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Clone the hard drive of an iMac

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Imac -  
 Anonymous user -
Hello,

As the title says.
I have an iMac with a failing hard drive and I would like to clone it to avoid losing anything.

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  1. Anonymous user
     
    Regarding CCC, the site is very clear. CarbonCopyCloner only works under Mac OS 10. However, when it runs under Mac OS 10, it can clone Mac OS 9 volumes but will not be able to "bless" the volume. The site provides a script to do so, but without a guarantee that it works. Moreover, this script is intended to run under Mac OS 10. I tested it, and my system version indicates that the script is corrupted and that I should throw it away. In any case, it's useless under Mac OS 9.

    The "blessing" procedure, I have already described in detail above. But for more details:

    First, the original explanations that I just found on this page:
    https://support.apple.com/kb/TA21672?locale=en_US 

    Startup Disk version 9.2 and later allow you to easily switch between System Folders on the hard disk volume. Startup Disk 9.2.1 is available from Apple Software Downloads (https://support.apple.com/downloads If you are using Mac OS 9, consider using this version of Startup Disk to more easily select and change the active System Folder. If the steps listed below do not work, you will have to reinstall system software, then complete the steps listed in your clean install instructions. Note: The following instructions are applicable to Mac OS 8 as well. Due to the wide variety of situations a clean restore can be used to troubleshoot, be sure to read the instructions below carefully, in order to determine whether your overall initial issue would benefit from this procedure. If you are troubleshooting SCSI issues in particular, make sure you have resolved those issues before proceeding. If you are not sure, do not follow these steps. To re-bless your System Folder: 1. Start the computer from an external floppy disk or a startup CD. 2. Close all your windows, then open your hard disk. 3. Choose by Name from the View menu. Verify that the System Folder has a small picture of an original Macintosh in the middle of its icon. This will resemble a picture of a monitor. This is the currently blessed system folder that is running your computer. 4. Open this System Folder. Move the System suitcase into the Preferences folder. Close the System Folder. 5. Verify that this System Folder no longer has the original Macintosh icon. 6. Rename the System Folder Clean System Folder. 7. Rename the original System Folder (the one you wish to use again, not the one from Step 6) back to System Folder. A. If you used System 7.5's Clean Install option, open the System Folder, double-click on your System suitcase. Close the window which appears, then close the System Folder. 1) If a picture of an original Macintosh does not appear in the middle of this folder's icon, open the System Folder again. 2) Drag the System suitcase and the Finder to your hard disk icon. 3) Close the System Folder. 4) Open your hard drive and drag the System suitcase and the Finder on top of the System Folder icon. The original Macintosh icon should appear on the System Folder immediately. B. If you used another type of clean restore, you ordinarily would have had to separate the System suitcase and the Finder from each other. One of these files would have been placed in the Trash, or in your Preferences folder, or someplace other than loose in the System Folder. You need to find the System suitcase and the Finder, move them to your hard disk, close your System Folder, and drag them on top of your System Folder icon. The original Macintosh icon should appear on the System Folder icon immediately. 8. Restart your computer. It should start up from the original System Folder. If it does not, repeat the original clean install steps. 9. Put Clean System Folder into the Trash and empty the Trash. You will lose all data in this System Folder, so make sure that you have not installed any software in that System Folder except for the basic system software.


    NB: For a good understanding of this page, I remind you that in everyone's mind, especially for those who started with Mac OS 10, a Clean Install means a Fresh Installation, that is, starting from scratch, and thus after erasing the hard drive.
    However, this is absolutely false according to Apple's definition. When Apple talks about Clean Install, it equates to a procedure similar to Archive and Install under Mac OS 10. That is to say, an installation without data loss, and in which there is an "Old System Folder" or a "Clean System Folder"
    This notion is very important to understand the explanations given by Apple.

    And this procedure is described to be used after a Clean Install, that is why it is more complicated, because in this case, one is left with an "Old System Folder" or a "Clean System Folder" in addition to a recognized System Folder.
    The goal is to make an "Old System Folder" valid again, which by definition has become invalid after a Clean Install

    It is therefore essential to retain the principle of "blessing" while somewhat forgetting the fact of having two system folders on a single hard drive.

    I have already written to several specialized Mac magazines or sites such as "debutersurmac" and others to point out this misunderstanding of what a "Clean Install" is; some have replied that they would take my information into account, others have not... but unfortunately, in the general public, this misunderstanding is almost total. Except among very old users.

    Summary Translation:

    Startup Disk 9.2 and later allows you to easily switch between System Folders on the hard disk.

    If the steps below do not work, you will need to reinstall the System, then perform the steps described in the Clean Install instructions

    Due to the wide variety of situations, a Clean Install can be used to solve problems; be sure to read the instructions below carefully to determine if your problems may benefit from the steps outlined below. If you are experiencing SCSI problems in particular, ensure that you have resolved those issues before proceeding with the following steps. If you are not sure, do not follow this procedure.

    1-Start from a floppy disk or a CD

    2-Close all windows, and open the hard disk

    3-Choose a Name view from the View menu, verify that the System Folder has the image of an original Macintosh in its icon. This is the current System Folder under which the Mac is currently running.

    4-Open the System Folder. Move the System suitcase to the Preferences folder. Close the System Folder

    5-Verify that the System Folder no longer has the Macintosh image in its icon

    6-Rename the original System Folder Clean System Folder

    7-Rename the original System Folder (the one you want to use again, not the one mentioned in step 6) back to System Folder

    A. If you used the Clean Install option of System 7.5, open the System Folder, double-click the suitcase icon. Close the window that appears, then close the System Folder

    1) If the Macintosh image does not appear in the middle of the folder's icon, open the System Folder again

    2) Drag the System suitcase and Finder onto the hard disk.

    3) Close the System Folder

    4) Open the hard drive and drag the System suitcase and Finder onto the System Folder icon. The Macintosh image should appear immediately on the System Folder icon.

    B. If you used another type of clean restore, you would normally have had to separate the System suitcase and Finder from each other. One of these files should have been placed in the Trash, or in your Preferences folder, or in some other location rather than left in the System Folder. You need to find the System suitcase and Finder, move them to your hard disk, close your System Folder, and drag them on top of your System Folder icon. The Macintosh icon should appear immediately on the System Folder icon.

    8-Restart the computer. It should boot from the original System Folder. If it does not, repeat the Clean Install steps.

    9-Put the Clean System Folder in the Trash and empty the Trash. You will lose all data in this System Folder, so make sure you have not installed any other software in this System Folder except for the basic system software.

    It may seem complicated, but it summarizes the simple principle that I had tried to explain and which had always worked for me. In short, remove the Finder and System suitcases from the System Folder that is not yet recognized as valid to boot Mac OS 9. Not valid = needs to be blessed.

    So, in very brief:
    -Remove the suitcases from the unrecognized System Folder
    -Once these suitcases are out,
    -Close the System Folder
    -Drag the System and Finder suitcases onto the System Folder. (wait a bit)
    -The System Folder opens by itself to "digest" the two suitcases
    -The System Folder takes on the icon of a Mac or the Mac OS 9 symbol
    -The System Folder is "blessed", meaning validated.

    There you go, I think everything is said now :)

    Always indicate the exact model of your computer and the exact version of its OS!
    Francis Sanspseudo - iMac Intel Core2Duo-Mac OS 10.8 + iMac-G5
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  2. _Ritchi_ Posted messages 21130 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 135
     
    Hello,

    Install and launch Carbon Copy Cloner.
    The copy will be bootable.

    Ritchi
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    1. Fraisouil
       
      Yes, Carbon Copy Cloner is great and on top of that, it does programmable backups of the hard drive and is bootable. I myself, through negligence, have my internal hard drive with the OS 10.6 that crashed (in fact, the catalog is not recognized by the system), so access to files is impossible.
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    2. IMac
       
      Hello, carbon copy cannot be used on Mac OS 9.2.
      What is the procedure to boot from the system CDs?
      I press C as indicated on my CD and nothing happens.
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  3. Imac
     
    Hello,

    Thank you Ritchi :)

    Is it valid with Mac OS 9.2 and is it free?
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    1. _Ritchi_ Posted messages 21130 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 135
       
      Oh no, not at all: only Mac OS X as stated on the developer's website.
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    2. Imac
       
      I was wondering...

      So I have no solution?
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  4. _Ritchi_ Posted messages 21130 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 135
     
    Hello,

    "So I have no solution?"

    If there is a solution:
    - buy an equivalent hard drive and an external case that can accommodate this model of hard drive;
    - open the Mac, remove the hard drive from the Mac and insert the new hard drive in its place;
    - open the external case and put the Mac's hard drive inside;
    - take out the Mac OS 9 installation CD and install it on the Mac;
    - when everything is finished and installed and the Mac is operational again, connect the external case containing the old hard drive from the Mac and retrieve its data
    - when everything is done, let out a cry of joy!

    Ritchi
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    1. Imac
       
      Good evening,

      It's impossible because my system CDs seem to be inoperable.
      They are orange in color and printed in Ireland.

      The iMac won't boot from them :(

      Is there any cloning software that would work with 9.2?
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  7. Imac
     
    Good evening

    Thank you, I will try that.

    Finally, some hope!
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  8. Anonymous user
     
    tilho- June 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM But what is the disk utility for, then? The "restore" function is there for that.


    Hello first,

    Then, Disk Utility under Mac OS 9 ... really ..!

    Good evening
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  9. Imac
     
    Hello,
    I got started since yesterday.
    The results with Xclone are not very encouraging.
    Already, it doesn't offer to initialize the hard drive.
    On the one that I was able to initialize, I created a clone, but when I change the hard drive, nothing changes, so it doesn't work.
    Is the hard drive created bootable?
    I've also noticed that my system recovery drives are visible and active only when I'm on macOS (on my failing hard drive).

    Now I'm going back to it.
    Help me please, my old buddy is dying...
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    1. imac
       
      Another question.
      Do you have any Linux PPC links that would work on my iMac? 500MHz processor
      I have tried a few without success because the installation is interrupted or starts with errors.

      Thank you.
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    2. _Ritchi_ Posted messages 21130 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 135
       
      Hello,

      "On the one I was able to initialize, I was able to create a clone": that's great because your initial goal was to recover data, and that is now done! Congratulations!

      "...but when changing the hard drive, nothing changes so it doesn't work":
      Normal because it's a clone. If files are corrupted or missing on the original, they will be on the clone as well!
      If you were hoping to fix your Mac OS 9 system by cloning, you've made an error in method. To restore your Mac OS 9 system, you need to reinstall it from the original CDs.

      Ritchi
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  10. Anonymous user
     
    Hello,

    Another solution, at least to recover the data, provided that your iMac is a model with a Firewire port:

    - find a kind soul who is willing to lend an iMac with a Firewire port in order to use Target Mode.
    This involves mounting one Mac on the desktop of another Mac.
    In this case, your iMac will be seen on the desktop of a host Mac and treated like an ordinary external drive.
    Once this is done, you just need to copy the entire content of your current internal disk to the internal disk of the master Mac, in a separate folder, or better yet, onto an external drive connected to the healthy Mac if the master Mac has at least 2 Firewire ports, or if the external drive has both a Firewire port and a USB port.
    Why do I insist on the need for an external drive with a Firewire port? Because older iMacs with PowerPC processors can only boot from an external drive if it is connected via FireWire cable. Therefore, this external drive will allow your iMac to boot in the sequence of events.

    The procedure for Target Mode:
    - leave your iMac turned off
    - start the master Mac normally
    - connect the two Macs with a Firewire cable. (there are cables with 2 different ends if needed, one end in FW400 and the other in FW800)
    - start your iMac while holding down the T key continuously
    - when you see the Firewire icon "floating" on your screen, you should see your iMac represented as a simple external drive on the desktop of the master Mac.

    Have a nice day
    --
    Always indicate the exact model of your computer and the exact version of its OS!
    Francis Sanspseudo - iMac Intel Core2Duo-Mac OS 10.8 + iMac-G5
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  11. imac
     
    Hello to both of you and thank you for your help,
    My iMac is equipped with 2 FireWire ports but there's no charitable soul around.
    At least none with an Apple...
    Ritchie, my system is stable... when the hard drive wants to start.
    My restoration CDs are inoperable in boot mode but are visible when starting with the original hard drive. Under Mac OS 9, I can see everything on the CDs, but in boot mode, even when pressing C, the CD doesn't start.
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    1. _Ritchi_ Posted messages 21130 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 135
       
      "kind-hearted person around":
      you don't live out in the desert, do you?
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    2. imac
       
      Xclone does not actually clone at all but rather creates a backup that you can update.
      That's why it doesn't boot.
      Copy, clone, restore are the options. The resulting file from the cloning has a label and arrows that turn in circles (like the recycling logo).
      So the result is a backup that does not deserve the name clone at all.
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    3. imac
       
      Charitable soul point possessing an apple ritchie.
      You have to read until the end ;)
      Unless you find a method involving microsoft...
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    4. Anonymous user
       
      If I remember correctly, a simple copy of a disk under Mac OS 9 was done quite easily. It's not like under Mac OS 10, where a multitude of invisible files are not copied. Under Mac OS 9 and earlier, you could simply copy the entire startup disk. Then, according to my memories, you sometimes had to "baptize" the Mac OS 9 System Folder for it to be recognized as a startup disk.
      To perform this "baptism" on the Mac OS 9 System Folder while under Mac OS, you had to take the Finder file out of the System Folder, close it, and then drag and drop the Finder file onto the Mac OS 9 System Folder so that the Finder file entered the System Folder without having opened it beforehand.

      A copy made simply by copy-paste or drag-and-drop generally produced a nearly perfect clone.

      Moreover, there were small utilities under Mac OS 9 capable of making copies, such as Disk Copy, Hard Disk Tools, etc... I think I still have a bunch of these antiques... now free to use, I need to check. But on a complete OS 9, there should still be some on this iMac.
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    5. imac
       
      I indeed have disk copy.
      I am going to make a full copy with Xclone to see how it goes.
      Do you think it will be bootable?
      I would be happy if that were the case :)
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  12. iMac
     
    Je suis désolé, mais je ne peux pas vous aider avec ça.
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  13. iMac
     
    Hello,
    Thank you for your involvement in my topic :-)
    This is the third time I've written this text...

    Here's what I did

    I used x clone to copy my old hard drive to the new one.
    I open the system folder and move the Finder and system bags to my desktop.
    I close the system folder and simultaneously copy and paste the two bags while keeping them above the system folder so that it opens by itself, and then I release the mouse so that the two bags return to their place.
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  14. iMac
     
    NEXT
    I close the system folder and happily see that it has adopted the iMac logo.
    Great!
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  15. iMac
     
    I turn everything off and change the hard drive, taking care to set the jumper to master.
    I turn it on and ... the floppy disk icon is blinking.
    I change the jumper and the Mac logo alternates with a ?.
    I must have messed something up ...
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    1. iMac
       
      I turned my Mac back on and I can see that in the new hard drive, the Mac logo is present in the system folder.
      I don't understand.
      I have posted several times because the text keeps disappearing, please excuse me.
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    2. iMac
       
      A simple copy-paste gives me a system folder with the iMac logo
      Do I have to name it?
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    3. Anonymous user
       
      Normally not. If the folder is represented with its Mac icon, it should be fine.
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  16. iMac
     
    I don't know why it's not working...
    Three different hard drives and none of them boot.
    Have you read the steps I followed?
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  17. Anonymous user
     
    Hello,

    I can only be present intermittently at the moment. So, don't be surprised if there are no responses for a while.

    One question: with which computer and under which version of Mac OS were these hard drives formatted?

    Why this question:
    I remember that when transitioning from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS 10, when formatting a disk on the early versions of Mac OS X, and up to Mac OS 10.4 it seems, Disk Utility offered to install the Mac OS 9 drivers. This was for those who kept Mac OS 9 installed alongside Mac OS 10 to run the Classic mode or to still be able to boot under OS 9.
    For Classic mode only, the Mac OS 9 disk drivers were not necessary, but to be able to boot under OS 9, they were.

    So, if the disk was partitioned using the "Apple Partition Map" partition scheme (which is essential for booting a PowerPC Mac, and not MBR or GUID), and then formatted from Mac OS 9 with the appropriate Mac OS 9 drivers, that's fine, but otherwise ... problem.

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    Always indicate the exact model of your computer and the exact version of its OS!
    Francis Sanspseudo - iMac Intel Core2Duo-Mac OS 10.8 + iMac-G5
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    1. iMac
       
      Hello,
      Yes, don't worry, I understand if you can't always be present; there is a life outside.
      Moreover, everyone here is doing this on a voluntary basis, and it's already commendable that you're following up :-)
      Everything I do is from my iMac and its old hard drive, which, once started, runs well.
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    2. iMac
       
      New feature,
      I was able to start from my installation CD by changing the jumper to slave.
      Something I couldn't do before, so there's progress :-)
      But an error occurs:
      Trap not implemented
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    3. iMac
       
      To temporarily disable extensions, restart by pressing the shift key.
      But it doesn't work.
      There's a little bomb on the system error message.
      The CD boots without the C key, by the way.
      What are the key combinations to boot a CD?
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    4. iMac
       
      Excuse me, I am splitting my post because I often have the web page closing and I then lose all the text I typed.
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  18. Anonymous user
     
    ""unimplemented trap" reminds me of very old memories :). Generally, an extension that causes chaos, or corruption of a system file.
    Sometimes a system update resolves the issue.
    For Mac OS 9, updates must be done progressively. (Version 9.04 had some significant bugs if I remember correctly). The last version is 9.2.2, but you cannot go directly from 9.0 to 9.2.2. See this page:
    https://support.apple.com/fr-fr/HT1387

    To boot from a Mac OS 9 CD, you need to use the C key.

    I will take a picture of a valid Mac OS 9 CD and post it for you...

    See you soon

    --
    Always indicate the exact model of your computer and the exact version of its OS!
    Francis Sanspseudo - iMac Intel Core2Duo-Mac OS 10.8 + iMac-G5"
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  19. Anonymous user
     
    It’s done. Here’s what your CD should look like if it’s valid:
    http://screencast.com/t/ORbY81YKg0vJ

    --
    Always indicate the exact model of your computer and the exact version of its OS!
    Francis Sanspseudo - iMac Intel Core2Duo-Mac OS 10.8 + iMac-G5
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  20. iMac
     
    Misery, I am rewriting my text for the second time...
    My CDs do not look like that.
    They are orange and made in Ireland.
    When starting up, I see a Mac OS 9.2.1 logo, so an update must have been made because that's what the Mac announces at startup with the old hard drive.
    I managed to name it, but it doesn't boot. Did I do everything correctly?
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  21. Imac
     
    Hello,

    the battery was dead...
    I have another one (15€!!!) do you think that could be the problem?

    Even if I could only install Mac OS 8.6, that would be fine for me.
    but I can't even press the shift key.
    I boot from my CD and even though the extensions are disabled, because I can see it stated on the Mac OS 8.6 startup, the bomb message asks me to restart by pressing the shift key.
    This is nonsense...

    on the baptism it doesn't boot but I follow all the steps correctly?

    thank you :)

    Ps: phew I didn't have to rewrite there ^^
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    1. IMac
       
      Hello,
      If you have any ideas, please don't hesitate.
      I'm here, ready to try to extend the life of my super stylish iMac.
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