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Hello,  I bought a JVC HD camcorder with 120GB of disk space. It creates MTS files that I can read directly with VLC player or through a player that came with the camcorder. However, the files are not readable directly on an LCD TV via USB or disk connection.  I tried converting with the provided software, but it significantly reduces the size and quality of the video, I haven't found anything conclusive and quick for the conversions.  However, I film in UXP quality,   If I film in XP MODE, will it be directly readable on an HD LCD TV? Or in SP mode? But I might have a better HD quality??  I'm actually looking to play my videos directly on an LCD TV without spending hours converting the files.  Thank you for the information...  jdawson

ziggourat · Accepted Answer

Well, based solely on this Samsung television, it seems to be able to read many types of files: https://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-SAMPS43E450-SAMSUNG-PS43E450.htm I suppose without having verified it, that it should be the same for other models of this brand, with some differences depending on the series. In any case, on this model, MTS files seem to be recognized but perhaps not all...  So, to "convert correctly," we try to maintain the characteristics of the original file as much as possible. To determine these, you can use for example MediaInfo.  Then in XMedia Recode, there are a large number of predefined profiles under the Format tab. I notably saw profiles for Samsung televisions in MKV. If the default bitrate value indicated at 2000 Kbps seems too different from that of your file, it is possible to modify it to increase it. This is to simplify that this value affects the visual rendering. If you film in UXP ("the best"), then your file should have a bitrate around 24 Mbps or 24000 Kbps and likely be 1920x1080 (?). This is closer to the values of files traditionally in 1080p. You can also try the profiles for the PS3 which give files in MP4 I believe by changing or not the video bitrate value. You can, if you want, customize a profile yourself. And always with this software, it is possible to copy the video and/or audio streams to only change the Container. This last operation should normally be quite quick and not degrade the file. Of course, all this depends on the types of files read by your television through your "server," which seems to be specially designed for televisions of this brand.  If you can read files in M2TS, besides XMedia Recode or XviD4PSP, you can also try TSMuxer which can also create TS files (video codec H264/AVC) for example. Avidemux seems to also be an option as well as Quick Media Converter which was among my favorite software under XP or even Free HD Converter if it accepts your MTS files, I don't remember... There are others... Too bad you don't have access to WLMM for WMV HD files but well, that's not a big deal ;-) For the software, check the videohelp site, you should find them there, I think.  The problem is knowing which containers will be recognized, and sometimes it doesn't always work as I can see on my Philips television which oddly does not recognize certain types of files like MPG I believe.  I think that in MP4, MKV probably and TS or M2TS it should work. These are the most common containers for HD files.  I don't know if my message is very coherent... blame the fatigue. I think it's time for me to go to bed... Good night ;) -- Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will grow up ~

ziggourat · Answer

Hello,  What is your operating system?  I’m sharing the Google translation of what is on the JVC website in English, here (no idea if this concerns your camcorder or not): http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/support.jsp?pageID=1&item=34 "What is the difference in quality between European Parliament, SP, XP, and UXP? Are they all HD recording modes?  The difference is the bit rate they use. EP is the lowest at 5Mbps. UXP is the highest at 24 Mbps. SP is 12Mbps. XP is 17Mbps. The bit rate affects how clean the image is, especially in scenes where there is movement. Generally speaking, with HD, it is advisable to choose the best quality. HD video recorded in EP, SP, or XP can be recorded on a DVD-R. HD video recorded in UXP cannot be recorded on a Blu-ray disc. For most people, the XP mode is a good choice."  As for whether your files will be readable on your LCD television, how do you expect us to answer if we don’t know what types of files are readable! Check the user manual of your device; it should be indicated there. Alternatively, leave the model of the TV... and that of your camcorder, it could always be useful for potential respondents.  To convert your MTS files (in Blu-rays, the files are M2TS), you can use WLMM (Vista, Windows 7) if your television reads WMV HD, or XMedia Recode which offers many parameter choices, for example. Also, take a look at TSMuxer if necessary. If your OS is not Windows, you'll have to see which other software might be suitable...  Best regards Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will grow up ~

jdawson · Answer

Hello Zigourrat  My TV is a very recent Samsung FULL HD I connected it to the PC via a network cable, and I'm watching my DIVX videos through the cable connection using the PC Share Manager software  For playable videos, AVI, classic DIVX, JPG for images, you can also connect a USB stick  For the camcorder, MTS files are playable on the PC directly with VLC, but when I use PC Share Manager on the TV, I can see my video folder but the MTS files are invisible, and if I rename them, they become visible but unplayable; the TV does not recognize the MTS  My system is XP Pro,  So I either convert my files to AVI HD or not to view them on the TV, or on a USB stick at someone else's place with a similar TV, or I try filming in XP SP to see if they are still MTS files (most likely) and if I could play them directly on my TV But as I write this, I doubt lol because I don’t think the format changes in the camcorder based on your video choice  Thanks for your software .. I note all that  Excuse me, but I have to go, it's going to burn on the other side lol  Thanks  jdawson

jdawson · Answer

Hello again  I loaded XMedia Recorder.. it converts but loses quality  for example, I have 154 MB in MTS and 22 MB at the end, but the quality is really degraded  What do you think?  The goal isn't necessarily to save space but to play the files on HD TVs that we can connect a disk or USB stick to..

pacal · Answer

with the scope reference, otherwise there should be a mini HDMI that you connect to your TV, then you put the scope in playback mode and you see your movie on your TV. Otherwise, it comes with "mediabrowser" which allows you to save your movie in UXP format on your PC (Windows), which as "ziggourat" says is the best definition. There you go.

jdawson · Answer

Hello to both of you   I'm replying quickly because I'm at work,  thank you both for your messages, I'll read Zigourra's message slowly lol  for the program, I tried yesterday the mp4 profiles but I didn't touch the bitrate or anything..  it goes from 154 MB in HD to 20 MB in mp4 but I'm unsure about the quality  I was saying (it's silly but oh well) the goal (see Pascal) isn't necessarily to reduce the file size but simply not having to plug the camcorder into people's TVs to watch my vacation videos, because when the 120 GB disk is full, I'll need to do something,  I saved it by connecting the camcorder via USB and going to my PC disk, my raw mts videos.. (for info I didn't go through the camcorder menu for this operation, I don't know if there's a difference) but I did it like a USB stick, I went to copy the mts file from where it is on the camcorder to the PC..   As I was saying, putting my videos in another format or container and then on a USB drive or stick so that I have them on me and can connect them to a recent TV or PC to play them..   To be complete, if I play on another PC, it just needs to have the latest version of VLC to play the mts directly (that way we don't lose anything) but if you don't have access to the PC where you're going to avoid putting any junk (lol, paranoid) and you want to stream directly to the TV, I absolutely need another format or container to be visible on the TV, that's just what I want... the file size is secondary but important in the sense that I still don't want low-quality video.. if I could just change the container while keeping the HD, that would be perfect   there you go   thanks again   jdawson

ziggourat · Answer

Unlike a computer where you can read almost any type of file as long as the configuration allows (graphics card and codec), with a recent television you may face various constraints. The USB port might only accept the FAT 32 file system, for which the maximum file size is 4 GB. The types of files that could be compatible can vary from one brand to another for different televisions. I would tend to say that files with the H264/AVC video codec would be universal since it is the one used by HD TNT, as well as MPEG-2 used by SD TNT. As for containers, MP4, MPG or MPEG, AVI, and probably MKV, or TS/M2TS (TS is often used by TNT recorders) are likely to be readable. There may be others that I haven't thought of.  From there (I could be wrong too!), you will probably need to reduce the video bitrate or film differently for your videos to be read via the USB port or HDMI, which would be better for HD in 1080p. To give you an idea, for a 4 GB file, you can have a duration of less than 30 minutes at 24/25 Mbps (TS, M2TS, MP4, or MKV), around 3 hours with roughly 3000 Kbps (AVI thus XviD/DivX*), and less than 2 hours approximately with a bitrate of 4500 Kbps. This is to be verified; I'm not very strong in calculations... I deduce that your 154 MB file in UXP should have a duration of about 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Am I right or not? In terms of resolution, I think you can go from 1080p to 720p; people watching the files won't really see the difference. If you just want to change the extension, the manual method (F2) might work; otherwise, in XMedia Recode, you need to check the copy boxes under the video and audio tabs, for example.  The best option is of course to keep the characteristics of your original file, so go through your camcorder or use editing software (which is necessarily paid) that requires a relatively "beefy" configuration to process AVCHD files. Or just not use the UXP mode, but rather the intermediate XP mode or even the SP mode (this will effectively mean using the camcorder as if it were simply DV), which will likely be easier to process.  I'm not here to tell you which "format" you should choose (try using a bitrate around 4000/45000 Kbps in H264; after that, it will depend on the duration of your video), but just to indicate some options to consider. Personally, for my LCD televisions or not, I almost always encode in AVI (XviD or DivX) or in DVD-Video for movies for the home DVD player, but I sometimes make a few files in MP4 at 720p. I don't own a camcorder (I mainly handle files from TNT recordings) but I know a bit about conversion.  Your way of importing files onto your machine isn't the most orthodox, but if it works and suits you, that's great ;)  I'll leave you two links to sites you can check for information, the first being more focused on video editing: - http://www.gypsevideo.fr/ - (read the tutorials): https://www.avcesar.com/  * DivX or XviD codecs can be configured in HD, allowing you to exceed the 4500 Kbps limit with the simple profile, but this codec is said to be destructive. For MPEG-2 (used in DVD-Video), you can go up to 9000 Kbps (8000 Kbps is often sufficient) in a simple profile, otherwise, you need to switch to MPEG-2 HD or HDV, I believe. -- Long live Bobo! ~ A little fish will grow big ~

jdawson · Answer

Hello Zigoura  My file is 51 seconds long lol in uxp, with your advice I'm testing in mp4 with a bitrate of 24000 just to see the file size, and if it works on the TV and the quality, then I'll see if I can lower it a bit to save some space it's currently processing but the finished file is already 24 MB with less than 10% done... I think it's going to be over 100 MB total, which is better then I'll check the result and we can discuss it  let me know a good bitrate because with 24000 in uxp you're in HD apparently, I don't want to lose too much  I'm currently learning about video, I'm super new at this  my goal is to make my best videos so they can be played anywhere on anything lol (recent HD LCD TV)  I'll keep you posted  thanks  jdawson

jdawson · Answer

Well, I'm back   So, I converted the file to AVI with MP4 AVC H.264 video codec... MP3 for audio  and a bitrate of 24000  The file is 154 MB and it works on the HD TV without stuttering and with good quality  But on the PC with VLC, it's glitchy   So, two options: either I keep it like this and watch my raw files on the PC and in AVI on my TV or at my friends' places,   Or I lower the bitrate according to your opinion, and it should work better on the PC and the TV while still being acceptable   Thanks for your input   jdawson

ziggourat · Answer

Welcome to the club of video enthusiasts ;) While reading articles is often informative, especially for basic theoretical concepts, nothing replaces the tests you conduct yourself.  In terms of transcoding, the higher the bitrate (the amount of information transmitted per second), the "better" the visual output. I'll leave you with a few small concepts regarding the different codecs based on the "quality" of the generated file. - A movie weighing approximately 700 MB in DivX/XviD has a bitrate of roughly 950 Kbps. The goal in using this type of codec is of course to fit even long movies into minimal space. For films longer than two hours, to preserve the visual quality, we prefer to set a higher bitrate value, around 1500 Kbps. - On a DVD-Video (commercial DVDs) created with the MPEG-2 codec, the bitrate can go up to a maximum of 9800 Kbps. The resolution also adheres to specific standards, being 720x576 in PAL. This explains why most commercial films are on DVD-9. On average, the bitrate hovers around 6000 Kbps, allowing a film to fit on a standard DVD-5. The use of MPEG-2 can be a good alternative if the objective is to burn, thus creating DVD-Videos. - The DV or Digital Video. One hour of video weighs 13 GB. This is the type of format that was used before the recent advent of AVCHD among camcorders. The "quality is relatively good," but the major issue is that the resolution must be 720x576 in PAL. - The HDV (MPEG-2 "HD"), see here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV - The HD or rather AVCHD. Its advent is relatively recent in consumer camcorders. While the visual output is incomparable, it nonetheless requires fairly powerful computers (i7, or even i5 in 64-bit) to process the files which are heavy. In terms of bitrates, your camcorder provides an idea of the values with 3 modes: 12/13000 Kbps or 13 Mbps, 17 Mbps (this is likely the mid-value in 720p), and the top is 24 Mbps. If we compare with Blu-ray, it could be said that 4 hours of video corresponds to 50 GB if I'm not mistaken.  Now in terms of re-encoding, you are the best judge of what suits you. I can't be in your place, and while I might consider a bitrate of 5000 Kbps to be more than enough for me, it may not be high enough for you. In this domain, it is all a matter of compromise between what one wants and what one can achieve. Therefore, it is essential to conduct tests with different settings to ascertain what is acceptable for you. Ideally, while it's better to maintain the original values, one sometimes has to re-encode to make a file readable. One thing else you might consider: it might seem a bit foolish to film at the best quality if in the end, you're going to degrade your file. Unless, of course, you're keeping your original files to transform them "identically" (direct stream copy) on your computer's hard drive. It is often recommended, by the way, to have a separate hard drive to store video files that can be very large in AVCHD 1080p. All this is to say that you can try filming in a different mode with your camcorder.  Just passing by, I don't know how your files are stored on your camcorder's hard disk. They may be split into 4 GB files depending on the filesystem of the hard drive. This would certainly facilitate the processing in video editing, in my opinion.  Non-exhaustive sources: - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9bit_binaire#Signaux_audio_et_vid.C3.A9o - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray - https://www.avcesar.com/ - http://www.gypsevideo.fr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=141&catid=35&Itemid=84  I feel like I’m repeating the same message in different forms. Sorry if I'm not able to respond to you concretely, but I can make an effort, without being directive, to be clearer and especially less lengthy.  -- Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will grow big ~

jdawson · Answer

Hi there,  thanks for your message, I'll dive deeper tomorrow because right now I'm not feeling great lol  just so you know, I've regenerated a 30 MB AVI with a bitrate of 5000 the result with VLC works and on the TV via my network cable it works this means that if I put it on a USB stick and the stick on the TV, it will see it and it should work, in terms of quality, I have to admit that at 5000 I don't notice much difference with the original I tested at 24000 but VLC messes up in that case, so the solution is under 24000  I think I'll give it a shot with 5000 in AVI and make my files like that,  I'll put about ten at the same time before encoding the whole thing  thanks again for your patience and help  I'll read your response slowly tomorrow, I hope I'll feel better  thanks  jdawson

jdawson · Answer

Hello again  Yesterday I processed 14 files in a row, setting it to 5000 as I mentioned earlier, and not a single file is playing on the TV after 3 hours of processing... so frustrating!!!  I'm going to have to look at all of this again. I don't quite understand because the file I made with that model initially works, and it seems I made the same one yesterday, but it doesn't play anymore... unsupported video codec... I understand the error, but since it worked the day before in my test... I'm just confused now...  Anyway, I'm starting from scratch  See you later  jdawson

gej62 · Answer

Hello everyone if you are using xmedia recode and if you need information (video copy) for converting to mp4 or others, feel free to ask. best regards

jdawson · Answer

Hello gej62  As you may have read, I am a novice and without going over the entire post, I just want to encode my JVC HD camcorder files (MTS) in such a way that I can put them on a USB stick to play them on recent HD LCD TVs (Samsung for me..) this way I don't have to carry the camcorder around and especially not keep everything on the camcorder's hard drive  Thank you  jdawson

ziggourat · Answer

Hi to both of you,  gej62 knows more than I do about using XMedia Recode, so he will probably be able to help you more.  In the meantime, can you use MediaInfo to indicate the characteristics of your file, mainly the codecs or streams? Also, provide the exact model of your television so that we can find out what types of files can be played.  It is however surprising that you managed to read a test file that was re-encoded once and can no longer do so :/ -- Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will become big ~

gej62 · Answer

Hello jdawson  I have been following the post since practically the beginning. ziggourat always provides very complete and relevant information. For example, the use of media info that will give you the characteristics of your encoded files (useful when one plays and the other doesn't) so compare your two files in terms of the codec used. Are you using xmedia recode? If so, you can try this  Open xmedia recode. Insert your file to be processed. Under profile, select customize Under format, select mp4 Under codec, select MPEG-4 AVC/h264 Under audio codec, select AAC.  Click on the video tab right next to format. In the window at the bottom, check copy video Click on the green cross then encode.  The purpose of this operation is to change the container without changing the video codec. There is no re-encoding so no loss of quality and it's fast.  Try it on one of your rushes. You can also perform this operation by selecting avi or m4v as the container.  I await ziggourat's intervention.

jdawson · Answer

Hello gej62 and ziggourat  thank you for the Media Info program, I was just looking to know that to compare because yesterday I was a bit annoyed lol  for the video copy it would be perfect if we save time, I think I tried mp4 but since I don't remember, I'll try all that,  I’m taking all this calmly, and I’ll try the method with Media Info and the video copy which would only change the container,  for the cam it’s the GZ-HD520 for the Samsung TV it’s a UX5DVBEU5A type TV I don't have the exact reference but UX5DVBEU5A is the PDF file of the user manual I retrieved  that’s already some information, I'll dive back into your latest method this weekend and keep you updated  thank you  jdawson

ziggourat · Answer

According to the iManual found with the given reference, your television seems to read file formats MP4, MKV, and TS (?) for HD formats. For the television, it appears to be a Samsung model from the "4010" series (to be verified!) similar to this one, for example: https://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-SAMUE19D4010-SAMSUNG-UE19D4010.htm  Since your camcorder records in AVCHD, that would be H264/AVC, so direct stream copying might work :-) Follow the instructions from gej62, hoping that it will work.  -- Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will grow big ~

gej62 · Answer

Hello everyone I can't guarantee anything, but it's worth a try. I found this little demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7LXr_tv9Z4 (copy and paste this link on Google)  Let's not forget that xmedia recode integrates Samsung profiles. There are quite a few. By knowing the exact type of LCD, there is a strong chance of finding the right profile. Indeed, xmedia recode updates are very frequent.  So under Samsung TV in xmedia recode we find series 4, 5, 6, 7 the containers used are mp4 and mkv up to series 5, above series 6 and 7 the containers are mp4, mkv, and ts.  For ts, using ts muxer is also worth trying (no encoding)  If changing the container doesn't work, use a profile from the series then with media info insert the same characteristics (bitrate, frame rate, resolution) which requires encoding, thus a very long conversion time.  Name=Samsung TV Series 4 (mp4) Manufacturer=Samsung TV Format=mp4 ExtName=mp4  ZoomDefault=fittoscreen  V1Codec=mpeg4 V1FrameRate1=14.985 V1FrameRate2=23.976 V1FrameRate3=25 V1FrameRate4=29.97 V1FrameRate5=30 V1FrameRateDefault=25 V1Bitrate=2000 V1GOPSize=0 V1NbBFrames=2 slts

jdawson · Answer

Hello to you  I just reconnected, and I have a lot to read lol  I installed MediaInfo and I think it works with right-click and file properties, right?  I encoded in MP4 video copy with H264 in video copy; it goes ten times faster and it works perfectly. .. I connected my USB hard drive directly to my TV and my camcorder videos play directly,  normally if all goes well I can take the USB hard drive with me and plug it into other LCD TVs, I'll start at my parents' place to see  thanks to you all, anyway, tomorrow I will read your posts slowly to understand everything well,  thanks to this copy the files are almost identical in size and play directly on the TV..  Looking forward to reading from you, I've had enough for tonight, I'll reread all this tomorrow ;)  Best regards  jdawson

ziggourat · Answer

The direct stream copy works, so it's perfect in addition to being fast ;) The subject is therefore resolved for me.  Best wishes, Bye -- Long live Bobo! ~ Little fish will grow big ~

jdawson · Answer

Hello again

yes indeed, everything is working well, I plugged it in yesterday and saw right away that my videos were working,

I will be able to read through them calmly as well to learn more,

thank you again

best regards

jdawson

gej62 · Answer

Hello

"Normally, if everything goes well, I can take the USB hard drive with me and plug it into other LCD TVs; I will start at my parents' place to see."
Be careful with other LCDs; they need to have a dedicated USB port for video playback. Make sure to check beforehand. The same goes for the supported "formats."
For your tests on your LCD, you can also try TS Muxer or MKVmerge.
Cheers

jdawson · Answer

hello

ok for the other tests to be done, .. as for the USB ports yes I’m indeed thinking about the recent TV that has a USB port to read videos, my parents have a Philips with a USB port like mine, so already at their place and then we’ll see..

thanks in any case to both of you for the ideas and advice, I’ll be able to make progress and even make a DVD now (data DVD, not really a fine presentation) because with work during the day I already deal with information lol so in the evening I’m fine but not non-stop lol

thanks again

have a good day

jdawson

gej62 · Answer

Hello as Ziggurat says, "The subject is therefore resolved for me." I think it's resolved for me too. Please remember to mark this post as resolved (for others). Best wishes chtiao

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