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claztum -  
Bonjour,

Je n'ai pas de son sur mon windows XP pro version 1985/2001
merci pour vos reponses.
Configuration: Windows XP pro version 1985/2001

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Résumé de la discussion

Problème de son sous Windows XP Professionnel avec une configuration ancienne et des messages dans le gestionnaire de périphériques suggérant une défaillance matérielle ou un pilote manquant. Plusieurs contributions recommandent de vérifier le gestionnaire de périphériques pour repérer un point d'interrogation jaune et d'évaluer si la carte son ou le contrôleur audio est correctement détecté. En pratique, des liens de pilotes et des conseils d'installation ont été partagés pour le contrôleur vidéo et le périphérique audio, avec des indications pour télécharger et installer les pilotes compatibles. D'autres éléments utiles évoquent aussi de vérifier les câbles ou enceintes externes et d'examiner les rapports d'analyse système pour confirmer l'absence de conflit matériel et orienter le choix du pilote.

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  1. aniomus
    Bonjour,

    Tu as quoi comme ordinateur ??
    1. claztum Auteur
      Bonjour

      C'est ordinateur de bureau Philips ancien modele avec tour
  2. aniomus
    Euh... juste question idiote, il n'y aurai pas de cable mini-jack, jack ou autre de débranché ?
    1. claztum Auteur
      Non, non....

      Je pense que c'est un probleme de pilote ????
  3. aniomus
    Moi aussi... C'est quoi comme enceintes ? Des enceintes intégrées dans l'écran ou l'ordi.. ou des enceintes achetées appart ?
    1. claztum Auteur
      Ce sont des enceintes achetées a part "ADVANCE SP-220B"
  6. Destrio5 Modérateur
    Salut,

    Afin d'en connaître un peu plus sur ta config', fais ce qui suit :

    ---> Télécharge et installe Everest Ultimate.

    ---> Lance-le, va dans Ordinateur puis Résumé et donne-nous le résumé. Pour prendre le résumé, utilise la fonction Rapport en haut de ton écran : Image

    PS : supprime ton adresse mail si elle apparaît dans le rapport.
    1. claztum Auteur
      salut

      Je travail avec une cle internet usb 3G, et pour telecharger Everest Ultimate il me faut 1h20
      Je fais ça pour rendre service a un ami, mais je n'ai pas le temps, désolé!
    2. Destrio5 Modérateur
      @claztumDésolé pour toi mais avec les infos que tu nous donnes, il n'est pas possible de te proposer le pilote compatible.
    3. claztum Auteur
      @Destrio5Bonjour Destrio5

      Apres un long telechargement, j'ai pu t'établirle rapport d'analyse, a voir ci-dessous

      ----[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Version EVEREST v5.00.1650/fr
      Module de benchmark 2.4.258.0
      Site web http://www.lavalys.com/
      Type de rapport Rapport rapide [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Ordinateur DH-50QSMUF8CN74
      Générateur DH
      Système d'exploitation Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
      Date 2009-04-14
      Heure 13:23

      --------[ Résumé ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Ordinateur:
      Type de système PC à interface de configuration et d'énergie avancée (ACPI)
      Système d'exploitation Microsoft Windows XP Professional
      Service Pack du système [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Internet Explorer 6.0.2600.0000 (IE 6.0 - Windows XP)
      DirectX 4.08.01.0810 (DirectX 8.1)
      Nom du système DH-50QSMUF8CN74
      Nom de l'utilisateur DH
      Domaine de connexion [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Date / Heure 2009-04-14 / 13:23

      Carte mère:
      Type de processeur AMD Duron, 1300 MHz (13 x 100)
      Nom de la carte mère ECS K7SOM (3 PCI, 1 AMR, 2 SDR DIMM, 2 DDR DIMM, Audio, Video, LAN)
      Chipset de la carte mère SiS 740
      Mémoire système [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      DIMM1: 128 Mo PC133 SDRAM (3.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) (2.0-2-2-5 @ 100 MHz)
      Type de BIOS AMI (08/28/02)
      Port de communication Port de communication (COM1)
      Port de communication Port imprimante ECP (LPT1)

      Moniteur:
      Carte vidéo SiS 315 Integrated
      Accélérateur 3D SiS 315 Integrated

      Stockage:
      Contrôleur IDE Contrôleur SiS PCI IDE
      Lecteur de disquettes Lecteur de disquettes
      Disque dur ST340810A (40 Go, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
      Disque dur TDK LoR Trans-It Drive USB Device (3 Go, USB)
      Lecteur optique GoldStar CD-ROM CRD-8520B (52x CD-ROM)
      État des disques durs SMART OK

      Partitions:
      C: (NTFS) [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Taille totale [ TRIAL VERSION ]

      Entrée:
      Clavier Clavier PS/2 PC/AT étendu (101/102 touches)
      Souris Souris Microsoft PS/2

      Réseau:
      Adresse IP principale [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Adresse MAC principale 00-00-00-00-00-00

      Périphériques:
      Contrôleur USB1 SiS 7001 PCI-USB Open Host Controller
      Contrôleur USB1 SiS 7001 PCI-USB Open Host Controller
      Périphérique USB Périphérique de stockage de masse USB

      DMI:
      Distributeur du BIOS American Megatrends Inc.
      Version du BIOS 07.00T
      Fabricant du système ECS
      Nom du système K7SOM
      Version du système 1.0
      Numéro de série du système [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Fabricant de la carte mère ECS
      Nom de la carte mère K7SOM
      Version de la carte mère 1.0
      Numéro de série de la carte mère [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Fabricant du châssis ECS
      Version du châssis 1.0
      Numéro de série du châssis [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Identifiant du châssis [ TRIAL VERSION ]
      Type du châssis Desktop Case
      Sockets mémoire (Total/Libres) 4 / 3

      --------[ Debug - PCI ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      B00 D00 F00: SiS 740 Chipset - Host-PCI Bridge [A-1]

      Offset 000: 39 10 40 07 07 00 10 22 01 00 00 06 00 20 80 00
      Offset 010: 00 00 00 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 07 20 F7 77 AA D4 E8 F0 02 35 00 00 11 C1 03 00
      Offset 060: 0A 00 00 00 B1 00 00 00 01 08 18 00 02 00 9A 00
      Offset 070: 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 8C 08 00 00
      Offset 080: 02 00 10 00 85 00 80 0B FF 0C 00 04 80 00 00 06
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 01 00 01 A8 03 11 10 00 18
      Offset 0A0: 11 A2 66 22 03 03 01 3F 00 00 02 11 A2 00 60 00
      Offset 0B0: 0F 00 41 A0 01 30 00 06 48 9C 49 DC 16 F5 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 02 00 20 00 17 02 00 10 04 03 00 00 96 96 8A BA
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D01 F00: SiS 86C201 AGP Controller

      Offset 000: 39 10 01 00 07 00 00 00 00 00 04 06 00 40 01 00
      Offset 010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 40 C0 C0 00 20
      Offset 020: E0 CF E0 CF C0 BF C0 CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00
      Offset 040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D02 F00: SiS 85C503/5513/5595/961/962/963 PCI-ISA Bridge

      Offset 000: 39 10 08 00 0F 00 00 02 00 00 01 06 00 00 80 00
      Offset 010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 040: 98 80 80 80 80 20 35 AD 10 00 00 00 11 30 04 01
      Offset 050: 11 38 02 01 62 0B 20 0B AD 2E 12 00 97 0A B6 00
      Offset 060: 05 80 8B 0B 34 C1 00 10 09 80 00 0F 10 53 83 00
      Offset 070: 01 22 00 00 00 08 00 CC 00 00 00 C0 03 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D02 F01: SiS SMBus Controller

      Offset 000: 39 10 16 00 01 00 80 02 00 00 05 0C 00 00 00 00
      Offset 010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 01 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00
      Offset 040: 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D02 F02: SiS 7001 PCI-USB Open Host Controller

      Offset 000: 39 10 01 70 17 01 80 02 07 10 03 0C 08 40 00 00
      Offset 010: 00 A0 FF CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 39 10 01 70
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 04 00 50
      Offset 040: 00 00 00 00 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D02 F03: SiS 7001 PCI-USB Open Host Controller

      Offset 000: 39 10 01 70 17 01 80 02 07 10 03 0C 08 40 00 00
      Offset 010: 00 B0 FF CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 39 10 01 70
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 00 50
      Offset 040: 00 00 00 00 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D02 F05: SiS IDE Controller

      Offset 000: 39 10 13 55 07 00 00 00 D0 80 01 01 00 80 80 00
      Offset 010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 01 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 39 10 13 55
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 040: 31 81 00 00 31 00 00 00 A8 01 E6 11 00 02 00 02
      Offset 050: 01 00 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B00 D03 F00: SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adapter

      Offset 000: 39 10 00 09 00 01 90 02 90 00 00 02 00 40 00 00
      Offset 010: 01 DC 00 00 00 90 FF CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 39 10 00 09
      Offset 030: 00 00 FC CF 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 34 0B
      Offset 040: 01 00 02 FE 03 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      B01 D00 F00: SiS 315 Integrated Video Adapter

      Offset 000: 39 10 25 63 03 00 B0 02 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 80
      Offset 010: 08 00 00 C0 00 00 EE CF 01 CC 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 39 10 25 63
      Offset 030: 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 040: 01 50 02 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 050: 02 00 20 00 07 02 00 0F 04 03 00 10 00 00 00 00
      Offset 060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
      Offset 0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

      --------[ Debug - Video BIOS ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      C000:0000 U.@.t.1.05.00 i..(.Z.n..8....IBM COMPATIBLE12/18/2001-18:51:49
      C000:0040 ..~.......9.%c....0.Zd.B..E.S.7a.d.7"...7a.d.7"...7"...7"......`
      C000:0080 `....................00@@.....3@..wwDDwwDD....[[................
      C000:00C0 .....k.t........................................................
      C000:0100 ....6.]$..R).*T.....................................}...........
      C000:0140 .....................)!...\#...e#...7!...7"...7"...7"...7"....Si
      C000:0180 S 6325/301 AGP True Color Graphics and Video Accelerator..... By
      C000:01C0 tes Video Memory,...BIOS Version 1.05.00 ..Support VESA BIOS Ex
      C000:0200 tension Ver 3.0..%..SiS.................Silicon Integrated Syste
      C000:0240 ms Corp...................6325................1.05.00...d....f`P
      C000:0280 ....:X....9......e...................@.....B......O......|..S..~
      C000:02C0 ......!........`...........2..J.S....I........................[.
      C000:0300 :.P....:Xfa.....&....... ......,.u#...........&.......B......6..
      C000:0340 ..6.....c....R......$.......Z....8P..U..7..8..Uu......7..7...X..
      C000:0380 ........7.........7........7........1...7........0..7...........
      C000:03C0 .&|...7.....7....&...r7. .u7.......#..$.g7..F...'..\7.1@..&...Q

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  7. aniomus
    Est-ce que ton moniteur est équipé d'enceintes ? Si oui, essaye avec ton moniteur pour voir de quoi ça vient..
    Si ça marche avec ton moniteur et pas avec tes enceintes, y a un problème à ce niveau
    1. claztum Auteur
      Il n'y a pas d'enceintes sur le moniteur c'est un ancien modele, a l'époque il falait des enceintes
    2. aniomus
      @claztumTu n'as pas un autre ordi pour tester tes enceintes ou es-tu aller voir du côté du Panneau de config ?
      Je sais pas trop ce que pourrais être le problème.. ^o)
  8. pepito10
    salut,

    pas de carte son dans ce rapport.

    as tu des points d'interrogations jaunes dans le gestionnaire de périphériques ?

    clic-droit sur le "Poste de travail" puis choisir "Propriétés" 'onglet "Matériel" puis cliquer sur le bouton "Gestionnaire de périphériques"
    1. claztum Auteur
      salut

      Oui, j'ai un point d'interogation dans "autres peripheriques" ---> "controleur video"
    3. pepito10
      @claztumtu n'as pas de contrôleur audio dans le gestionnaire ? ou un périphérique inconnu ?
  9. Destrio5 Modérateur
    Voici le pilote :
    http://eudownload.ecs.com.tw/dlfileecs/driver/mb/sound/cmedia/973x/uda035_w2kxp.zip
    1. claztum Auteur
      bonjour

      a quel endroit faut-il ouvrir les pilotes "Audio" et "video" ? merci de me repondre.
  10. Destrio5 Modérateur
    C'est-à-dire ?
    1. claztum Auteur
      bonjour
      Dans quel endroit dois-je ouvrir les dossiers "audio" et "video"
      Dans menu demarrer
      Dans disque dur C:\
      Dans Windows ??????
  11. Destrio5 Modérateur
    Tu les installes tout simplement.
    1. claztum Auteur
      cette reponse ne m'aide pas enormement!!!!!