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Hello,
I have a 2015 MacBook Pro, 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 processor, with 8GB of memory. It is running macOS High Sierra (10.13.6).
I have always postponed the updates without doing them, and today I am stuck because I cannot make any updates, and I have more and more incompatible updates in the App Store (Pages, iMovie, Keynote, Numbers...). Do you think there is a solution? I'm starting university this fall, and I can't afford a new computer.
Thank you in advance!
I have a 2015 MacBook Pro, 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 processor, with 8GB of memory. It is running macOS High Sierra (10.13.6).
I have always postponed the updates without doing them, and today I am stuck because I cannot make any updates, and I have more and more incompatible updates in the App Store (Pages, iMovie, Keynote, Numbers...). Do you think there is a solution? I'm starting university this fall, and I can't afford a new computer.
Thank you in advance!
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Hello
If the app store does not offer a compatible update, it means your MacOS High Sierra also needs to be updated!!
It's MacOS Catalina that is "up to date" while waiting for the next "Big Sur".
Check the store to see if it offers you an update to Catalina? It all depends on your exact model.
Cheers
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Let him who has never opened a user manual throw the first mouse.
If the app store does not offer a compatible update, it means your MacOS High Sierra also needs to be updated!!
It's MacOS Catalina that is "up to date" while waiting for the next "Big Sur".
Check the store to see if it offers you an update to Catalina? It all depends on your exact model.
Cheers
If the answer helped you: a little thank you is nice. If it's resolved: the green button at the top is better ;-)
Let him who has never opened a user manual throw the first mouse.
Good evening,
It seems to be the 13" "early 2015" model and, indeed, it can run under Catalina, but be careful, this OS can only run 64-bit applications so you need to be cautious. Furthermore, 8 GB of RAM is a bit tight and since the memory is soldered onto the motherboard, there's no way to upgrade it.
However, I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to use the applications currently on your Mac; I'm on an older OS and have no problems with the mentioned applications in their version for El Capitan.
If nothing is offered in the App Store/software update, it means your versions are already on the latest version compatible with your OS.
--
When it's urgent, it's already too late (Talleyrand)
When everything has failed, read the manual ;)
It seems to be the 13" "early 2015" model and, indeed, it can run under Catalina, but be careful, this OS can only run 64-bit applications so you need to be cautious. Furthermore, 8 GB of RAM is a bit tight and since the memory is soldered onto the motherboard, there's no way to upgrade it.
However, I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to use the applications currently on your Mac; I'm on an older OS and have no problems with the mentioned applications in their version for El Capitan.
If nothing is offered in the App Store/software update, it means your versions are already on the latest version compatible with your OS.
--
When it's urgent, it's already too late (Talleyrand)
When everything has failed, read the manual ;)
Hello, thank you for your reply!
I don't know much about it, when you talk about 64-bit applications what kind of apps are you referring to? Regarding the 8 GB of memory, I thought that was a good number; for a (potential) future Mac, do you recommend getting more?
And yes, I can still use the applications, but it's not possible to update them on the app store because the updates are incompatible... As a result, some features become impossible to use if the updates aren't made (the "collaborate" feature, for example).
I don't know much about it, when you talk about 64-bit applications what kind of apps are you referring to? Regarding the 8 GB of memory, I thought that was a good number; for a (potential) future Mac, do you recommend getting more?
And yes, I can still use the applications, but it's not possible to update them on the app store because the updates are incompatible... As a result, some features become impossible to use if the updates aren't made (the "collaborate" feature, for example).
Hello,
There's no need to double the message to get a faster response; we are not robots but volunteers, and we respond when we can.
That said, I’m talking about all non-Apple applications.
Regarding memory, it's important to note that current operating systems are becoming increasingly resource-hungry, and the fact that the system no longer "draws" on mass memory when it lacks it at the moment, unlike older operating systems, slows down performance, so the Mac drags and we complain! We are becoming more and more demanding, so 16 GB of RAM is becoming a minimum, despite what Apple says.
There's no need to double the message to get a faster response; we are not robots but volunteers, and we respond when we can.
That said, I’m talking about all non-Apple applications.
Regarding memory, it's important to note that current operating systems are becoming increasingly resource-hungry, and the fact that the system no longer "draws" on mass memory when it lacks it at the moment, unlike older operating systems, slows down performance, so the Mac drags and we complain! We are becoming more and more demanding, so 16 GB of RAM is becoming a minimum, despite what Apple says.
Sorry for the double reply, I realized that I hadn't responded "under" your comment and I didn't know how to delete the other one. But it was in no way for a quicker response from you.
Thank you for your clear answer, I will know for next time, it’s true that with 8 GB my computer can be slow at times.
Have a nice day!
Thank you for your clear answer, I will know for next time, it’s true that with 8 GB my computer can be slow at times.
Have a nice day!
Good evening, thank you for your response!
I don't know much about this, when you talk about 64-bit applications, what kind of applications do you mean? For the 8 GB of memory, I thought that was a good amount; for a (potential) future Mac, would you recommend getting more?
And yes, I can still use the applications, but I can't update them on the app store because the updates are incompatible... As a result, some features become impossible to use if the updates are not applied (the "collaborate" feature, for example).
I don't know much about this, when you talk about 64-bit applications, what kind of applications do you mean? For the 8 GB of memory, I thought that was a good amount; for a (potential) future Mac, would you recommend getting more?
And yes, I can still use the applications, but I can't update them on the app store because the updates are incompatible... As a result, some features become impossible to use if the updates are not applied (the "collaborate" feature, for example).
Hello,
Memory side:
Your current MacBook Pro has 8GB of RAM and cannot be upgraded because the choice is made at the time of purchase (thanks Apple for this non-upgradability!)
For your future Mac, we'll talk about it when the time comes because things can and will change by then. Between the time when everything could be changed by oneself in one's Mac (RAM, disk, graphics card,...) and today where everything is soldered onto the motherboard, so many unpredictable changes!
The worst part is that these changes are never in the interest of users:
- the Mac you buy is a Mac in its final configuration. Gone are the days when you would think, when ordering your new Mac, "Apple charges too much for the additional RAM option, I’ll buy RAM later when I need it and can afford it, and besides, the price will have gone down by then..."
- today, a Mac that has the slightest RAM, SSD, or graphics card issue, or ..., means you have to replace the motherboard!
On the 32 or 64-bit system side:
After forbidding any evolution of its Mac, Apple is now tackling the software side with the transition to Catalina.
Indeed, as Dédé (whom I greet in passing) told you, Catalina refuses to run any piece of code that is encoded in 32 bits. Note that with the Windows system, this is not the case as it has the tools to work with both 32-bit and 64-bit applications.
What are the consequences of this refusal of 32-bit for you?
Well, if the driver for an essential device in your daily life, like your printer, scanner, graphics tablet, etc., does not exist in a 64-bit version because the manufacturer did not want to dedicate time and thus money to it, then you will have to buy a new device
The same goes for applications in your daily life: you will have to update (either free or paid) or even switch to a different software as it may not exist in 64-bit version.
Think carefully before embarking on the Catalina adventure as it could quickly become a catastrophic adventure.
On the passage through Mojave:
It's a good idea to install this very recent version. It will spare you the 32-bit/64-bit problems.
But if you have never downloaded macOS Mojave via the Apple Store when Catalina did not yet exist, then I'm afraid you’re out of luck because Apple does not provide any direct download link for Mojave, unlike older systems whose .dmg file is still directly downloadable or available for purchase on DVD:
DVD OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (paid)
DVD OS X 10.7 Lion (paid)
DVD OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (paid)
OS X 10.11 El Capitan (direct free download)
OS X 10.12 Sierra (direct free download)
OS X 10.13 High Sierra (direct free download)
The only link pointing to Mojave is on this Apple page "Procedure for upgrading to macOS Mojave" and it redirects you to the App Store... hence the "maybe" that flourishes on this Apple page:
"If you have hardware or software that is not compatible with macOS Catalina, you may possibly be able to upgrade to macOS Mojave"
On the installation of Catalina:
This requires having space on the internal hard drive to download Catalina then decompress it before executing it. I would say roughly that 20GB free on your hard drive is a minimum to have.
Good thoughts on whether or not to transform your Mac into a more modern world
Ritchi
Memory side:
Your current MacBook Pro has 8GB of RAM and cannot be upgraded because the choice is made at the time of purchase (thanks Apple for this non-upgradability!)
For your future Mac, we'll talk about it when the time comes because things can and will change by then. Between the time when everything could be changed by oneself in one's Mac (RAM, disk, graphics card,...) and today where everything is soldered onto the motherboard, so many unpredictable changes!
The worst part is that these changes are never in the interest of users:
- the Mac you buy is a Mac in its final configuration. Gone are the days when you would think, when ordering your new Mac, "Apple charges too much for the additional RAM option, I’ll buy RAM later when I need it and can afford it, and besides, the price will have gone down by then..."
- today, a Mac that has the slightest RAM, SSD, or graphics card issue, or ..., means you have to replace the motherboard!
On the 32 or 64-bit system side:
After forbidding any evolution of its Mac, Apple is now tackling the software side with the transition to Catalina.
Indeed, as Dédé (whom I greet in passing) told you, Catalina refuses to run any piece of code that is encoded in 32 bits. Note that with the Windows system, this is not the case as it has the tools to work with both 32-bit and 64-bit applications.
What are the consequences of this refusal of 32-bit for you?
Well, if the driver for an essential device in your daily life, like your printer, scanner, graphics tablet, etc., does not exist in a 64-bit version because the manufacturer did not want to dedicate time and thus money to it, then you will have to buy a new device
The same goes for applications in your daily life: you will have to update (either free or paid) or even switch to a different software as it may not exist in 64-bit version.
Think carefully before embarking on the Catalina adventure as it could quickly become a catastrophic adventure.
On the passage through Mojave:
It's a good idea to install this very recent version. It will spare you the 32-bit/64-bit problems.
But if you have never downloaded macOS Mojave via the Apple Store when Catalina did not yet exist, then I'm afraid you’re out of luck because Apple does not provide any direct download link for Mojave, unlike older systems whose .dmg file is still directly downloadable or available for purchase on DVD:
DVD OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (paid)
DVD OS X 10.7 Lion (paid)
DVD OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (paid)
OS X 10.11 El Capitan (direct free download)
OS X 10.12 Sierra (direct free download)
OS X 10.13 High Sierra (direct free download)
The only link pointing to Mojave is on this Apple page "Procedure for upgrading to macOS Mojave" and it redirects you to the App Store... hence the "maybe" that flourishes on this Apple page:
"If you have hardware or software that is not compatible with macOS Catalina, you may possibly be able to upgrade to macOS Mojave"
On the installation of Catalina:
This requires having space on the internal hard drive to download Catalina then decompress it before executing it. I would say roughly that 20GB free on your hard drive is a minimum to have.
Good thoughts on whether or not to transform your Mac into a more modern world
Ritchi
Hello,
Thank you for clarifying things for me, I understand much better now. I hadn't fully grasped the impact of Catalina, but now that I understand, it seems quite bothersome! I see no point in downloading this update if there are so many drawbacks; without your explanations, I would have just downloaded it without understanding the consequences... as you rightly said, I don't want to embark on a disastrous adventure!
As for MacOS Mojave, it isn't accessible from the app store when searching for it; however, the link you provided allowed me to download it, and I hope it works.
Thank you for your response and have a great day!
Thank you for clarifying things for me, I understand much better now. I hadn't fully grasped the impact of Catalina, but now that I understand, it seems quite bothersome! I see no point in downloading this update if there are so many drawbacks; without your explanations, I would have just downloaded it without understanding the consequences... as you rightly said, I don't want to embark on a disastrous adventure!
As for MacOS Mojave, it isn't accessible from the app store when searching for it; however, the link you provided allowed me to download it, and I hope it works.
Thank you for your response and have a great day!
It seems that I have already tried several times to install macOS Catalina but without success, it never works... Do I need to install macOS Mojave before trying Catalina?