Échec du disque fixe 0

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Hello,

I have a small problem starting my PC from time to time ERROR 0200:Failure Fixed Disk 0

The disk has been tested and works very well on another PC

This might be due to an IDE connection issue between the motherboard and the disk, the motherboard is only 4 months old, I bought it online from brakstar

Has anyone had the same problem?

I found this on another site, could the issue be related? https://www.clubic.com/forum/t/probleme-disque-dur-sur-port-ide/281066

Thank you

Configuration: Windows Vista Internet Explorer 7.0

liillloooouuuuu · Accepted Answer

Thank you for your reply,
I just logged in, I haven't had much time lately,
I will do that for the memory sticks, thanks for the information,
during a crash I was able to gather more information: my motherboard is a Phoenix

here's what shows up on the screen:

Phoenix Trusted Core (tm) NB
Copyright 1985-2005 Phoenix
Technologies Ltd
All rights Reserved
System BIOS version V3.13
VGA BIOS version ATI UMA V008.050.017.000.18675
CPU Type AMD Turion (tm) 64x2 Mobile Technology TL-50
640K System RAM Passed
1750M Extended RAM Passed
512KB L2 Cache
System BIOS shadowed
Video BIOS shadowed
Fixed Disk 0: SAMSUNGHM1v0HC' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' (there are these kinds of apostrophes)
Mouse initialized
ERROR
0200
Press F1 to resume, F2 to setup

there's the screen, maybe this can help you, for my part it doesn't really make sense to me, pressing F1 doesn't solve the issue
Thank you

Nyctaclope · Answer

Hello!

Open your PC and unplug and replug the IDE cable several times on the drive side and on the motherboard side.
The contacts may have gotten dirty or oxidized.
I've encountered this problem several times on an old tower PC, and it always worked.
If necessary, replace your IDE cable.
It's true that we always wonder if the drive is about to fail...
Still, make sure to back up your data, just in case...

See you later!

Nyctaclope

PS: is your hard drive the only one on the cable, or is there another disk or CD drive connected in parallel?

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Thank you very much for your response, it's nice to hear.

It's a laptop, I'll see if I can open it, but I don't want to mess things up, I'm not really a pro. The disk has been removed several times to test it, so I need to open everything to disconnect it from the other side.

I'm not quite sure what a ribbon cable looks like, I'll check online.

Thank you.

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

When you open the small hatch under the PC, the disk can be unplugged; it is alone.

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re
OK, I was thinking about a desktop PC, and it was possible that the problem comes from the second disk possibly mounted in parallel.
On a laptop, you only have one disk (lack of space!).
The IDE ribbon is a wide, flat cable (about forty conductors) with a large rectangular connector at the end.
But in your case, you probably have a SATA disk, which is a cable about 5 mm in diameter, with a rectangular connector at the end that is slightly larger than a USB connector.
Just fiddle with the connector on the disk side, and avoid touching the motherboard unless the other end of the SATA cable is easily identifiable and accessible.

Although your disk "works well elsewhere" (it would need to be tested on several startups to be sure), I would still take advantage of a successful startup to have it checked under Vista (or another OS if you connect here from another machine (your configuration mentioned in the initial post)).
You might have unreadable sectors on the disk.

In Windows Explorer, right-click on your disk, select properties...
In the "Tools" tab, request "check now"...
check both options, then click "start"
this may take some time...
It's possible that you'll be told a restart is necessary to perform the test at startup.
If you get a report on the screen, try to see if Windows indicates whether it found any errors.

Auxiliary question:
When your PC crashes on startup, do you hear beeps? If so, note their number and whether they are short or long beeps...

A+

Nyctaclope

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Good evening,

Thank you very much for all the details, I will see if I can fiddle a bit with the socket.

Indeed, the SATA disk was removed and tested on another machine (a tower), and another disk was also tried with the same problem.

I am connecting here with the PC that has the problem because generally after 3 or 4 attempts the computer starts. Indeed, right after turning it on the screen lights up and "loads". There is a blue loading bar before reaching the end (almost at the end) and we hear some beeps; I will try to note them and I will leave a message.

Otherwise, I have a question regarding the disk check: if it asks me to restart and it crashes at that point, could it cause problems later on?

I would like to point out that this issue appeared after it crashed once while running (blue screen and small vertical white bars) but the PC is completely usable and works very well; the problem is that it’s a bit annoying when I turn it on, and I don’t want it to crash for good one of these days.

Thank you for all your responses.

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

The computer started normally this morning,  when there are problems, there are 3 short beeps.

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re

Regarding disk control, and in case of a crash on restart, there are no worries, as the check will occur on the next correct startup: the check cannot always take place while Windows is active, because some files are locked, and Windows "notes" to perform this check before restarting next time.

The issue here is to know exactly when the crash occurs: during the BIOS loading before Windows starts, or at the beginning or during the loading of Windows.

Typically, the "disk fail" message, usually accompanied by an additional message like "press F1 ...", is a BIOS message. The number and length of beeps should be interpreted according to the brand and version of the BIOS. You need to consult your motherboard documentation for its meaning. Depending on the case, it could be related to the keyboard, the graphics card, or a component on the motherboard, or something else... This is important if your board is still under warranty.
However, the "disk fail" message logically indicates that the beeps should refer to the hard drive or the disk controller component on the board (and in this case, it's definitely the board that is at fault).

When the crash occurs during Windows startup, the crash is often silent (at least with XP), and it's often a problem with a corrupt boot sector on the drive or damaged files.
However, I don't know what the usual reaction of Vista is in this case, and whether it emits beeps...

In conclusion:

1// identify the exact moment of the crash, by referencing the logo that appears, or the initial Windows loading screen...
2// consult your board's documentation for beep interpretation...
3// a disk check by Vista shouldn't hurt and could resolve issues if it is indeed the drive itself.
4// if it is the controller (according to the beeps):
- either a physical problem: contact customer service under warranty
- or perhaps consider a BIOS update, if it is not up to date: not easy to know, unless visiting the manufacturer's website, or at:
https://www.touslesdrivers.com/
or:
https://www.driverscloud.com/
But flashing the BIOS is a difficult and risky adventure...

Hoping to have clarified things for you...

A+

Nyctaclope

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Thank you for all your answers,

First, I will check the disk and see if there are any errors,

Regarding the crash, I can tell you right away that it happens just after I turn on the computer, the white screen with ACER written on it appears, at the bottom there is a blue loading bar indicating progress and the beeps occur before the bar reaches the end

Indeed, when the beeps occur, a black screen displays with an error message and it is possible to press F1 "to resume" (I seem to remember that it is F1, today my computer did not crash at startup) F1 "to resume" but nothing happens (black screen and a small white blinking dash at the top) as well as another key to enter the BIOS, I think it's F3.

I will try to see if I have the motherboard manual to identify the beeps

I know that the BIOS was updated when the motherboard was changed three months ago. I bought it online from brakstar and nothing was specified regarding the warranty... and a friend of mine did the disassembly and reassembly of the board.

In any case, thank you very much

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

no errors when checking the disk,  the computer has been turned on and off several times today without any issues, to be continued...

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re  There isn't always a report for disk control.. Does it still work?? And for the beeps??  A+  Nyctaclope

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Good evening,

during the disk check, there were no errors

the computer just crashed once this evening (no problems since Friday) and restarted after 2 attempts, options F1 and F2, F2 to enter the BIOS

however, I didn't find any manual for the motherboard, I will dig on the internet with the reference

thank you

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re

Enter your setup by pressing F2 on startup ..
- read your BIOS brand and version (often at the top of the screen)
- take a look and make sure your RAM and hard drive are properly recognized
in practice, it's in the "Standard Setup" section or similar ...
- in the "IDE Controller" section (or similar), check if you have an available option "compatibility (SATA)"
It's not necessary for Vista, but may be necessary for XP (depending on the update SPs), which poorly recognizes the native SATA protocol of the controller. Don't change anything, just take a look ..
And exit by "EXIT" without saving changes if you made a mistake.
Generally: Enter to go into a menu or submenu, Escape to exit and go back up.
In principle, you have the information at the bottom of the screen ...

Armed with your BIOS brand, date, and version, take a look here to interpret the beeps:
This guide is excellent:
http://www.depannetonpc.net/fiches-pratiques/lire_32_1_bips-au-demarrage.html
There's also something on CCM (I forgot the reference, do a search on "Startup Beeps").
PS:
https://www.commentcamarche.net/faq/7428-bips-du-bios-et-codes-d-erreurs-les-plus-frequents

A+

Nyctaclope

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Here is what I found in the BIOS

system bis version v3.13
VGA bios version ATI UMA V008.050.017.000.18675

CPU Type AMD Turion
CPU Speed 1600Mhz
HDD Model name SAMSUNGHM160HC
ATAPI Model name MATSHITADVD

Boot priority order:
1:IDE 0: SAMSUNG
2:IDE &: MATSHITADVD
3:USB HDD
4: USB CDROM
5: USB FDD
6:USB KEY
7: SATA
8: PCI BEV: Realtek boot agent

I didn't see standard setup, I think it was boot

As for the links you sent me, thank you,
it could well be related to the memory
3 short memory test read/write error Memory module(s) not properly inserted or faulty.
And I indeed had a memory error message after which we started having crashes
But then why do I have the hard drive error on startup?
ERROR 0200: Failure Fixed Disk 0 SAMSUNG.....

Anyway, thank you for all your responses and your help.

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re  Bios: the version of the Bios indicated here is actually that of the Bios managing the integrated graphics card, not that of the motherboard bios. It is probably from ACER if the motherboard has been updated with ACER settings. But it will still be an AMI, Award, or Phoenix origin, created for Acer. You can actually obtain the information more easily (I had forgotten this possibility): This is for XP, for Vista it should be similar... => Start/all programs/accessories/system tools/system information/system summary   Error: it is indeed probably a memory error. Carefully try to take out and reinsert the memory sticks, wiping the contacts... Be careful of static electricity, ground yourself before touching... I don't have any references on hand, but I believe we can find software on the net to test the memory...  There is apparently no relation to the disk error (see further), unless perhaps the memory error prevents loading the disk settings correctly (??).  Disk Error: In the Boot priority section, I see that you have a recent and high-performance card, allowing for booting from a USB stick or disk, which is still quite rare and sought after!... Regarding this, I am intrigued by option 7: the possibility to boot from SATA. Your disk is apparently connected to an IDE port (IDE0) (and your DVD to IDE1) on the motherboard, while there might be a SATA connector (maybe better suited if your disk is indeed SATA?). On my desktop PC, I indeed have a lot of disk connectors, both IDE and SATA, and I have connections on both (three disks, including one IDE).  Check your card and try to find that SATA connector, and see if your disk's ribbon could connect to it. If I were you, I would then make the attempt. The only risk is not starting up. You just need to restore things as they were, because with recent Bios, disk recognition is automatic. If it works, then set the boot priority to SATA... remembering to save the changes. But it might be better to call your assembler, as I am not knowledgeable about the difference between IDE/SATA (actually, I believe it's more or less the same family)... Maybe also try to obtain a diagram and manual for your card, you will always need it.  A+  Nyctaclope

liillloooouuuuu · Answer

Good evening,

thank you for this very complete response, my computer is an Acer Aspire 5100,
it's nice to know there's something performant in this computer!

I initially went to system information
bios version/date: Acer V3.13, 22/08/2008
SIMBIOS version: 2.4
I took the opportunity to check the "Memory" tab and everything is OK
but also in "components" -> "problem devices" -> nothing is listed (empty)
however, I can't find the motherboard, if you could tell me which tab I can find the references, I've looked everywhere but I haven't seen anything

I will open the computer tomorrow to see how to handle the memory sticks, how should I ground myself before touching? It would be too silly to make a wrong move :-( I haven't opened the computer often, just for cleaning the fan to avoid overheating :-(

Regarding the disk, I thought it was SATA, but since I checked in system information: SAMSUNG HM160HC ATA Device, ATA is IDE, from what I've found online the difference is in the connection mode to the motherboard... so it's dead for connecting to the SATA connector on the motherboard

I've searched in the documentation that came with the computer and nothing about the motherboard, I will look online with the references I got.

Let me know how to ground myself for the memory stick handling and I'll check it tomorrow

thank you for your help

Nyctaclope · Answer

Re

For the motherboard reference, I couldn't find it either in system info
You should be able to find it at www.ma-config.com

"Grounding":
Before touching the components, touch a large metal object, preferably connected to the ground (sink faucet, central heating radiator - unpainted part -)
In the past, I used to have a copper wire in my mouth connected to the radiator, but that was frankly ridiculous!!!
Make sure to avoid overlapping clothing that creates static electricity: like a wool jacket over a sweater or over a nylon shirt... Especially in a very dry atmosphere...

But no worries, it’s not like defusing a bomb!
Try to hold the boards by the corners of the support, without touching the components. Or use a small cloth or paper towel to hold them.

Don't forget to turn off the power supply to your PC first (I would even go so far as to remove the battery).

For the memory sticks, they are often locked at both ends by a small latch at the base.
To remove them, you need to flip the latch. If there's a space issue, start by flipping the right one...

Later

Nyctaclope

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