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 jns55 -
Hello,
All those who use Windows XP with satisfaction - and have not followed the frantic race for the latest novelty - will understand me.
After being abandoned by Microsoft, are they now supposed to be banned from using certain sites?
It's LBC that has opened the ball!
Even with SP3, it orders all users "to update"!
Which means: switch to a newer version of Windows = a process equivalent to planned obsolescence. Otherwise: exclusion from our services starting from 01.06.2016.
When you use this site daily, it is enough to make you angry.
I even opened an account with them.
Used to resisting all those who want you to consume beyond what you've decided, I'm looking for a solution quickly.
I think consumer associations will come down on them, and I wonder if there are already characterized offenses in this initiative: how do they know which operating system we are using? How could they justify having a negative repercussion?
It seems there are interests between LBC and the software company in question....
Meanwhile, how can we circumvent the problem?
I thought of software that would act as an interface by masking LBC's ability to know my operating system: does this already exist?
Do you have any other ideas?
Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Configuration: Windows XP / Firefox 46.0

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Caribou-22 Posted messages 512 Status Member 114
 
Hello,
If you are not satisfied with Microsoft and its planned obsolescence policy, why not switch to Linux? :)
http://gardetonpc.handylinux.org/

Instead of complaining, we can boycott Microsoft and contribute to free software. Personally, that's what I've done and I have no regrets.

The only thing Microsoft invented that didn't crash was a nail.
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semper
 
Hello,
Just a quick question, isn't it simply the browser that is not up to date?
You can no longer update IE on XP. In my opinion, that's all it is; you just need to change your browser or update it.
I've never seen a site worry about the user's OS.
To say that Le Bon Coin has direct connections with Microsoft is a stretch!!!!
Microsoft probably doesn't even know that Le Bon Coin exists, plus there are other much more significant companies that would have implemented this system before.
Best regards
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GENIA
 
Incredible but true!
LBC allows this type of abuse, and if W XP becomes unstable or poorly protected, it's my problem, not theirs!
My Mozilla browser software is automatically updated regarding CCM messages.
Sorry, but I see no advantage for LBC in acting this way, and I only see one real beneficiary in this maneuver.
You are quite naive not to believe that there are little secret arrangements between friends!
In any case, I will not let myself be manipulated like that, and I will find a solution: no one will force me to change my WXP!
As soon as I have a good plan, I will share it.

PS I just saw somewhere that "Ubuntu" is going to be integrated into W 10: where is the freedom of choice?
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Caribou-22 Posted messages 512 Status Member 114
 
I left Microsoft three years ago and I've been doing very well since. Why don't you do the same instead of keeping your XP, which is probably a security sieve?

(Not necessarily Ubuntu, though. I recommend Handy Linux, which is completely independent and suitable for beginners.)
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 

PS I just saw somewhere that "Ubuntu" will be integrated into W 10: where is the freedom of choice?


It's more complicated than that. Ubuntu will not be integrated. It’s the Linux text terminal that will be partially integrated into Windows 10. And it won't change anything for the average user.


However, I maintain that it would have been interesting to have the exact message from Le Bon Coin regarding this forced migration.

Is your Firefox up to date? What is its version (the menu with the question mark / about Firefox)?
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madmyke Posted messages 52304 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 483
 
"The targets of this Microsoft maneuver would primarily be developers who tend to favor the flexibility and openness of Linux."

In a broad sense, to mix everything up perhaps? Or to only read the headlines?
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madmyke Posted messages 52304 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   12 483
 
I would like to add that my wife regularly sells on LBC and that her computer is running XP.
For now, nothing to report, so an additional doubt.
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Caribou-22 Posted messages 512 Status Member 114
 
In any case, I will not let myself be manipulated like that, and I will find the solution: no one will force me to change my WXP!
As soon as I have a good plan, I will share it.


The solution already exists. If you want to be free, you need to switch to a free OS :)
Everything you're going through, you agreed to by accepting Microsoft's terms of service.
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semper
 
Hello,
I take back what I said, I just tried with a Windows XP VM and Firefox
Indeed, it warns that XP will no longer be supported from June 1st.
The solution is simple: switch to Linux. I've been using it for quite some time and I'm more than satisfied.
However, you need to dedicate some time to adapt.
I started with Linux Mint, which I think is well-suited for beginners, but everyone has their own opinion on that.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
What is the exact message?

On the other hand, even though switching to Linux can be a (good) solution (resolving security vulnerabilities, no more worries about viruses and the like). For Le Bon Coin, changing the user agent should be sufficient.
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^Abel^ Posted messages 15278 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 926 > Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention  
 
+ 1...
Indeed... Can we have a copy of this message?
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jns55
 
Hello,
It should be understood that XP has not been updated since 2014, that it has become a real sieve, almost an easy access point for hackers to PCs equipped with it. Why not demand that the site also works with PCs running Windows 3.11 while we're at it?
If we are not satisfied with how Le Bon Coin operates, it's simple, we don't use it!

I understand the desire to continue using a PC to which one is attached, and there are solutions to have an up-to-date OS without spending a dime.

It's like complaining about not being allowed to drive my old 4L in the city in Germany!
On one hand, I'm not obligated to go to Germany, on the other hand, if I don't have the right colored sticker on my windshield, I'm not allowed to drive, that's the law and it's normal, and I'm not going to complain about it (besides, I wouldn't be well received).
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Anonymous user
 
it's become a real sieve, an almost keyless entry for hackers
that's what they say to scare people!! but personally, I'm writing this message with a 15-year-old XP without having had any problems since 2014
If we're not satisfied with the way Le Bon Coin operates, it's simple: we don't use it
that's true too, it's not the only one in this market, the others having fewer scamming Africans as well.
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jns55 > Anonymous user
 
That you continue to use XP is your problem; the day you realize there is an issue, you will know who to blame since you are doing it knowingly. Personally, I don't mess with XP or with Windows in general, but that's my choice.

What I mean is that the site offers a service with technical constraints; either you comply with them or you look elsewhere, but you don't accuse some sort of conspiracy.
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Anonymous user > jns55
 
I am not crying conspiracy
the XP is not my only and unique machine .......................

And I am eagerly waiting for June to see what will happen!!!!
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jns55 > Anonymous user
 
"I am not crying conspiracy"
Of course not, you are not the one who started this topic. Reread the initial post.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215 > jns55
 
What I mean is that the site offers a service with technical constraints.

I don't see what technical constraints there could be. A Firefox 46 will do exactly the same thing, whether on XP, Seven, Ten, or Xubuntu.

So I don't see how my OS has any relevance to leboncoin as long as I am using a browser compatible with their site.
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kate_46 Posted messages 1 Status Member 2
 
Hello,
Personally, I will boycott the site leboncoin and in the medium term another site will take its place, too bad for them!! It's unacceptable to force us to change operating systems and therefore necessarily PCs (limited resources to support the latest versions of Windows).
Do they have any interest in this??
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biggyjobo Posted messages 62 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   15
 
Hello everyone,

Uh, I don't really appreciate the sheep thing.
I've made the best deals possible on Le Bon Coin at certain times; I can even say that Le Bon Coin has kept me from being homeless.
You know, the house that I now own, I found it on Le Bon Coin: without going through a bank loan, without a real estate agency, and under a legal form that protects me from all inflation until the end of my payments.
Le Bon Coin is about habit and knowledge of the practices you can find there (the best as well as the worst).

Could I know how a user on Windows 7, 8, or 10 is more "bankable" than a user on XP in relation to Le Bon Coin?

Anyway, Le Bon Coin has never ripped me off, and it’s rather some rejections of ads that have sometimes annoyed me more than anything else.

How curious this behavior is, seeking every possible means to use a service while simultaneously trying to dismantle it.

To continue surfing on this site you loved so much, get yourself a quality and affordable tablet; it will be much less costly than a procedure with no possible outcome.
There are plenty of them... on Le Bon Coin : )

The topic started with an interesting question, but it turned into a pseudo post-revolutionary victimization frenzy.
When courtesy leaves, it often goes accompanied by good faith.

No hard feelings.
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TheBledard Posted messages 5234 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   1 476
 
Hello,

Lol, no one had ever done that to me before.
It costs too much to maintain an OS for too long, especially since the recent OS versions are much more advanced than XP now.
The lack of maintenance leads to security issues. That's why some sites refuse to accept versions of the OS that are too old.

Conflicts of interest... Haha, don't go looking for problems where there aren't any, NO LBC IS NOT PAID BY MICROSOFT TO DISPLAY SUCH A MESSAGE.

Besides, I don't even think LBC sent this message... It's a third party pretending to be LBC, otherwise, there needs to be proof...

--
TheBledard
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GENIA
 
Seen on another forum: Following a dispute sent to LBC: they replied: you have SP2 so you are not up to date. However, those who have SP3, like me, are facing the same threat!
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
This module for Firefox allows you to change the user agent:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/

The user agent is what tells websites which OS and browser is being used.

--
Light a fire for someone and they’ll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life. -Terry Pratchett-
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GENIA
 
Oh wow! Here's an interesting lead!!!!
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215 > GENIA
 
Make some attempts, but from my memory, you need to have up-to-date user agents to get the job done. Keep us posted on what you can achieve while I find the list of updated user agents.
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Anonymous user
 
a list at https://techpatterns.com/forums/about304.html
not very up to date
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GENIA
 
Well, I have downloaded the Firefox add-on (which must be up to date) using the link you provided.
But it's a weird thing with no options to fill out (so I can't input the OS!) and no icon in the taskbar to access it later.
I don't understand anything about how this works.
Unless the American is waiting for his $3 to provide the rest.
If that's the case, I would be willing to send him a few cents, but I would still like to know beforehand if this is really what I need or if I'm going to have to immediately throw everything in the trash...
Thank you for your advice.
Best regards.
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Anonymous user > GENIA
 
Hello

Personally, I tried the "useragent" module with Seamonkey (also Mozilla) and it works perfectly well despite the warning "FOR FIREFOX ONLY"................
I don't have an icon but an additional line in the tools

You can then customize it with the add-ons mentioned in post #44 (for reference https://techpatterns.com/forums/about304.html), allowing you to choose different variants

And it works well with LBC, I no longer have the warning saying that I need to update Windows and (so far!) the site is working, in June ?????
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Internovice Posted messages 237 Status Member 12
 
User novice on WinXP who absolutely does not want to change except for ABSOLUTE NECESSITY

As advised:
• I downloaded the resource: "user_agent_switcher-0.7.3-fx+sm.xpi"
• I installed it via Firefox, probably with a version around 35 (just by doing "open with" Firefox.exe)

After some fiddling, I managed to modify the user agent in favor of one similar to Win8 (well in all respects) found on Wikipedia

Since this manipulation, the pop-up window indicating that LBC would not accept me anymore as of June 1st no longer appears

What seems strange is that the aforementioned pop-up window no longer appears under Opera either?? which is good news for me as I had just recently upgraded to this browser which I find easier to use than Firefox

I look forward to June 1st

I agree with those who think that LBC is meddling in what doesn't concern it by banning the use of WinXP (*)

(*) These stories of supposed "endangering your computer" are largely bogus, you just need to
• be cautious when browsing anywhere
• have a good firewall (as basic and easy to use as possible)

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ADVICE
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biggyjobo Posted messages 62 Registration date   Status Member Last intervention   15
 
Hello,

Windows XP has been around since 2001, Le Bon Coin since 2006.

It seems that Le Bon Coin has not found it sufficient to allow XP users to enjoy their services for 10 years.

I have heard web designers say that Le Bon Coin is garbage in terms of visual quality... This year, Le Bon Coin has revamped its site and invested in the comfort of its visitors. Okay, it's not amazing, but it remains: SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE, and FREE.

Should we now initiate a procedure?

If the PC no longer meets the recent developments that Le Bon Coin has INVESTED in, maybe your laptop will suffice? There is a Le Bon Coin application.

Unless, of course, you don't want to part with your old rotary phone either.

Best regards.
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GENIA
 
LBC continues its undermining work!
I suppose it's reserved for those who stand up to them by still daring to use W XP.
Here is their latest find: if you want to view a page retrieved from their site and saved on your computer, as soon as you click on the address, you see the page normally for a second and then a black veil overlays it, making it very difficult to see what is behind it.
This phenomenon also occurs on the site itself when you enlarge a photo.
I thought for a moment that my ad-filtering software was responsible, but after deactivating it, nothing changed.
They are super sneaky in the IT team of this site, looking for ways to neutralize those who disturb them, but in a way that leaves as few traces as possible... even resorting to peddling malware if necessary.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
The black veil thing, I tend to lean more towards a JavaScript issue that doesn’t work well locally (once saved on the hard drive) rather than malware.
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GENIA > Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention  
 
OK, but this phenomenon only appears on the pages of the site in question and not on others.................... strange, strange...
As for the obsolescence of my OS, that's resolved: I have updates all the time!
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jns55
 
Because you think that the LBC developers have time to spare playing around and ruining the lives of certain users? Let's be serious, they couldn't care less that there are still users on XP, they couldn't care less. The reality is that your system is outdated and you will face more and more difficulties because the system and the software are no longer keeping up!
Yet you were warned...
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GENIA > jns55
 
Your opinion is your own! Who cares about whom? Who's indifferent?
You know nothing. You'd do well to take a step back and look around at this whole system that alienates you and makes you believe you must always chase after the latest trends. Multimedia overconsumption (like in other areas) only benefits a minority of people. Ask yourself where all this waste and pollution is going. If the most disadvantaged populations can't make do with old operating systems for simple computing tasks.
Is my system obsolete? Has it become fragile and dangerous? So what, that’s my problem and my responsibility! I don’t ask anyone to fix it.
For now, I have constant updates.
LBC is in a bubble of advertising inflation (greed oblige). We are just in a bubble that will soon burst. You don't seem to imagine the perverse world of marketing and what the authors of the lowly tasks we witness every day are capable of.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215 > jns55
 
They couldn't care less that there are still XP users, they couldn't give a damn.

If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t have deliberately blocked features for XP users. Since there is no technical reason for this blocking, a Firefox or Chrome with the same capabilities on XP, Debian, or Windows 10.
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^Abel^ Posted messages 15278 Registration date   Status Contributor Last intervention   6 926
 
Hello,
It’s LBC that has just opened the ball!
Although having SP3, it orders all users to "update themselves"!!!

Hummm... Are you sure about that?!

African proverb:
If you want to walk fast, walk alone. If you want to walk far, walk with others.
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Anonymous user
 
yes yes I'm also on
see the 2 assembled captures, one with Mozilla and the other with IE
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
Seriously, they're kind of messing with people.

I can understand the thing about the outdated browser. But for the OS, I don’t see how that concerns them and why we should change our OS if we have an updated browser.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
Hello

How did Le Bon Coin notify you about that?

And what browser are you using?

--
Light a fire for someone and they'll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. -Terry Pratchett-
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GENIA
 
FIREFOX 46.0.1 The latest existing
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GENIA
 
Unable to download the image, but you can see the screenshot here:
http://www.usinages.com/threads/windows-xp-et-leboncoin.90322/
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Anonymous user
 
Hello

Can a qualified person tell us if LBC is taking a risk by communicating with someone using an outdated OS?

Secondly, LBC may want to protect its clients by preventing them from communicating via email with an outdated OS.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 


Can a qualified person tell us if LBC is taking a risk by communicating with a person using an outdated XP?


No risk for them.


Secondly, LBC may want to protect its clients by preventing them from communicating via email with an outdated XP.


This may come from a good intention, but I maintain that my OS is none of their concern, and they have no right to artificially block features of their site just because I use an OS they don't like.
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jns55 > Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention  
 
'They shouldn't artificially block features of their site just because I'm using an OS they don't like.

It's not because they don't like XP, it's because XP is no longer secure. From the moment a PC has unpatched security vulnerabilities, it becomes a wide-open door for accessing other poorly protected (or not protected at all) PCs.
Personally, from that perspective, I understand their approach.
In any case, they are in a commercial mindset; the audience in question represents what percentage? Negligible in their eyes.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215 > jns55
 

It's not because they don't like XP, it's because XP is no longer safe. From the moment the PC has unpatched security vulnerabilities, it becomes a wide-open door to access other poorly protected (or not protected at all) PCs.


Yes, I completely agree, I'm actually one of the first to suggest a change of OS to those still using XP. But I stand firm that this is not the problem of Le Bon Coin, and it doesn't concern them.

If they warn users with a preventive message, I would understand without any issues. But for them to artificially limit their site for XP users, I find that foolish, intrusive, and infantilizing.


Anyway, they are in a business perspective; what percentage does the concerned audience represent? Negligible in their eyes.


Just like GNU/Linux users, negligible in the eyes of many. ;-)
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215
 
More information here:

https://www.numerama.com/tech/171582-1er-juin-ne-pourrez-plus-utiliser-leboncoin-windows-xp.html#commentaires

Therefore, it is the issue of user data security that concerns LeBonCoin: according to them, secure browsing is not guaranteed on their site from a computer running XP.


Okay, so it’s really a nonsense from LeBonCoin intruding into what doesn’t concern it.
--
Light a fire for someone and they will be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. -Terry Pratchett-
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Caribou-22 Posted messages 512 Status Member 114
 
Hello,
Maybe they frequently receive complaints from visitors using XP who are having difficulties on the site? If compatibility with XP gives them extra work, it's understandable that they would say stop. We can imagine anything.
In any case, Windows XP like Windows 98, etc. are obsolete, so it's best to forget them for online use.
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Pierrecastor Posted messages 10830 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   4 215 > Caribou-22 Posted messages 512 Status Member
 
If compatibility with XP gives them extra work, it's normal for them to say stop

It's not the OS that interprets and displays a site, it's the browser, and a modern browser like Firefox or Chrome will display exactly the same thing on any OS.



Anyway, Windows XP like Windows 98 etc. are obsolete, so they should be forgotten for online use.


Yes, but I still don't see how this concerns Le Bon Coin, and why they would make their site inaccessible to XP users.
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stereobic Posted messages 51 Status Member
 

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People need to step up to seek justice.
This is discrimination and a refusal of access.
Some are ready to do it, there are already a few subjects:
https://www.usinages.com/threads/windows-xp-et-leboncoin.90322/page-4

What this site Leboncoin is doing is unacceptable. We must not let such a precedent go by.

You understand that this has nothing to do with security (a simple tinkerer could bypass it, while Mr. average would be blocked). People who talk about "vulnerabilities" etc.: don’t know what they are talking about. These are recycled words that make no sense. The system layer is not concerned with browsing, nor even the browser contrary to popular belief. It’s the internet system preferences that you check that can be an entry point. Simply, older browsers and old systems allow too many parameters to block "official" trackers and other "back requests"; that’s the reality.

It is not a solution to have to mask your system and your browser with a line of code or an added plugin.
A site should simply not deprive me of access for obscure "reasons." Everyone is free to buy the system they want (I have several depending on my needs) that’s not the issue (and it’s no coincidence that many still use XP)...

Unfortunately, it’s also true that the other site Vivastreet clearly does not do what it takes to compete with Leboncoin, that’s quite incomprehensible as well... But after all, it’s not illegal for Leboncoin to pay Vivastreet to “remain as is.”

What is illegal is Leboncoin's position.
I truly hope that people will take action.

It’s like if certain cities were paid by a car brand to prevent entry to other brands! Where are we going?!
In any case: it’s illegal.
And it could set a precedent: action must be taken.


(and by the way: Leboncoin are really bastards, I didn't expect this).
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jns55
 
It is discrimination and a refusal of access.
False, you will still be able to access the site without a problem, but some features will not be available.

You understand that this has nothing to do with security.
Well, yes, that's exactly it, or you don't understand what the end of updates for Win XP implies.

It is not a solution to have to hide your system.
I completely agree.

Anyway: it is illegal.
Which article of law are you basing this on to affirm that?

And this could set a precedent: action is needed.
The next one is Windows Vista, it's already planned...
http://windows.microsoft.com/fr-fr/windows/lifecycle

I would add that you can easily and freely bypass all these problems by installing a free operating system like GNU/Linux to replace XP...
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GENIA
 
OH help!
LBC keeps chasing me, even though I've set a User Agent with a different version of recent Windows!!!!
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Internovice Posted messages 237 Status Member 12
 
Something should be sold on LBC to attract attention

--
What didn't work ... won't work
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