Ubuntu and the Orange Livebox.

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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre -  
mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   -
Hello,

For a long time, I wanted to try the Ubuntu operating system. Well, here it is, I managed to download it, almost 700 megabytes! My issue concerns the wireless connection to my Orange livebox. Apparently, I entered the WEP key correctly and the livebox is detected. When I click on it, I am asked again for the entry code for the connection to succeed. So is the WEP key not sufficient? What identification should I enter then?

Furthermore, there’s something I would like to understand: under Ubuntu, the Wi-Fi switch light on my HP laptop shows "off" (orange light) regardless of the position I put it in. Whereas when I switch back to Windows Vista, the switch works normally. I've gone through the help but I admit I don't fully get it. But Ubuntu motivates me. And I'm not about to give up! :))

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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
This is a MIME type x-ms-wmp. A little googling brings up links like:
http://www.alionet.org/lofiversion/index.php?t22081.html

... which suggest that mplayer can read this type of file. Next, we look for which package contains the .so in question:

(mando@aldur) (~) $ apt-file search mplayerplug-in-wmp.so mozilla-mplayer: /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so mozilla-mplayer: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so mozilla-mplayer: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so 


... and apparently, it is enough to install mozilla-mplayer:

sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade sudo aptitude install mozilla-mplayer


All that’s left is to restart Firefox and it should work ;-)

Please open a new discussion thread for any problems you might encounter later, as I'm not sure it still corresponds to the original topic and title.

Good luck!
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
Normally, once the Wi-Fi network of the Livebox is selected, you just need to enter the WEP key (which is the famous key requested). However, make sure that your Livebox is actually using WEP (and not WPA).

The LEDs under Linux don't mean much. Try to take a look at this tutorial:
https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-37604408-configurer-le-wifi-sous-linux-debian

... in particular, report back the information requested at the end of the tutorial.

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Good evening, I’m now reading your response. I clicked on the link in question but all this technical data is making me dizzy! Moreover, my Livebox works normally with Vista and since I want to use both systems alternately, I don't want to change the configuration of the Wi-Fi card on my laptop for the sole benefit of Ubuntu. But did I really understand the tutorial? I doubt it! In any case, thank you for your response, but given my technical cluelessness, I would need simpler explanations in order to connect to my Livebox via Wi-Fi. What I notice is that the WEP key is not enough to succeed in the connection, whereas everything works fine under Vista. The different modems in my neighborhood appear in the list of wireless networks. In short, I’m still struggling. :))
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   4 215
 
Hi

You might want to try a different approach

Since WEP is less secure (crackable in no time), I recommend setting up your Livebox with a WPA key.
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Frezi Posted messages 218 Status Membre 23
 
You will find help on the Ubuntu documentation page here. http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/livebox
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
What I really need is the result of the requested commands at the end of the tutorial. At least that would allow me to verify that the card is recognized. Because if it works under Windows, the problem is either:

1) the card is not recognized properly (see iwconfig)
2) the card is misconfigured (see /etc/network/interfaces)

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Well, I think I need to take it step by step. Right now it's even worse than yesterday! When I click on NetworkManager, the menu shows "wired connection", "disconnected", and "VPN connections", and that's it. Only the VPN connections option is clickable, the other two are grayed out! When I display "Network connections", the "wired" tab shows Auto eth0 on the left and "never" on the right, the Wi-Fi tab shows Auto Livebox on the left and "never" on the right. What does that mean? If I click on add, the Modify connection window displays the wired, 802.1x security, and IPv4 settings tabs. Should I check "Use 802.1x security"? If so, how should I fill in the rest of the codes? I thought about going to "Drivers and devices". I activated the madwifi driver but that had no effect... In short, I would like to know where and how to enter the instructions you gave me so I can tell you the test results you want to check. Thanks again to everyone who replied. I'm continuing!! :))
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
You don't want to just report the information I asked you for?
https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-37604408-configurer-le-wifi-sous-linux-debian#toujours-en-difficulte

In particular if your card is called wlan0:

/sbin/iwconfig sudo iwlist wlan0 scan 

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
If this is what you're asking for: Atheros AR5007 802.11b/g WiFi Adapter.

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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
I also need the results of the commands I asked you for.
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/terminal

And also the results of:

lsmod | grep ath

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Hello mamiemando,

I have a nice surprise waiting for me as I just turned on the laptop under Ubuntu. Right off the bat, the Wi-Fi connection is working! And I haven't done anything more since my first message. It connects to the Livebox but rather weakly: not beyond 30%. Only 2 bars. But I wanted to let you know. I haven't browsed the web yet, so I don't know what the speed is like. The driver is ath5k_pci and it's "running" at 1Mb/s. That's it, I won't say more until I see how it performs in use. :) Who knows, by tonight or tomorrow I might lose the connection since I can't explain why it didn't work when I entered my WEP key. Now I need to go find the antivirus because my Avast isn't showing in the taskbar. By the way, can I ask if it's possible to switch from Ubuntu to Windows and vice versa without shutting down the machine? I want to keep Windows as long as I don't master Ubuntu well. And I still have a lot of work to do to get there! Music, streaming, photos, videos, etc... By the way, while I was writing this message, it went up to 42% and 2 Mb/s. I didn't know laptops had to heat up like the old machines! The two-wheeled machines, of course!! :))

(O)ld (B)iker forever
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Frezi Posted messages 218 Status Membre 23
 
On ubuntu, you don't need antivirus; in any case, even if you install Avast, it won't be useful because it has a virus database for Windows even though there is a Linux version. Possibly detecting suspicious activity, I don't see how it would be useful on Linux.
From Linux, restart and you arrive at GRUB, choose Windows and it starts, then if you want to return to Linux, restart again, go back to GRUB and this time select Linux. To shut down, you can choose "Shut down" in Windows just like in Linux.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   4 215
 
Cool for you :-)


Do you have a specific reason for installing an antivirus??

For music: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lecture_et_encodage_de_fichiers_audio
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lecture_et_encodage_de_fichiers_audio

Videos: VLC in Synaptic

Streaming (flash): http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/flashplayer

Photos: Do you have a specific problem?

And here’s an excellent PDF book to get started with ubuntu: http://www.framabook.org/ubuntu.html


PS: You can't switch from Windows to Ubuntu without rebooting.
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Indeed, I've read here and there that Ubuntu doesn't require as much protection as Windows for the good reason that hackers aren't interested in Linux, given that it's still a rather underused system. It gives us a temporary reprieve but... As for the sound, I’m quick to use the links I receive on the topic. And all the other links, of course. I have plenty to keep me entertained. Among other things, all the words I'm typing are underlined in red. Suppose the dictionary isn't set to French. Odd, though I did enter the correct language. Thanks again for the help from everyone. I feel like I’m going to use and probably abuse all the knowledge concentrated in the forum. One day I’ll help too. That's the Ubuntu spirit, right? :))
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   4 215
 
Linux is mainly more secure than Windows in terms of architecture, rights management, and responsiveness to updates.

It is rarely used on desktop PCs, but it powers many servers and network hardware, which are often targets for hacking. Your argument about its limited use is also a factor, but for now, the fact is that I've had Ubuntu for 10 months, without antivirus and not a single problem. I have still configured a firewall.

For the simple version: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/viruses/index_fr.php?lang=fr



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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
No need for antivirus in my opinion, but you do what you want. If your connection has worked once, it should normally be fine, and you shouldn't have any problems afterward. As for the signal quality, it all depends on the distance and the number of walls between your PC and your router.

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Well, I actually solved all the problems in the first place by reinstalling Ubuntu instead of Vista. I did try to partition the C: to keep both systems. I was unable to do so. So, I eliminated Vista. Anyway, I made a backup on 3 CDs. That way, I can restore it whenever I want. Except that I don't understand anything about partitioning. I went through the tutorials online, but it's hours of reading that don't inform me (as a layperson). Could you explain it to me in a "partitioning for dummies" way? Thank you for taking an interest in my case. :))
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
To partition, you need to use dedicated software, for example, cfdisk (in text mode), which must, of course, be launched as root or with sudo to be effective.

Partitioning and formatting

You then need to create the partitions of your choice (without touching the existing ones that you want to keep). At this stage, the partition is "declared" but is not "built" (formatted). We talk about the partition table.

Formatting a partition deletes the data present on it and allows for the creation of a file system (fs as filesystem). Ext4, ext3, FAT32 (or vfat), and NTFS are all types of file systems (see the following paragraph).

Each partition is associated under Linux with a device (/dev/sda1 for example), in the same way that Windows will associate it with a drive (for example, D:). In fact, /dev/sd means "a USB/SCSI/SATA device", then the letter (a or b, c or d...) depends on whether the disk is primary or secondary, and the number that follows is the partition number on the disk.

Example: /dev/sda1 means "the first partition of a primary USB/SATA/SCSI disk". IDE devices are noted /dev/hd... (but nowadays they are becoming obsolete). Generally speaking, Linux creates a device for almost everything (disks, USB drives, but also sound cards, mice, etc.). If the disk has three partitions, they will be named /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, and /dev/sda3.

Under Linux, formatting is done using commands derived from mkfs (for example, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.vfat, etc...) or with graphical tools. Mkfs takes the device and the file system as parameters.

File systems

The file system is the organization that allows a system (Linux, Windows...) to find data. Under Linux, file systems are supported by the kernel or by a module. A file system allows for various functionalities (user rights management, symbolic links, maximum file size, error logging system, etc.).

For example, FAT32 is readable and writable under both Linux and Windows, but there are no notions of rights, symbolic links, and file sizes are limited; ext4 is by default not readable under Windows; NTFS becomes fragmented, etc. If one day you compile your own kernel and forget to include the file system used by /, you will probably have a nice "kernel panic."

Some file systems have a very specific role, especially for importing network shares. For example, cifs allows you to mount a samba network share, nfs allows you to mount an nfs share (Linux), sshfs allows you to mount a file system over ssh, etc.

So far:
- ext3 and now ext4, but there are others (reiserfs, xfs). After that, it's a matter of taste ;-)
- FAT32 for data common to different systems (movies, music...) but since Linux allows writing on NTFS (see ntfs-3g), we might consider using NTFS
- NTFS for Windows (back when I had Windows :p)

How to partition under Linux

Unlike Windows, Linux is installed on at least two partitions named / (the system) and swap (the equivalent of the swap file in Windows, used when your RAM is full). In the same way that some users on Windows isolate their data on a partition other than the system (to reinstall it directly), Linux generally proposes to place /home on a partition other than / .

As far as I’m concerned, I find that it has less interest because you can almost always repair a Linux system (and at worst recover the data with an installation CD). You really have to make a catastrophic mistake under Linux with a sudo (or as root) to break it.

In practice, there’s no point in having more than 1GB of swap, and you should count 9GB or more to install the system and be comfortable. If you only have Linux, you can imagine a partitioning scheme like this:
- 1 GB of swap
- the rest as ext4 (for /)
... or alternatively:
- 1 GB of swap
- 9GB in ext4 for /
- the rest in ext4 for /home

In my case, I historically had Windows, so my partitioning was more like:
- 10 GB for Windows in NTFS (just readable under Linux)
- 1 GB of swap (invisible under Windows)
- 9 GB for Linux in ext3 (invisible under Windows)
- the rest in FAT32 (for movies and music, readable and writable by both Windows and Linux).

Mounting a file system

Regardless of the device (hard disk partition, USB drive, CD...), when you plug in a device, it is associated with a device file (for example /dev/sda1, /dev/cdrom, etc.). This is associated with a file system (ext4, vfat...).

At boot time, the system creates a device for each hard disk partition (typically one for / and one for swap). The system then relies on /etc/fstab to mount / and swap (and potentially other partitions marked "auto" in this file).

If it’s a connection made after Linux has started up, udev monitors what's happening in terms of connections. It is for example possible to define udev rules that, depending on the connected USB device, name the device file differently (for example, /dev/usb_key or /dev/phone). Otherwise (and if the device and its file system are correctly supported), the system gives a default name (for example, /dev/sdb1).

In the past, you had to add rules in /etc/fstab to easily mount a device, but increasingly, it is hal that takes care of everything. It is particularly responsible, when you plug in a camera or USB drive, for asking you what to do.

I hope this is a bit clearer for you; don’t hesitate to browse the Ubuntu documentation or the Gentoo manual where everything is also very well explained (and perhaps in a more rigorous way than this summary).

http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/partitions
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/mount_fstab
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/udev
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/hal

Good luck
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
I admire your knowledge and appreciate your very clear and explicit writing. Now all that's left for me is to study the matter seriously. Plus, you provided me with links for detailed information. That's very kind of you, and I thank you for it. :))
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
Thank you for the compliments, they made me happy ^^ I hope it enlightened you and encourages you to continue with Linux, I wish you all the best ;-)
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Frezi Posted messages 218 Status Membre 23
 
CCM without mamiemando would no longer be CCM. :) I also had a very long discussion with her when I first started with Linux. And I'm still here; I've even become an advocate, especially for free software.
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
Oh dear! I'm going to blush :-) But in fact, my entire "fight" on CCM is precisely to convince more and more people that today, we can work with free and open systems (and to help them in their approach).

When someone tells me that they become a fervent defender and that they are going to try to convince those around them or help their neighbor get started with Linux, it is one of my greatest satisfactions ^^
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Frezi Posted messages 218 Status Membre 23
 
I love Linux, ever since I've been using it, I've finally got a computer. It's true that at first it can seem... how can I put it... different, especially with the use of the terminal, etc. What I adore about Linux is the simplicity of installing programs; you have a repository, you choose, say to install, and everything is done automatically. You don't download everything and anything, nor do you have to worry; downloaded, installed, operational.
I wouldn't want any other OS, not for all the gold in the world, because Linux is also good for my health, since I'm less tense when I use it. :) Alright, we're straying from the subject even if it's resolved!
Good luck. Thank you
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
:-) You too, take care ^^
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oby one Posted messages 152 Status Membre 19
 
Euh, resolved?... That's a lot to say Frezi :) Let's say there is a lot of hope, given my motivation for the values of free software that I also believe in. But I think I’m not done calling on "our" mamiemando (if I may allow myself this mark of virtual affection).

By the way, I’m not giving up on my project of reinstalling Vista. It’s more for the technical challenge than for Vista!! :)) but I’m currently looking to watch the C dans l'air shows on fr5. However, I think I’ve downloaded the mimms plugin package that I apparently need. Except it still doesn’t work. On the other hand, for streaming music sites and YouTube videos everything works fine. mamiemando, you have in me a new student on CCM! I will try to honor your teaching.:))
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mamiemando Posted messages 33541 Registration date   Status Modérateur Last intervention   7 935
 
Oulala I'm touched :-) Well, for France 5 I can try to watch tonight but you would need to give me the link (I can probably find it myself but it would save time if you give it to me).
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