How to get TV over the internet with SFR?

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alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member -  
alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member -
Hello,

I am on Ubuntu (Linux Mint 7 XFCE) and I would like to know if you have any ways to watch television via the internet...

For my part, I haven't been able to find the package that allows me to do this.

Do you have any leads? PS I went to the Ubuntu site and couldn't find anything that suits me.
Configuration: Linux Firefox 3.0.14

19 answers

  1. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Well, just so you know, I was on version 1.0.2-1, so it might indeed be related to the version. A version 0.9.9 corresponds to an Ubuntu Jaunty. Perhaps you should download the Karmic package here:
    https://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/karmic/mozilla-plugin-vlc

    And install it using:

    sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the/package.deb


    Otherwise, I assume that Linux Mint offers a similar mechanism to Ubuntu for upgrading to a newer version.
    http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/migration

    Good luck
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      For Karmik Koala, I think it's a bit too early...
      I'll try your method and I'll let you know.
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    2. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      That said, I am on Ubuntu Jaunty. So an upgrade to Karmic Koala... I don’t know if it’s a good option.
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  2. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    I'm not quite sure how the SFR service works, but with Orange, you connect the Orange TV box to your TV card input, install tvtime, and you're good to go. Just that in this specific case, it's not SECAM but PAL. I imagine it’s more or less the same for SFR TV if we're talking about the same kind of service.

    This, of course, presupposes that your TV card is recognized under Linux, which is a whole other story. Some time ago, I wrote a tutorial on this subject here:

    https://forums.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-37604422-configurer-sa-carte-tv-et-sa-telecommande-sous-linux

    Good luck.
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  3. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
     
    Thank you Mamiemando for your response, but I actually didn't clarify my question enough.
    It’s about watching TV on the internet without using a TV card.

    And this through my internet provider... SFR.
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  4. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Oh well, that has nothing to do with SFR then. Do you want to watch web TV? Generally, it involves going to a website and installing a plugin in your web browser.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Yes, that's exactly what I can't seem to do.
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      1. louis l'ancien > alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member
         
        Good evening Alaixih,
        I think you want to talk about the TV service on PC offered by Neuf SFR.
        All the instructions are provided here:
        http://assistance.sfr.fr/tv/Tv-PC/autre-systeme-exploitation/fc-1674-60215
        So you need to install VLC.
        Attention! This is not HD!!!
        Have fun!
        Louis
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      2. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224 > louis l'ancien
         
        Indeed, under Linux the proposed installation is a vlc.exe file.
        I already have VLC on my computer; I tried to follow the advice but it doesn't work. VLC is searching but cannot read the channels that are visible in the list of available channels. And I can't figure out why.
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  5. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Which channel are you looking to watch (website address, etc.)? Which browser are you using?

    Good luck
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      France 2 France 3 Arte. My browser is Mozilla.
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  6. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Sure, just give me the links directly because I don't really feel like browsing their site right now. :-)
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Good evening grandma and thank you for your help.

      https://tv.sfr.fr

      Here it is.....
      I wonder if the problem is related to a plugin for example or something like that...
      Indeed, while on Linux Mint it does nothing, on Xubuntu 8.04 I manage to get images after installing a Mozilla VLC plugin, but it's very, very slow and the Mozilla pages crash very, very, very often and quickly....
      In fact, to be honest, I saw an image move for about 5 seconds.
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  7. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Apparently, all you need to do is install the VLC plugin for Mozilla Firefox. By searching a bit in the package manager, you can find the corresponding package:

    (mando@aldur) (~) $ apt-cache search mozilla | grep mozilla | grep vlc mozilla-plugin-vlc - Multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC


    Here we go, all that's left is to install it:

    sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade sudo aptitude install mozilla-plugin-vlc


    We restart Firefox, and normally it should work ;-)

    Good luck!
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Uh... I did the manipulations, and I already had this plugin installed, but I installed the command line and nothing at all.

      When I arrive at the link, it says:


      You do not have the component required to view
      television on this computer.

      The installation of the SFR TV Service on PC
      will begin in a moment. Please wait...

      (if nothing happens, click here)


      Once the service installation is complete, please close
      FireFox and restart it to access the service.
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  8. takefive Posted messages 1032 Status Member 81
     
    Isn't it?
    http://www.actuneuf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=18420
    See you later
    --
    The enemy is stupid; he thinks we are the enemy when it is actually him (P. Desproges)
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  9. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    When I did the test, I just went through the package manager (aptitude) and restarted Firefox. I didn't do anything more :s I don't really see why it doesn't work for you. Try purging and reinstalling this package:

    sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade sudo aptitude purge mozilla-plugin-vlc sudo aptitude install mozilla-plugin-vlc


    Rename your current Firefox profile:

    cd ~/.mozilla mv firefox firefox_backup


    Then restart Firefox. If it doesn't change anything, to recover your old Firefox profile:

    cd ~/.mozilla rm -rf firefox mv firefox_backup firefox


    Good luck!
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      I did everything you told me to do without success.
      It seems as if I don't have VLC on my computer.
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  10. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Mmmmh. Have you updated everything? Are you using the latest version of your distribution? Can you give me the result:

    dpkg -l | grep vlc


    Good luck
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Thank you mamiemando

      dpkg -l | grep vlc
      ii libvlc2 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 multimedia player and streamer library
      ii libvlccore0 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 base library for VLC and its modules
      ii mozilla-plugin-vlc 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC
      ii vlc 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 multimedia player and streamer
      ii vlc-data 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 Common data for VLC
      ii vlc-nox 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 multimedia player and streamer (without X support)
      ii vlc-plugin-esd 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 Esound audio output plugin for VLC
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  11. corben
     
    That might be the problem...

    I haven't tried it on Ubuntu yet, but I know that on Windows (Vista/Seven and maybe XP) the VLC plugin used on the SFR TV site corresponds to VLC 0.86...

    So, if you have VLC 0.86 installed, it works, but if you install version 1.00, it doesn't work anymore...

    So I imagine it's the same on Linux, and you need to get the package corresponding to 0.86 because apt-get might be retrieving the latest version...

    Good luck!
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    1. louis l'ancien
       
      Hello,
      I think that Alaixih's issue might come from the insufficient bandwidth of his internet connection. I am using Mandriva 2010.0. I launch vlc-1.02. I go to the Media menu -> Open File in Advanced Mode -> select the "Network" tab and enter the address "https://tv.sfr.fr". It takes some time to load the playlist and it starts on FR2 (there's no TF1). We can then change channels.
      There you go, it’s very simple for me. I hope it finally works for Alaixih.
      Good luck!
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      1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224 > louis l'ancien
         
        Thank you Louis the Elder for your help.

        I have already tried this method and I have an error message http 1.1 error bad request 400.
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      2. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224 > louis l'ancien
         
        My speed is stable at 700 kB/s.
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  12. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    It's a good option, but if you don't want to migrate right away, nothing prevents you from installing a karmic package on a jaunty.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Alright... I will give it a try.
      Thank you for your precious help and for your answers that address my questions, which is sometimes rare here.
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  13. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Well, normally on the Linux forum, I keep an eye on what's happening. But I don't have time to look at all the discussion threads, so I prioritize those that aren't getting any replies (which are often quite tough).

    Don't hesitate to send me a private message to signal a discussion thread where you're not finding answers, and I'll try to respond.

    Take care.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Actually, I tried for VLC but it doesn't work:

      qoop-laptop qoop # sudo dpkg -i /home/qoop/Desktop/mozilla-plugin-vlc_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
      (Reading database... 133237 files and directories already installed.)
      Preparing to replace mozilla-plugin-vlc 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1 (using .../mozilla-plugin-vlc_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
      Unpacking the update of mozilla-plugin-vlc ...
      dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mozilla-plugin-vlc:
      mozilla-plugin-vlc depends on vlc-nox (= 1.0.2-1ubuntu2); however:
      The version of vlc-nox on the system is 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1.
      mozilla-plugin-vlc depends on libvlc2 (>= 1.0.0~rc1); however:
      The version of libvlc2 on the system is 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1.
      dpkg: error processing mozilla-plugin-vlc (--install):
      dependency problems - left unconfigured
      Errors were encountered during processing:
      mozilla-plugin-vlc
      qoop-laptop qoop #

      I will try another method.
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  14. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    Oh yes, that was to be expected, he needs more recent dependencies than the ones you already have. In particular, he needs
    - vlc-nox (= 1.0.2-1ubuntu2) while you have version 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1.
    - libvlc2 (>= 1.0.0~rc1) while you have version 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1.

    Basically, this means he needs a more recent version (karmic) than the one you already have installed (jaunty).

    Conclusion: you also need to manually retrieve these karmic packages in the same way. Normally, "dpkg -i" allows you to take all the karmic packages thus retrieved as parameters. Ideally, put these packages in /var/cache/apt/archives.

    The simplest solution might be to migrate directly to karmic...

    Good luck.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      I am using Linux Mint 7 XFCE, which means that my computer is not powerful enough to support a version like Karmic Koala or the GNU version of Ubuntu.
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  15. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    I'm under Linux Mint 7 XFCE, which means that my computer is not powerful enough to support a version like Karmic Koala...

    I don't see how Linux Mint 7 XFCE would be lighter than an Ubuntu. It doesn't seem to relate to the distribution. It's true that Ubuntu is under GNOME, which is more resource-intensive than XFCE. But you can install XFCE on Ubuntu and thus avoid loading GNOME.

    Depending on whether you want an Ubuntu installation directly intended for XFCE, GNOME, or KDE, you will respectively install Xubuntu, Ubuntu, or Kubuntu.
    http://www.xubuntu-fr.org/
    http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
    http://www.kubuntu-fr.org/

    ... or "the GNU version" of Ubuntu

    That doesn't make sense. The versions of Ubuntu would be, for example, "Jaunty Jackalope" or "Karmic Koala." GNU is a project that encompasses software like Emacs, GRUB, GCC, etc. In any Linux (whatever it is), there are certain packages installed that come from the GNU project, and others that do not come from this project. Strictly speaking, we should actually talk about GNU/Linux.
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

    Good luck
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, but I have XFCE, which means the desktop is very lightweight... For me, it's perfect....
      I don't feel that there is a reliable version of Xubuntu for Karmic Koala, which has just been released.

      Linux Mint 7 Gloria XFCE is based on Xubuntu 9.04, and the APT base is Ubuntu 9.04.....
      The advantage of Linux Mint for me is that I normally have absolutely nothing to install to watch videos online, etc., while under Ubuntu, things have not been so straightforward up till now, and I have struggled enough with it not to want to uninstall a system that I find generally satisfactory.......

      Apart from Ubuntu 8.04 and Xubuntu 8.04 (the latter still being on my computer), the 8.10 version of Ubuntu and 9.04 were clearly too heavy for my computer, meaning it really lagged... My AMD Sempron 3100+ was supported, which is no longer the case today, as it seems that drivers for this hardware are no longer provided with Ubuntu, which means that to watch DVDs on my computer with version 9.04, I can forget about it, as they say colloquially.

      Maybe my statement is not entirely correct. I apologize if that's the case, but I want to watch TV on Linux Mint XFCE and not on Karmic Koala...... Furthermore, I'm not good enough to install Karmic Koala with the XFCE desktop.....

      I said GNU, but I should have said Gnome.
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  16. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    I don't feel like there is a tested xubuntu version of karmic koala that just came out.

    Oh really?
    https://ubuntu.com/

    Linux mint 7 gloria XFCE [...]

    Oh, but that's not the issue :-) Use mint if you prefer. But normally (x)ubuntu is also user-friendly. Installing a DVD or video player is done in a few clicks (for example, by going through its package manager and installing vlc or mplayer).

    Fundamentally, mint doesn’t do much more or less than xubuntu; it's just the default installed packages and possibly a bit of configuration that differ. But the difference is hardly deeper.

    Apart from ubuntu 8.04 and xubuntu 8.04 (the latter still on my computer), versions 8.10 of ubuntu and 9.04 were obviously too heavy for my computer, meaning it was really slow...

    I understand, but since you were using gnome, if your PC is old, it’s not surprising. You just need to install the xubuntu-desktop package via synaptic, and when the login manager appears (i.e., when you enter your login and password), you would just choose simple XFCE instead of gnome. That said, feel free to use mint if you prefer. I'm just saying you could do the same thing with ubuntu and that the difference between distributions is less than you think.

    That said, I have a PC much less powerful than yours, and I run gnome and KDE4 without a problem. In my opinion, there’s something fishy going on. We should see if you have the same issue by creating a new user. We would quickly see if it comes from your user settings or from ubuntu.

    Maybe what I said isn't entirely correct. I apologize if that's the case, but I want to watch TV on linux mint xfce and not on karmic koala...... Besides, I'm not good enough to see installing karmic koala with the xfce desktop.....

    Whoa, that’s not at all the style of the house. I'm here to help people; I don’t belittle anyone, and a few years ago, I was very glad that someone took the time to explain things to me.

    To put it simply, you have different versions of ubuntu (..., hardy heron, intrepid ibex, jaunty jackalope, and today karmic koala). The more recent the version, the further along the alphabet we go. Nowadays, when you migrate to change your ubuntu version, it’s done very easily:
    http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/migration

    To switch from gnome (ubuntu) to xfce (xubuntu), it simply involves installing the right packages, just as you would install a package to install software. Under gnome, to install a package, we generally use synaptic:
    http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/synaptic

    We could also type in a terminal:

    sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop


    Then we log out of the current session (logout), and gdm appears.
    http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/gdm

    In this menu, we enter our login and password as usual, but we also choose which graphical interface to launch. At this stage, you will have both gnome and xfce installed on your machine. In this menu, you will therefore have access especially to xfce and gnome. If you were to install kde, it would also be there. In short, here we choose xfce, and of course, only xfce is launched (not gnome).

    Regardless of which graphical environment is launched (xfce, gnome, kde....), you can indiscriminately run a gnome application, kde application, or something else. Of course, if you primarily use gnome applications in an xfce environment, it’s not necessarily very efficient. Similarly, launching a kde application under gnome consumes resources.

    Once xubuntu-desktop is installed, you're free to remove gnome via your package manager. In the same way, you're free to explore the ubuntu question or drop it and work on mint.

    The only problem is that your version of mint requires a package that corresponds to a newer version of ubuntu than the one you’re basing it on.

    Good luck.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Well... I’m going to take your advice. I’ll try with another user.
      If it does the same thing, it will mean that the problem is related to Mint.

      That said, when you say that Ubuntu is user-friendly, maybe, but as far as watching INA videos on the internet or videos a bit off the beaten path, it’s not necessarily super easy. That said, with someone like you, I think it should go smoothly.

      I’m not going to cast stones at the French-speaking Linux Mint community, but what they often suggest as fixes are things I’ve already tried, or there’s no response, and as soon as it gets a bit "technical," it becomes a whole other story.

      I tried with another user, and actually, it doesn’t work any better.

      I’m going to back up my files under Linux Mint, test Xubuntu 9.10 on my computer, and then I’ll try to install it instead of Linux Mint; it’s something I know how to do, hoping I won’t have to struggle too much to install all the necessary software to browse the web, especially to watch videos.
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  17. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    That said, when you say that Ubuntu is user-friendly, maybe, but when it comes to watching INA videos online or videos a bit off the beaten path, it’s not necessarily super easy. That being said, with someone like you, I think it must go smoothly.

    In general, all the slightly tricky points are detailed on the Ubuntu documentation site. Technically speaking, Mint and Ubuntu don't do much more than Debian (which is even more "geeky"), except pre-install certain packages and preconfigure them differently.

    This is why Mint isn't necessarily much simpler; it's just that the work has been done for you :-) In cases where this isn't done by default in Ubuntu, most of the time it's detailed in the documentation. Typically, the videos you’re talking about are played in Firefox thanks to a plugin. And that's convenient because it's explained here:
    http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/firefox

    However, you might encounter specific problems with a video. I recently had someone who had an issue with videos on a VOD site. We looked into it, and eventually found the solution :-) The main thing is to give me the website address so I can do some tests.

    I'm not going to throw stones at the French Linux Mint community, but what they often suggest as troubleshooting is something I’ve already tried, or there isn’t an answer, and as soon as it gets a bit “technical,” it becomes a different story.

    In fact, some distributions are much more user-friendly than others; you already know that. It's clear that people working on "geek" distribution forums or mailing lists are often "geeks" themselves, as they’ve worked a lot in a "geek" context. Conversely, and despite all their good intentions, people who have only used user-friendly distributions haven't faced all the issues and therefore cannot answer all overly technical questions. Exactly like most Windows users when you think about it. It’s no coincidence that when things go too wrong on Windows, you're told to reinstall everything!

    Your luck is that there are many forums (yes, I wanted to use the word "many") and by asking your question in different places, on one of them, someone will have the technical level to provide you with an answer.

    I tried with another user, and actually, it doesn't work any better.

    That's normal because at this stage, regardless of which user you’re working with, the plugin isn’t installed. The story of "testing" with another user is useful when software goes haywire. Sometimes, the issue is related to how you've set it up with that particular user, and a simple way to locate the problem is to test by creating a user with a clean profile.

    I will back up my files on Linux Mint, test Xubuntu 9.10 on my computer, and then I will try to install it instead of Linux Mint; it’s something I know how to do, hoping that I won't have to struggle too much to install all the necessary software to browse the web, especially to watch videos.

    Okay, do as you wish :-) I'm not far away to help you in case of issues. The advantage of installing Xubuntu is that you’ll be able to install the version you need easily. I just hope everything goes well. By the way, if you're from Paris, there’s going to be an Ubuntu install party at the Cité des Sciences on the weekend of 28-29/11. All the information here:
    https://ubuntu-party.org/

    Good luck!
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      I installed Xubuntu but I had a small problem, I opened a new thread.
      If you could take a look, that would be great.
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  18. swed
     
    Hello,

    Just so you know, to watch the SFR webtv, you don't have to use your web browser.
    Personally, I use the "freetuxtv" app, which works perfectly.

    Best regards, Marc.
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  19. mamiemando Posted messages 33228 Registration date   Status Moderator Last intervention   7 944
     
    I installed Xubuntu but I had a little problem and I opened a new thread.
    If you could take a look that would be great.


    Send me a private message with the thread in question.
    For the TV, Swed's suggestion looks interesting, you should give it a try.

    Good luck.
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    1. alaixih Posted messages 2013 Status Member 224
       
      Thank you....
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