The Web-Infopreneur Club Scandal
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Since July 6, the day I paid €58, I still haven't received anything. No ebook, no tool, nothing.
I have written several times to assert my rights.
Here is the content of the last email I sent on the 22nd.
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Gentlemen.
Your silence and empty promises are no longer acceptable.
To remind you (history)
- On July 6, at the opening of your Web-Infopreneur Club, I paid €58 to join.
- On July 9, having received nothing in return, I sent an email. On the same day, I received an email from Mr. ... telling me not to worry.
- On July 16, still without any response, I requested a refund from Mr. Elloualidi as promised in your sales commitments.
- Without any reply, on July 20, I wrote to Messrs. ..., ..., and ... to get their opinion since they are part of the Web-Infopreneur Club staff. I was told that it was not normal and that I would be contacted for a refund that evening or by July 21 at the latest.
- Today is July 22 and I still have no response.
I have learned that other people are in the same situation as me (see C. Godefroid's Positive forum).
I inform you that, tired of your disrespect towards me, if within 24 hours, meaning by July 23 before midnight, I do not see a refund of €58 in my PayPal account, I will copy and paste this email on the main forums.
I smile when I read on your sales page that the most important aspect of the club is listening.
Consider this a warning.
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... and ... responded to express their powerlessness (which is of no help to me)
... and ... the founders of the Club have not deigned to respond.
After Web 2.0, here comes Silence 2.0.
Francis
I have written several times to assert my rights.
Here is the content of the last email I sent on the 22nd.
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Gentlemen.
Your silence and empty promises are no longer acceptable.
To remind you (history)
- On July 6, at the opening of your Web-Infopreneur Club, I paid €58 to join.
- On July 9, having received nothing in return, I sent an email. On the same day, I received an email from Mr. ... telling me not to worry.
- On July 16, still without any response, I requested a refund from Mr. Elloualidi as promised in your sales commitments.
- Without any reply, on July 20, I wrote to Messrs. ..., ..., and ... to get their opinion since they are part of the Web-Infopreneur Club staff. I was told that it was not normal and that I would be contacted for a refund that evening or by July 21 at the latest.
- Today is July 22 and I still have no response.
I have learned that other people are in the same situation as me (see C. Godefroid's Positive forum).
I inform you that, tired of your disrespect towards me, if within 24 hours, meaning by July 23 before midnight, I do not see a refund of €58 in my PayPal account, I will copy and paste this email on the main forums.
I smile when I read on your sales page that the most important aspect of the club is listening.
Consider this a warning.
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... and ... responded to express their powerlessness (which is of no help to me)
... and ... the founders of the Club have not deigned to respond.
After Web 2.0, here comes Silence 2.0.
Francis
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Hello Francis,
I was treated the same way as you by the founders of web infopreneur.
I paid 637 euros for the year and haven't heard anything since.
I contacted PayPal dispute service, and if that’s not enough, I will file a complaint.
I have a request for you, as now the site is marked as malicious by my antivirus, could you please share the email addresses of the people you contacted so that I can reach out to them too?
It might be interesting for us to come together to have more leverage.
What do you think?
Sony-
I created a web page that tells the story.
Currently, there are 4 of us in the same situation, not counting those who are not reported.
I invite you to write to me on the page I created at www.pc-secours.com/cwi.htm
We will group together to inform in order to prevent this scam from continuing and think about a common action.
I don't know if I can post email addresses here. You can get the names by writing to me, and I will refer you to the page that exposes the scam.
Francis- Hello Francis,
I hope you will receive this message.
I think I am in the same situation, as I was contacted by this gentleman Jimmy on Elance.com (a job site). Apparently, he was looking for a long-term English-French translator. I passed a test, he was pleased, we agreed on the price and... I completed a translation in less than 5 days (a rather tight deadline, given the large number of words to translate). During these 5 days, we chatted on chat, email - he seemed like a good guy, trustworthy. But after I sent him the translation, I haven’t heard from him again (it's been over 8 days now) - no response on chat, email.
I tried to access the site you designed - www.pc-secours.com/cwi.htm, but I received this message: "The conflict has been resolved since the people who had grouped together have been refunded. The page was no longer useful."
Do you know how I could contact this scammer, as you say - I would really like to tell him everything I think of him.
Looking forward to your response,
best regards,
Simone
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Hello everyone,
I just wanted to point out that I am Eric B. and I am
truly sorry for what happened to you.
Yes, indeed, I am officially part of this team, but
only the project initiator, Jimmy Elloualidi, had control
of the site and the emails.
I only participated by providing my courses to complete
the training, nothing more.
Jimmy justified himself by saying that he went to the hospital for a
health issue. But he only explained this to us after
disappearing for more than 10 days!!!
The other partners of this site are just as powerless as I am
in this situation!
When Jimmy returned from the hospital, he told us he would take care of everything.
After I expressed my concerns about his lack of seriousness, he
seems to have disappeared again without refunding
any members.
Outraged and disgusted by this unscrupulous guy, I am completely withdrawing
from this site, which I believe will never see the light of day!
I have resigned and contacted my legal service to enforce my decision
against this Jimmy.
I completely understand that you are also disgusted.
But the only person responsible is this Jimmy, who seems
to not share the same values of respect for others as I do.
Since my decision to leave this unfortunate association, I know that ..., he too has decided to forget about this Jimmy and his site.
If you have not been refunded, yes, you can file a complaint, especially if
you are in France, it will be easier, but only against this
..., who is the only one to have received your money into his Paypal account.
First, make a request on Paypal.
Thank you for your understanding and believe in my devoted feelings.-
Hello Eric,
I hope you receive this message.
My name is Simone, and I am from Romania.
I think I am in the same situation because I was contacted by this man Jimmy on Elance.com (a job site). Apparently, he was looking for a long-term English-French translator. I took a test, he was happy with it, we agreed on the price, and... I completed a translation in less than 5 days (a pretty tight deadline, considering the large number of words to translate). During those 5 days, we chatted via chat and email - he seemed like a good, trustworthy guy. But after I sent him the translation, I haven't heard from him anymore (it's already been over 8 days) - no responses on chat or email.
Do you know how I could contact this scoundrel? I would love to tell him everything I think of him.
Looking forward to your response,
best regards,
Simone -
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LISTEN TO ME ALL OF YOU, PLEASE:
Here it is, NEVER and I mean NEVER, under any circumstances as tempting as they may be, engage with the types of people promoting:
- Info-products
- Foolproof techniques to win money at casinos
- Foolproof techniques to make money in Forex
- Methods to make money, period!
Everyone has access to the web, and if all these methods worked then everyone would have had the chance to become rich, but have you ever seen or heard of even a single person who made a living online? Except for those so-called probability experts and info-marketers? (Of course, they have, since they are scamming you).
I warn you, this is just a vast network of scams. I’m not saying you can’t make a little money, but in the long run it means nothing!
So be careful…-
Why do you amuse yourself by generalizing, "anti-entrepreneur"?
Sorry for you, but apparently it didn't work out for you, but know that there is really a possibility to create real income online, contrary to your beliefs.
This site of the Web Entrepreneur Club was certainly organized by a scammer, because there are scams everywhere, in every field, did you know that? Have you never encountered an dishonest merchant?
It's a shame for the victims, but that doesn't mean all merchants are thieves!
Your view of life seems simplistic to me...
I deny it! I know many honest people who make a living from their website, in various fields and topics, and I am one of them.
But I'm not asking you to change your mind, I just can't let you write your moralizing message, as if you knew the Truth! :) while it's completely false.
I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience for sure, but please do not generalize and do not spread your negative and reductive thought patterns online, please. For what purpose, or what interest do you have in writing such things? Have you informed yourself?
How do you think the managers of this site Commentçamarche.net organize the site? With the money you make them by surfing on it and clicking on ads! And they earn a lot!
Please stay open-minded, and especially open your eyes and do not generalize too quickly, please! :)
As for methods to make money with luck, forex or "how to make money with emails", or even casino methods, I agree with you, the vast majority are pure wastes of time if you're looking to generate serious income, and you have to be a bit naïve to think these systems will make money. :)
But it is entirely possible to create honest online businesses, and there are plenty! Fortunately.
And there are excellent training programs to learn how to create one, but success does not always depend on who sells you the "method" but also on your work capacity and motivation, just like in any business, in any field.
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Obviously, the Internet is a goldmine for making money (Ebay, Google, etc...). What I mean is that you need to have the idea that will create the buzz! And that, a scammer won't teach you.
I'm not willing to pay 300€ for a course to learn how to create a page in HTML.
The most important thing is the idea! I am myself a webmaster of a site.
I have lowered my language to the human being who, in 98% of cases, will skim over this message and this will prevent them from losing money, because most people will type "Become rich" and fall for a scam!
Either we have a concrete idea and we fight for it to be recognized, or we find something else.
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Hello,
For my part, infopreneurs and infopreneurship, as they like to call it, is just a vast network of people cemented together and destined to scam the biggest pigeons.
You see, I conducted my investigation and, without naming names, a person X who offers you to become super rich and live off their job on the web turns out to be an author of a suck-up comment on another scam site.
You know, the thing that promises you to get rich for €35 and never sends you your Ebook, which is anyway just a bunch of banal documents.
Anti-Infopreneur is absolutely right; when you Google "making money," you find 100% of the links completely related to affiliate marketing (scamcasino.com), email sales, and other infopreneur nonsense (thanks, Quebec).
It is certain that one can create a site that has success like this one, as long as you are a pioneer in the field !!!!
Today, opportunities are running out. Is it worth the effort to conduct an investigation for several months (years?) to detect the needs of internet users? It's up to you to decide if you are ambitious enough to dive into the web!
Conclusion: An infopreneur is nothing more than a webmaster who knows how to profit from their site. Scammers use it everywhere. Find a good idea. The rest is just a walking nonsense.
PS: Sir, if you are so sure of what you are saying and you feel honest, then why do you feel targeted and judge the previous message as "moralizing"? Do you have something to hide then? Haha... I'm chuckling softly!
Long live life, long live normal jobs! -
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Yes, I have nothing to add on that!
Everyone does what they want anyway, let's stop judging each other unnecessarily, the world will be better for it, right?
I believe this conversation is rather sterile and won't advance anyone here. :)
Surf on to another page, it will be more interesting! :-) -
Hello everyone,
Meanwhile... there's no point in trying to convince the most skeptical people...
I used to be one of them, seeing scams everywhere whenever someone talked to me about making money online...
Then I lost my job in early 2009 and found myself unemployed.
I then decided to invest at my own risk in a training program costing €197 per month to become an infopreneur, with huge doubts...
Well, I can tell you today that after a year and a half and learning this new profession diligently... I'm making about €400 to €500 a month by working only twenty hours a week in this newly learned field...
I've understood that if I work harder in this direction, I could easily earn more in the coming months, even much more, but I sometimes admit to being a bit lazy; I tend to get distracted while learning or earning money here and there, always online, and I spend quite a bit of time training with tutorials or courses, both free and paid, all from home...
One of my contacts (and now a friend) who started at the same time as me but dedicated over 10 hours each day is now earning over €25,000 every month regularly... You read that right! Five years ago, he was still on welfare, but he already had a tremendous untapped writing talent back then...
In conclusion, I would say that we shouldn't lump everyone together and that any business requires at least some investment in training before you know how to do anything. I don't specifically know this Ericbarz, but I particularly understand the message he wants to convey and now fully agree with him, having grasped the infopreneur (or internet publisher in French) profession.
As we say in France, "only fools never change their minds"... Keep your feet on the ground... Educate yourself... Work... Don't let yourself be scammed (this Jimmy and this Jérémy are good examples of scammers/crooks, unfortunately, and every day new scams crop up), and before repeating word for word what you've read here or there, and before having tested or learned different methods, to make money online or thanks to the Internet, don't criticize... Because it's worthless and serves no purpose other than to scare people without knowledge, creating misinformation...
On the other hand, based on my experiences, I fully agree that paid emails, casinos, and forex are worthless and a waste of time and money... and yet they represent 80% of ads in this field on the internet... it's quite regrettable...
Only network marketing, infopreneurship, affiliate marketing, and advertising allow you to make money legally online, while registering as a self-employed person to start (which I did) with the APE code APE 4799B for example.
Have a nice day.
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Hello everyone =)
I believe we shouldn’t generalize.
There are tons of scams just like there are tons of commercial websites that work.
Getting rich quickly... That’s complete nonsense.
On the other hand, working (no matter the field) can help you become wealthy.
Being an infopreneur can also help you get rich. But as usual, you need to educate yourself....
On copywriting, sales techniques, knowing how to create a website to generate income, understanding Adwords, etc....
So of course, there are sites that claim you can make money by buying an ebook for €50. But those people have solid marketing training...
Let’s not kid ourselves.
But it is possible.
And it's true that online, the opportunities are much greater, especially since a good part of the work is automated. (of course, ONCE the work is done)
We need to stop seeing scams everywhere. There are, and there have always been and always will be.
It's up to you to verify the information, etc...
I’ll give you an example. Internet Fortune 101 (I’m not promoting it, it’s just an example, so please don’t delete my message)
So when seeing the site, one might think it’s a scam. But if you apply the methods, you can make money.
For example, if you do affiliate marketing for Meetic, they pay you €8 per registration!
And that’s not a scam; it’s concrete! So knowing that you need to create a mini-site, have an autoresponder, and know how to write emails that entice your prospects to sign up is essential.
And it’s up to you to know how to advertise for that!
But again, all this is learnable! So you can either learn it on your own, which will take you years, or buy certain methods to save time.
After all, it’s all a matter of perseverance as always.
Personally, I bought the previously mentioned ebook and I made some money...
If so many companies do affiliate marketing (Apple, Meetic, Norton, etc.), it’s perhaps because it brings them money; otherwise, they wouldn’t do it.
It’s up to you to be good and generate income...
Best regards,
Alexis