HDMI 2.0 to HDMI 1.3 connection?

hlaurence95 Posted messages 8 Status Member -  
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Hello everyone,

I just purchased a Samsung HT-J5550W Home Cinema 5.1 CH Blu Ray (1000W),
great equipment, I'm happy. However, I have a big issue; I want to connect it to my TV which
is a PLASMA screen, purchased in September 2006 (Model: PS - 42E71H).

Apparently, the HDMI connectors of each device are not the same.
-- Home cinema connector HDMI 2.0 ARC (most likely),
-- Plasma connector (possibly) HDMI 1.3 or 1.4

According to Samsung, whom I called, the devices are incompatible given the HDMI.
I read online that there are converters to adapt a device with the new standards
HDMI 2.0 to older devices still functioning with HDMI 1.3 or 1.4

Can anyone advise me on this, and tell me if I can find this kind of equipment, where to find it and under
what name, if there is a reference I'm interested.

Currently, my connection gives me a completely distorted screen, I have sound but nothing else.

Thank you for your feedback,
Best regards,
.

8 answers

  1. Andy31200 Posted messages 26918 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 203
     
    Hello and welcome to the forum,
    I’m afraid you will need to change your TV in order to fully enjoy your home theater, and this TV must have HDMI ARC and a Digital Optical output, as sometimes the ARC function can be tricky to set up.

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         *in French in the text
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  2. hlaurence95 Posted messages 8 Status Member
     
    Good evening, Andy31200,

    It's really a radical solution! There must be a possible compromise, my plasma still works very well. I can't put it in a corner (107cm diagonal)! Thank you for your response, I hope to receive other ideas.
    Best regards.
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  3. Andy31200 Posted messages 26918 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 203
     
    But you're welcome, and I'm getting back to you because I found this for you:
    https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00755DBCW/ref=asc_df_B00755DBCW50760207/?tag=googshopfr-21&creative=22686&creativeASIN=B00755DBCW&linkCode=df0&hvdev=c&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=
    But make sure to read the reviews because I’m afraid it might be complicated to configure..
    There’s also this:
    https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B016ZY2FZ2/ref=asc_df_B016ZY2FZ250760207/?tag=googshopfr-21&creative=22686&creativeASIN=B016ZY2FZ2&linkCode=df0&hvdev=c&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=
    But it costs an arm and a leg...;-(

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    *in French in the text
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  4. hlaurence95 Posted messages 8 Status Member
     
    Good evening Andy 31500,

    Thank you for the links you sent me, I checked them out and unfortunately nothing tells me
    that it could be compatible. And as you said, the second one costs an arm and a leg!

    You seem to know a bit about this, so I have another question to ask: If I replace my HDMI cable with
    an HDMI cable that ends with 3 RCA RGB Audio Video or a 1080P Composite HDMI to RCA
    Audio Video adapter, I might lose a bit of quality, but I might be able to benefit from my
    Home Theater system? We'll see???

    Thank you in advance for the feedback,

    Best regards,
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  5. Andy31200 Posted messages 26918 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 203
     
    Hello,
    "a HDMI cable that ends with 3 RCA RGB Audio Video"
    No, these cables are useless because HDMI = digital signal and RCA = analog signal
    "Or 1080P Composite HDMI to RCA adapter"
    Yes, but a bit of technical detail:
    Composite = a single video signal
    Component = three signals green, blue, and red, better quality (YUV or YPbPr or RGB)
    but:
    Disadvantage: you lose the digital quality of the signal
    Advantage: simpler, no configuration needed.
    And I found this for you:
    https://www.banggood.com/fr/SD-020-1080P-HDMI-to-RGB-Component-5RCA-YPbPr-Video-RL-Audio-Converter-Adapter-TV-PC-p-1174112.html?gmcCountry=FR&currency=EUR&createTmp=1&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_elc&utm_content=zouzou&utm_campaign=pla-fr-elc2-brand-pc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjvnNgN7o2QIVSLHtCh3BXAL5EAQYBCABEgK7OfD_BwE&ID=43101&cur_warehouse=CN
    And of course, we really don't care about the audio output,
    Buy a component RCA cable
    I call a spade a spade *
    *in French in the text
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  6. hlaurence95 Posted messages 8 Status Member
     
    Good evening Andy 31200,

    I'm reaching out to you tonight because you are the only one who answered my questions. I have tried several solutions, including the last one mentioned above: HDMI 4K to Component + RCA Audio adapter/converter. I managed to get the menu of my Home Theater and the configuration on my TV screen. I was able to access the different services offered by the device: internet connection, access to YouTube, and others (Amplifier connected to my internet box). I put in the DVD Jurassic Park to see what would happen. I encountered two problems: 1/ I had the picture and the sound was distributed through my speakers, but I couldn't hear the dialogues. The music and background noises were fine, but the dialogues were muffled, even inaudible. I added 1 RCA Audio between the amplifier and my plasma, but it didn't make any difference. We could hear the music, the dinosaurs, all the sound effects, but as soon as the characters started talking, we couldn't hear them. However, if they screamed, their screams were perceived as if they were coming from far away, and there we could hear them very well from the rear speakers. Nothing from the central speaker. So I wanted to try something else. I have the Freebox Révolution; I don't know if you know it, but it has a Blu-ray/DVD player. It is HDMI. It has an optical output at the back which I connected to the amplifier. I put in the DVD and connected the sound from the amplifier. The picture was great, and the sound came out through the Home Cinema speakers. I even had the TV sound on the Home through the optical cable. One problem solved. I still had the Home Cinema menu displayed on my plasma.
    2/ Then, after 2 hours and 30 minutes, NOTHING!!! Blue screen with "UNSUPPORTED MODE" displayed.
    So now I don't understand anything, for more than 2 hours I was able to do tests, watch videos on YouTube, watch the beginning of Jurassic Park, and all of a sudden, nothing. No more menu.

    --- Do you have any idea what could be going on? I am very perplexed. Can the amplifier be programmed to only work with a certain type of equipment? (same era, same technology) because right now, I feel like I was driving a Ferrari at 250 km/h and now that I've tasted it, I'm restricted and can't exceed 50 km/h; and even then, I still can't get started!!! (Access to the Home menu on the screen IMPOSSIBLE)

    --- Why can't I hear the dialogues on my speakers? 5.1 sound, music, and sound effects are perfect, but the dialogues are inaudible. Nothing comes out of the front center speaker.

    So that's my situation, I'm a bit stuck here. I think I've tried everything; the worst part is that each time I tried new equipment, the menu displayed on my screen, and after a while, nothing. Unsupported mode. Why was it supported for over 2 hours and then nothing? I would like to understand.....

    Thank you for reading, I hope I'm not monopolizing too much of your time, you have given good advice, but above all, you have been the only one to respond to my posts.
    Given the time, good night.

    Best regards,
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  7. STARGATE43 Posted messages 13754 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   2 648
     
    Good evening,

    I'm here to vent about those so-called technicians at Samsung; they don't even know their own devices!!!!!!!!!!!! It disgusts me to see people like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To hlaurence95,

    Your home theater doesn't have HDMI 2.0 at all but rather 1.4, which is perfectly compatible with your plasma TV that would be at worst HDMI 1.3.

    Source 1: https://www.homecine-compare.com/ensemble-home-cinema-SAMHTJ5550W-SAMSUNG-HT-J5550W.htm → paragraph titled "Connection of the SAMSUNG HT-J5550W home theater system"

    For your information, the 1.4 standard includes the ARC (Audio Return Channel) feature as well as 4K, but this home theater is not equipped with 4K.

    It's HDMI 1.4 just to allow the integration of ARC.

    CLICK→https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definition_Multimedia_Interface#HDMI_1.4

    I'm not saying everything on Wikipedia is gospel, but it wasn't written by idiots ;-)

    I checked the Samsung.fr website, and there are no specifications regarding the HDMI standard integrated into this device; it makes you wonder if they even know these standards???

    It's been a while since I downloaded the PDF manual for this device from the Samsung website, and even in the manual, the HDMI standard used on this system is not specified.

    Considering all this, I wonder if it's not an issue with settings on the TV and home theater.

    Your TV does not support 1080P resolution; it only takes 720P and 1080i, and 1080i is equivalent to 720P, so my question is:

    Is the resolution of your home theater set according to the capabilities of your TV???

    I think that by default (factory setting), the home theater is set to 1080P, which would result in an average quality image on the TV since it doesn't support that resolution.

    So you would need to check the output resolution of the home theater and set it to 1080i to match that of the TV.

    And use a completely standard HDMI cable, either 1.3 or 1.4, but preferably 1.4 given the version used on the home theater; the 1.4 standard won't interfere with the TV.

    There you go, I hope this little contribution can lead to good news for the next events ;-)

    But what a bunch of incompetents at Samsung, "Incompatible devices due to the HDMI," that one really makes me laugh ;-)

    Best regards, have a good evening and a great weekend ;-)

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  8. ziggourat Posted messages 24643 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   5 340
     
    Hello,

    Just a few little thoughts from me...

    The PS42E71H television was released in March 2006: https://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-SAMPS42E71H-SAMSUNG-PS42E71H.htm
    At that time, the existing HDMI standard was only HDMI 1.2a according to Wikipedia, but perhaps the TV was designed for HDMI 1.3: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definition_Multimedia_Interface#HDMI_1.2a
    The Home Theater, on the other hand, has the HDMI 1.4 standard: https://homecinemasansfil.com/samsung-ht-j5550w-avis/

    Thus, the plasma cannot have the minimum HDMI 1.4 connectivity required to benefit from HDMI ARC.

    Regarding the audio and the "inaudible" voices, have you tried it in 2.1 instead of 5.1?
    Because, even though I'm not a specialist, it seems to me that the TV's audio is only in simple stereo by default.
    However, the SRS Tru Surround XT should, in principle, allow you to enjoy all audio channels through just 2 speakers, see HERE, and thus should enable you to hear both the voices and the other ambient sounds. Perhaps there is a setting to be adjusted to benefit from it?

    As for your new issue with the Freebox Revolution, since I don't own it, I can't comment.

    That's it. Andy31200 knows much more, so he is the best person to assist you.

    Best regards
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    1. STARGATE43 Posted messages 13754 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   2 648
       
      Hello ziggurat,

      You may be right regarding HDMI standards ;-)

      Although, it's hard to say whether this TV model has preemptively integrated HDMI 1.3 (released in June 2006) or if the manufacturer left it with HDMI 1.2a (released in December 2005), that’s the question ;-)

      The TV falls between these two dates, and only Samsung could provide exact information, but given their competence…

      It’s easier to say it’s incompatible so that people buy new ones, just to keep the business running ;-)

      As for the inaudible sound, I’d like to remind you that when watching a movie through a home theater system, the movie's sound goes through the home and not the TV, so I don’t see what the TV's stereo audio has to do with it.

      The TV only transmits the image produced by the home theater, while the sound is played through the five speakers of the home theater → the TV's stereo sound is completely out of the question.

      Best regards, have a good weekend and good luck with everything ;-)
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      1. ziggourat Posted messages 24643 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   5 340 > STARGATE43 Posted messages 13754 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
         
        Hi,
        You're right, the TV is only for the picture.
        But if the Plasma PS42E71H does not have at least an HDMI 1.4 ARC connection, the Home Cinema and the TV will not be compatible to transmit both video and audio through the same cable if I understand correctly.
        Source: https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/son-audio-amplificateurs-integres-homecinema/hdmi-video-et-audio-t29945590.html
        So back to the initial request... I'm just going to continue following the topic to learn ;-)
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    2. STARGATE43 Posted messages 13754 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   2 648
       
      No need for HDMI ARC at all; in fact, ARC is just an additional feature to the 1.4 standard.

      My Sony KDL-40BX400 TV, released in February 2010, is HDMI 1.4 but doesn't have HDMI ARC.

      I’m sure that with an HDMI 1.4 cable and the right settings on both the TV and the home theater, everything can work perfectly ;-)

      As mentioned earlier, set the TV to 1080i, set the home theater to 1080i, use a HDMI 1.4 cable, and it will be fine; hlaurence95 just needs to read my answers and apply what I’ve written; it won’t cost anything to try ;-)

      The ball is in his court, as they say ;-)

      Best regards, and I look forward to hearing from you ;-)
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      1. Dadouk5 Posted messages 3 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   > STARGATE43 Posted messages 13754 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention  
         

        Indeed, HDMI ARC is not a requirement. It is entirely possible to make a standard HDMI connection and send the audio via an optical cable or RCA for older TVs, as explained at the bottom of this article here.

         
         

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