my opinion…
Mister A.
So I’m going to share my opinion because I quite like the subject… to work in this field and regularly meet these publishers.
1) PC GIMI and Altiris have nothing comparable. Similarly with Landesk.
GIMMI is a park management solution (a French publisher) primarily aimed at SMEs. The functional scope is not comparable to the Altiris (now Symantec) or Landesk (now AVOCENT) offerings. For a company with 3,000, 5,000, or more workstations, personally, I would only invest in such a solution if I was looking for a low-cost option to start structuring my IT activities. But what’s the point of buying without thinking about the future and the evolution of a solution?
PC GIMMI can meet simple asset management needs (inventory, management of IT assets, cost tracking, stock, etc.) and helpdesk support, all with a relative and debatable ITIL compatibility according to purists.
Don’t compare a Smart car with a Sedan, regardless of the manufacturer!
2) Altiris and Landesk are two competitors but they do not address the same segment and have strengths and weaknesses.
Landesk originally targeted the midmarket segment, meaning companies with between 500 and 2,500/3,000 workstations but can today address larger accounts because the tool has existed for 15 years and has proven itself.
The choice should be made either with a strategic dimension (choosing a publisher and adhering to its vision over the next three years) or based on purely technical criteria domain by domain…
Altiris can meet the needs of companies with 500 workstations, but the solution has a more collaborative approach, focusing on task industrialization, tool rationalization, and process automation for large enterprises.
The Landesk console is an administration console that is better suited for administrators of a small IT team. A task to be performed, an action in the console… I give a deliberately trivial example.
To compare the two solutions, one must have a global vision because the solutions have both strengths and weaknesses:
My opinion is as follows:
Altiris: Uncontested leader for its imaging and deployment/migration tool, for example: Altiris Deployment Solution has reached a point where HP, IBM, DELL, and FSC have signed an OEM agreement to offer it with thin clients and blade servers.
Landesk is significantly less mature in this area and not at all on par with Altiris in a server or thin client environment. --> see the agreements with VMWARE, IBM, HP, and DELL!
The CMDB and the Service Desk in Altiris with its workflow engine are more advanced, more complex certainly, but when you have to manage 10,000 workstations versus 500, you do not have the same expectations and ITIL experts versus a jack-of-all-trades!! We are not talking about the same thing.
Moreover, the Landesk CMDB is recent. Altiris has been working on it for several years.
The Landesk Service Desk comes from a recent acquisition of an old version from the publisher Touch paper.. until a year ago, Landesk claimed to have a service desk tool which is actually just a "rebranded" OEM version.
The antivirus solution is an OEM agreement for a light version of KASPERSKI.
The Patch Management solution, on the other hand, is undeniably more advanced and simpler than that of Altiris.
When I hear someone say that Landesk is better because it has a malware detection tool and controls peripheral ports, that person does not understand anything. Because we are touching on security, and there needs to be a coherence when implementing security policies… this is valid for an SME, but not for a large group that, due to the number of machines and the variety of configurations, different populations will have to define a global security policy and audits of compliance controls.
Moreover, Symantec has a rather effective antivirus recognized as the most advanced, SEP 11 MR3, which integrates standard peripheral management, firewall, intrusion prevention, etc. and an integration of the two solutions seems to be underway… who to trust… the number one in security or an expert in workstation administration??
Regarding the post about the integration of products resulting in a heavy infrastructure, that’s nonsense.
The Altiris approach is simple:
1 application server called the Notification Server. It includes all the necessary mechanisms for the tools we add according to our needs (bandwidth management, discovery of elements on the network, reporting, profile management, data model, etc.) when you master the infrastructure called NS (Notification Server), you master a powerful tool that plays a federative role to avoid having diverse and varied tools..
It is then sufficient to add and configure the modules: inventory, software distribution, remote control, helpdesk..
All this infrastructure natively integrates the components with each other and shares the same data resource model and when you install the CMDB, you then have all your data unified in a single database.
The goal is to automate and orchestrate administrative tasks, deployment, software updates... a slightly different approach nonetheless...
The web interface is 100% customizable; everything is reorganizable. By the way, the next version 7, which I saw, is excellent. Moreover, the profile management is more granular...
Just a note, there is a win32 interface for the Deployment / migration / master section.
They talk about virtualization at Landesk… false, it’s an agreement with the publisher Thinstall which was acquired by VMWARE. As usual, Landesk claims to have solutions but only signs agreements..
To conclude, the Altiris Rapid Deploy imaging engine is the most widely used in the world alongside Ghost. The integration of this imaging engine has been native in Altiris for a short time… a Ghost client has every interest in closely examining the Deployment solution module.
For remote control, Carbon Copy (finally a Compaq tool a long time ago) has been abandoned in favor of PC Anywhere, natively integrated in the next release.
My conclusion is that you cannot say that one solution is better than the other if you do not study in depth according to your needs.
But I still believe that Altiris is more refined, richer, more integrated, more scalable, particularly in Asset Management, packaging, virtualization, workstation backup, streaming, and so on… and the acquisition with Symantec is, I think, promising.
Landesk has a simpler interface at first glance; the solution is not as refined… but of course, it all depends on the functional domain..
That’s my opinion…
Mister A.
If you are interested in a fleet management software, you can always request a quote; I work at PCI, the publisher of the fleet management software GIMI. It is also possible to have a personalized online demonstration.
https://www.simplydesk.fr
Otherwise, you can always call to get more information: 04 72 20 09 92
Best regards.
https://www.simplydesk.fr
Otherwise, you can always call to get more information: 04 72 20 09 92
Best regards.
Hello,
the TCO for 1200 is calculated not on the basis of a license purchase and its implementation, but on all direct and indirect costs related to its preparation, maintenance, support, and disposal....
At Altiris, the price is based on the number of workstations to be managed and the requested features since the offering is very modular.
You should consider around €30/35 excluding VAT per workstation to cover all inventory functions, license management + what PC GIMMI does not offer, and this is where it becomes very interesting when we need to troubleshoot a workstation remotely, all imaging functions (GHOST for example), automatic deployment of OS and applications, teledistribution, patch management, remote control. For Helpdesk functions, the market price is around €900 to €1500 per user, depending on the vendors....
For 1200 workstations... it's a nice project. Contact Symantec / Altiris through the switchboard and ask for an Altiris sales representative... or an Altiris partner, I found one.. DMI based in Paris and Lyon. Personally, we have already worked with them.. very very expert in the field and attentive in my opinion....
Good luck
Mister A
the TCO for 1200 is calculated not on the basis of a license purchase and its implementation, but on all direct and indirect costs related to its preparation, maintenance, support, and disposal....
At Altiris, the price is based on the number of workstations to be managed and the requested features since the offering is very modular.
You should consider around €30/35 excluding VAT per workstation to cover all inventory functions, license management + what PC GIMMI does not offer, and this is where it becomes very interesting when we need to troubleshoot a workstation remotely, all imaging functions (GHOST for example), automatic deployment of OS and applications, teledistribution, patch management, remote control. For Helpdesk functions, the market price is around €900 to €1500 per user, depending on the vendors....
For 1200 workstations... it's a nice project. Contact Symantec / Altiris through the switchboard and ask for an Altiris sales representative... or an Altiris partner, I found one.. DMI based in Paris and Lyon. Personally, we have already worked with them.. very very expert in the field and attentive in my opinion....
Good luck
Mister A
Hello, so who will have the last word? GIMI is it good or not?
I have seen good reviews about the product and others not so good. After checking out the flash version on their website, the tool seems to be efficient.
I have seen good reviews about the product and others not so good. After checking out the flash version on their website, the tool seems to be efficient.
I do not share this categorical viewpoint.
- Altiris is currently the only vendor offering a unique infrastructure with a true CMDB (single source of configuration items) associated with a modular suite of solutions for managing the lifecycle of IT assets, automating operations, and enhancing security. Moreover, Altiris has numerous strategic alliances with HP, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu Siemens Computers, Cisco, Microsoft, Philips, Intel, etc. Altiris is currently the de facto standard, for example, for the industrial deployment of servers and PCs. Altiris solutions cover a wide range of areas including software distribution, inventory, asset management, service desk, cloning, migration (to Vista, for example, at the moment), software virtualization, management of servers, thin clients, PDAs, patch management, local account management, PC and laptop security, auditing and compliance control, IT service management, real-time administration, remote control, etc.
- On the other hand, GIMI is a small vendor that limits its scope to inventory, helpdesk, and park management. Integration with other solutions is very tricky. This choice today seems to be contrary to the market trend and the preferences of IT managers who are looking to reduce costs and improve service quality through better integration and interoperability of the information system.
- Finally, since we are talking about Landesk, this company was acquired last year by a hardware manufacturer named Avocent, and it is difficult for the customer to see the long-term synergy of this acquisition. The first negative effect is that, now publicly traded, Landesk can no longer do anything it wants with pricing, becoming aligned with its competitors' prices (or even more expensive). The functional scope of the Landesk offering being narrower than that of Altiris, they often have to rely on Altiris solutions, for example, for application packaging (Altiris-Wise) or software virtualization (SVS) etc.
In conclusion, Altiris has become the undisputed leader in many sectors of the American market in just a few years, and is now investing heavily in Europe. It is highly likely that in the coming months or one to two years, Altiris will take the same position it has taken in the US.
- Altiris is currently the only vendor offering a unique infrastructure with a true CMDB (single source of configuration items) associated with a modular suite of solutions for managing the lifecycle of IT assets, automating operations, and enhancing security. Moreover, Altiris has numerous strategic alliances with HP, Dell, IBM, Fujitsu Siemens Computers, Cisco, Microsoft, Philips, Intel, etc. Altiris is currently the de facto standard, for example, for the industrial deployment of servers and PCs. Altiris solutions cover a wide range of areas including software distribution, inventory, asset management, service desk, cloning, migration (to Vista, for example, at the moment), software virtualization, management of servers, thin clients, PDAs, patch management, local account management, PC and laptop security, auditing and compliance control, IT service management, real-time administration, remote control, etc.
- On the other hand, GIMI is a small vendor that limits its scope to inventory, helpdesk, and park management. Integration with other solutions is very tricky. This choice today seems to be contrary to the market trend and the preferences of IT managers who are looking to reduce costs and improve service quality through better integration and interoperability of the information system.
- Finally, since we are talking about Landesk, this company was acquired last year by a hardware manufacturer named Avocent, and it is difficult for the customer to see the long-term synergy of this acquisition. The first negative effect is that, now publicly traded, Landesk can no longer do anything it wants with pricing, becoming aligned with its competitors' prices (or even more expensive). The functional scope of the Landesk offering being narrower than that of Altiris, they often have to rely on Altiris solutions, for example, for application packaging (Altiris-Wise) or software virtualization (SVS) etc.
In conclusion, Altiris has become the undisputed leader in many sectors of the American market in just a few years, and is now investing heavily in Europe. It is highly likely that in the coming months or one to two years, Altiris will take the same position it has taken in the US.
Hello,
Go to the woods crcoclebo!
Three years after your superb post, the Symantec site still doesn't list any resellers in Europe...
I can't even understand how you can give such subjective answers...
You could have just done a copy/paste from the site, it would have been the same, anyway, an intervention that serves no purpose!
PS: Mine doesn't contribute much either :-p but this commercial speech is the most annoying thing for someone who is trying to do a real comparative study.
Go to the woods crcoclebo!
Three years after your superb post, the Symantec site still doesn't list any resellers in Europe...
I can't even understand how you can give such subjective answers...
You could have just done a copy/paste from the site, it would have been the same, anyway, an intervention that serves no purpose!
PS: Mine doesn't contribute much either :-p but this commercial speech is the most annoying thing for someone who is trying to do a real comparative study.
Hello,
I'm coming out of the woods then... :-)
Well, I went on the Symantec website, and apparently you can find everything you want in terms of resellers, for example in France http://partnerlocator.symantec.com/...
I find that this suite is very well designed and very comprehensive, especially since the free integration of Workflow. Now, it's not a solution that you can grasp in 5 minutes...
I'm coming out of the woods then... :-)
Well, I went on the Symantec website, and apparently you can find everything you want in terms of resellers, for example in France http://partnerlocator.symantec.com/...
I find that this suite is very well designed and very comprehensive, especially since the free integration of Workflow. Now, it's not a solution that you can grasp in 5 minutes...
Hello,
I'm not convinced that Altiris is better than LANDesk because it's important to know that Altiris' offering follows the integration of several products, which results in a very heavy infrastructure to implement as well as a web-only interface that is quite limited.
Furthermore, LANDesk now integrates a CMDB via its Service Desk offering. From a security perspective, LANDesk's offering covers many functionalities (Patch, anti-spyware, management of peripherals (usb, bluetooth, wifi, cd, DVD, etc.), prohibited applications, access control, antivirus updates, with the added bonus of integrating a validation circuit through Process Manager provided in a light version in the Security Suite.
Regarding packaging, LANDesk relies on InstallShield and not Wise, and for virtualization, LANDesk has a proprietary offering, LANDesk virtualization.
On the other hand, Altiris now relies on Ghost and PcAnywhere for image management and remote control; good luck with the integration.
We conducted a very thorough study on the subject, and our conclusions are unmistakably in favor of LANDesk.
Best regards,
Danny
I'm not convinced that Altiris is better than LANDesk because it's important to know that Altiris' offering follows the integration of several products, which results in a very heavy infrastructure to implement as well as a web-only interface that is quite limited.
Furthermore, LANDesk now integrates a CMDB via its Service Desk offering. From a security perspective, LANDesk's offering covers many functionalities (Patch, anti-spyware, management of peripherals (usb, bluetooth, wifi, cd, DVD, etc.), prohibited applications, access control, antivirus updates, with the added bonus of integrating a validation circuit through Process Manager provided in a light version in the Security Suite.
Regarding packaging, LANDesk relies on InstallShield and not Wise, and for virtualization, LANDesk has a proprietary offering, LANDesk virtualization.
On the other hand, Altiris now relies on Ghost and PcAnywhere for image management and remote control; good luck with the integration.
We conducted a very thorough study on the subject, and our conclusions are unmistakably in favor of LANDesk.
Best regards,
Danny
Hello,
I also share Danny's view on this comparison. Altiris is extremely heavy... Landesk is lighter and much more comprehensive in terms of management console.
Without a doubt, it’s Landesk I would choose.
Sincerely
I also share Danny's view on this comparison. Altiris is extremely heavy... Landesk is lighter and much more comprehensive in terms of management console.
Without a doubt, it’s Landesk I would choose.
Sincerely
Hello everyone,
I would like to know how many positions the GIMI software can manage!
Thank you for your response!
I would like to know how many positions the GIMI software can manage!
Thank you for your response!
Hello Little Flower, for your information GIMI can manage from 25 positions to thousands of positions.
As far as I know, there is no limitation.
As far as I know, there is no limitation.
It's not here to ask questions
it's here: http://www.commentcamarche.net/forum/forum 1?Acces=1#ecrire
it's here: http://www.commentcamarche.net/forum/forum 1?Acces=1#ecrire
I disagree with you, the scan works very well, I recently tested the GIMI product and it works fine at my place.
At first, I asked for help from their technical support for the scan setup.
I believe this forum has become a place where the competition is too fierce. Good luck to those looking for software.
It is extremely complicated to perform naturally simple tasks (reassigning a ticket, etc...)
You should know that this software easily doubles your management time! Reported bugs are not fixed... Unacceptable for the price of the suite....
If you are looking for simple software, look towards GLPI, it's free, at least you won't be let down.