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Bonjour

Je suis en train de nettoyer une ancienne machine sous XP Pro et durant la phase de démarrage de XP apparait une fenêtre bleue clair (pas bsod !!) avec une vérification, chkdsk je pense...

Comment supprimer cette fenêtre et aussi pourquoi elle arrive à chaque démarrage

2 réponses

  1. Utilisateur anonyme
     
    Bonjour . Essayez de tester votre HDD via crystaldisk ---> http://www.google.fr/... afin de vérifier son état , me donner le rapport . Merci
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    1. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      il y a 2 disques
      le 80 Go qui est celui "utile" avec windows ==> correct
      le 40 Go ancien (pour récup de fichiers ??? )

      le rapport :
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      Crystal Dew World : https://crystalmark.info/en/
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      OS : Windows XP Professional SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)
      Date : 2014/10/15 14:29:49

      -- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
      + Contrôleur de stockage Ultra ATA Intel(R) 82801BA - 244B [ATA]
      + Canal IDE principal (0)
      - PHILIPS SPD2414T
      - MAXTOR STM380215A
      + Canal IDE secondaire (1)
      - LITE-ON LTR-48327S
      - MAXTOR 6L040J2

      -- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
      (1) MAXTOR STM380215A : 80,0 GB [0/0/0, pd1]
      (2) MAXTOR 6L040J2 : 40,0 GB [1/1/0, pd1]

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      (1) MAXTOR STM380215A
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      Model : MAXTOR STM380215A
      Firmware : 3.AAD
      Serial Number : 9QZ4AZK5
      Disk Size : 80,0 GB (8,4/80,0/80,0/80,0)
      Buffer Size : 2048 KB
      Queue Depth : 1
      # of Sectors : 156301488
      Rotation Rate : Inconnu
      Interface : Parallel ATA
      Major Version : ATA/ATAPI-7
      Minor Version : ----
      Transfer Mode : UDMA/100 | UDMA/100
      Power On Hours : 845 heures (?)
      Power On Count : 406 x
      Temperature : 46 C (114 F)
      Health Status : Correct
      Features : S.M.A.R.T., 48bit LBA
      APM Level : ----
      AAM Level : ----

      -- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
      ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
      01 120 _99 __6 0000001F854E Taux Erreur en Lecture
      03 _97 _97 __0 000000000000 Temps moyen mise en rotation
      04 100 100 _20 0000000001B4 Décompte des cycles de mise en rotation
      05 100 100 _36 000000000000 Nombre de secteurs réalloués
      07 _89 _60 _30 000036C1CCA2 Taux d'erreurs d'accès des têtes
      09 _43 _43 __0 00000000C61F Heures de Fonctionnement
      0A 100 100 _97 000000000000 Nombre d'essais de relancement de la rotation
      0C 100 100 _20 000000000196 Nombre total de cycles marche/arrêt du disque dur
      BB 100 100 __0 000000000000 Nombre d'erreurs qui n'ont pas pu être récupérés en utilisant le matériel ECC (voir C3)
      BD 100 100 __0 000000000000 Information réécrite ou réaffectés à une région sûre du disque dur
      BE _54 _47 _45 00002E13002E Température interne sur les disques Western Digital avec une valeur de l'attribut inférieure à 50
      C2 _46 _53 __0 00100000002E Température interne actuelle.
      C3 _81 _69 __0 00000D7A9A96 Temps entre les erreurs corrigées par code correcteur(codage basée sur la redondance)
      C5 100 100 __0 000000000000 Nombre de secteurs "instables"
      C6 100 100 __0 000000000000 Nombre total d'erreurs incorrigibles d'un secteur
      C7 200 200 __0 000000000000 Nombre d'erreurs dans le transfert de données via le câble d'interface
      C8 100 253 __0 000000000000 Nombre total d'erreurs à l'écriture d'un secteur
      CA 100 253 __0 000000000000 Erreur de marquage des données d'adresses

      -- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
      000: 0C5A 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
      010: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 3951 5A34 415A 4B35
      020: 0000 1000 0004 332E 4141 4420 2020 4D41 5854 4F52
      030: 2053 544D 3338 3032 3135 4120 2020 2020 2020 2020
      040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 0000 2F00
      050: 4000 0200 0200 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0110
      060: F8B0 0950 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 00F0 0078 0000
      070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      080: 00FE 0000 346B 7D01 4023 3469 3C01 4023 203F 0000
      090: 0000 FEFE FFFE 607B D000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      100: F8B0 0950 0000 0000 0000 0000 4000 0000 0000 0000
      110: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0100 0000 0002
      120: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0009 F8B0
      130: 0950 F8B0 0950 2020 0002 02B6 0000 008A 3C06 3C0A
      140: 0000 07C6 0100 0800 0F12 0500 0002 0080 0000 0000
      150: 00A0 0202 0000 0404 0000 0000 0000 0000 1B00 000B
      160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      220: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 5DA5

      -- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
      +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
      000: 0A 00 01 0F 00 78 63 4E 85 1F 00 00 00 00 03 03
      010: 00 61 61 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 64 64 B4
      020: 01 00 00 00 00 00 05 33 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
      030: 00 00 07 0F 00 59 3C A2 CC C1 36 00 00 00 09 32
      040: 00 2B 2B 1F C6 00 00 00 00 00 0A 13 00 64 64 00
      050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 32 00 64 64 96 01 00 00 00
      060: 00 00 BB 32 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 3A
      070: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BE 22 00 36 2F 2E
      080: 00 13 2E 00 00 00 C2 22 00 2E 35 2E 00 00 00 10
      090: 00 00 C3 1A 00 51 45 96 9A 7A 0D 00 00 00 C5 12
      0A0: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 10 00 64 64 00
      0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 3E 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00
      0C0: 00 00 C8 00 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 32
      0D0: 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 82 00 AE 01 00 5B
      170: 03 00 01 00 01 1B 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 03 03 03 03 03 03 03 03 00
      190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 08 FB 7B 02 00 00 00 00
      1A0: 00 00 E9 B0 99 33 B1 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1B0: 00 00 00 00 08 FB 7B 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1C0: 02 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 88 2D 41 4D 06 00
      1D0: 00 00 2B FC 55 03 00 00 00 00 EC 8B 00 00 00 00
      1E0: 73 1A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 A1

      -- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
      +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
      000: 0A 00 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00
      010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 14 00 00 00 00
      020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      030: 00 00 07 1E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00
      040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 61 00 00 00 00
      050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      060: 00 00 BB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 00
      070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BE 2D 00 00 00 00
      080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      090: 00 00 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 00
      0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00 00 00 00 00
      0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0C0: 00 00 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 00
      0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 26

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      (2) MAXTOR 6L040J2
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      Model : MAXTOR 6L040J2
      Firmware : A93.0500
      Serial Number : 362124624111
      Disk Size : 40,0 GB (8,4/40,0/----/40,0)
      Buffer Size : 1819 KB
      Queue Depth : 1
      # of Sectors : 78177792
      Rotation Rate : Inconnu
      Interface : Parallel ATA
      Major Version : ATA/ATAPI-5
      Minor Version : ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D version 1
      Transfer Mode : UDMA/33 | UDMA/133
      Power On Hours : 88687 heures
      Power On Count : 1139 x
      Temperature : 44 C (111 F)
      Health Status : Prudence
      Features : S.M.A.R.T., AAM
      APM Level : ----
      AAM Level : 80FEh [ON]

      -- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
      ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
      01 100 253 _20 000000000000 Taux Erreur en Lecture
      03 _80 _80 _20 0000000009FD Temps moyen mise en rotation
      04 _98 _98 __8 0000000005EC Décompte des cycles de mise en rotation
      05 100 100 _20 000000000001 Nombre de secteurs réalloués
      07 100 _39 _23 000000000000 Taux d'erreurs d'accès des têtes
      09 __1 __1 __1 000000015A6F Heures de Fonctionnement
      0A 100 100 __0 000000000000 Nombre d'essais de relancement de la rotation
      0B 100 _90 _20 000000000000 Nombre de recalibration
      0C _99 _99 __8 000000000473 Nombre total de cycles marche/arrêt du disque dur
      0D 100 100 _23 000000000000 Taux d'erreurs non corrigées
      C2 _83 _75 _42 00000000002C Température interne actuelle.
      C3 100 __5 __0 000002E15A12 Temps entre les erreurs corrigées par code correcteur(codage basée sur la redondance)
      C4 100 253 _20 000000000000 Nombre d'opérations de réallocation (remap)
      C5 100 100 _20 000000000001 Nombre de secteurs "instables"
      C6 100 253 __0 000000000000 Nombre total d'erreurs incorrigibles d'un secteur
      C7 191 191 __0 000000000009 Nombre d'erreurs dans le transfert de données via le câble d'interface

      -- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
      000: 045A 3FFF 0000 0010 7E00 5332 003F 0000 0000 5154
      010: 3336 3231 3234 3632 3431 3131 2020 2020 2020 2020
      020: 0003 0E37 0004 4139 332E 3035 3030 4D41 5854 4F52
      030: 2036 4C30 3430 4A32 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
      040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 0000 0F00
      050: 4000 0200 0200 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0110
      060: E600 04A8 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 0000
      070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      080: 003E 0015 346B 5B01 4003 3469 1A01 4003 047F 000A
      090: 0000 0000 FFFE 603B 80FE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      100: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      110: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      120: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0009 0000
      130: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      140: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      220: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
      250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 6BA5

      -- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
      +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
      000: 0B 00 01 29 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 27
      010: 00 50 50 FD 09 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 62 62 EC
      020: 05 00 00 00 00 00 05 33 00 64 64 01 00 00 00 00
      030: 00 00 07 0B 00 64 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 12
      040: 00 01 01 6F 5A 01 00 00 00 00 0A 26 00 64 64 00
      050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 13 00 64 5A 00 00 00 00 00
      060: 00 00 0C 32 00 63 63 73 04 00 00 00 00 00 0D 0B
      070: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 22 00 53 4B 2C
      080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C3 1A 00 64 05 12 5A E1 02 00
      090: 00 00 C4 10 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 32
      0A0: 00 64 64 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 10 00 64 FD 00
      0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 1A 00 BF BF 09 00 00 00 00
      0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 22 00 00 1B
      170: 03 00 01 00 02 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      190: 08 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 62 06 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 99 BD

      -- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
      +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
      000: 0B 00 01 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 14
      010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 08 00 00 00 00
      020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      030: 00 00 07 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 01
      040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00
      050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      060: 00 00 0C 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D 17
      070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 2A 00 00 00 00
      080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      090: 00 00 C4 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 14
      0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00 00 00 00 00
      0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 71 BD
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  2. Utilisateur anonyme
     
    O.K. , le 40GO en a un bon coup dans le nez , le message vient peut être de là , débranchez le pour ne laisser que le 80GO si possible pour voir si c'est pareil .
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    1. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      c'est un peu ce que je pensais faire après avoir vu le rapport
      j'attends la fin du défrag de C: pour tester et je reviens
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    2. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      O.K. , à de suite
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    3. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      bonne nouvelle, cet écran n'apparait plus, c'était donc bien ce disque
      dans la foulée puisque la bête était ouverte j'ai débranché un lecteur de cd qui ne marchait plus (même nappe)

      Restent encore 2 choses
      **l'arrêt est super long (sur écran fermeture de windows)
      **il semble y avoir une "stratégie de groupe" qui est présente (message super rapide au démarrage, pas pu tout lire) , et je me demande si c'est pas elle qui retarde la fermeture ???

      Par contre je n'ai rien vu dans les configurations, c'est où ??
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    4. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      Alors là , désolé, je ne sais pas pour XP , mes petites connaissances s'arrêtent ici . Cdlt
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    5. Utilisateur anonyme
       
      comme moi ................
      je clos cette question et j'en pose une nouvelle concernant la stratégie
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